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Untitled[edit]

No category. --OosWesThoesBes (talk) 09:05, 13 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

The category seems to be "video games." Ukufwakfgr (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • The date of birth is wrong, as I have personally asked Daigo myself.
  • Links to the shoryuken.com website must cited, because they control the Evolution tournament.
  • There must be a citation to a reference showing Daigo's score in competitive SF4. In addition, there must be a notation showing when the score was recorded.
  • Daigo has had an extensive career in Japan, and has also produced a tournament video, as is described in the Japanese Wikipedia page.
  • There is video on YouTube showing Daigo's performance in Evolution 2004
  • There must still be links specifically to Super Turbo and 3rd Strike, even if they redirect

Ukufwakfgr (talk) 16:37, 6 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Eurogamer put up an interview with him: [1]. Also, bonus stuff at [2]. Nifboy (talk) 01:54, 29 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Proposals and stuff[edit]

Note

  • As of August 23, 2010, the contents are clean (no vandalism/troll).--OshareMajo (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • If I have time, I will merge all the contents in "Daigo in 2009." --OshareMajo (talk) 00:14, 1 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Daigo's official site began reporting Daigo's activities since August 1. --OshareMajo (talk) 08:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • On May 17, 2010, someone nominated Daigo Umehara's page for deletion. The result is "default to Keep" since it was a bad faith nomination. The (automatic generated) link above this page does NOT take you to the correct discussion page.--OshareMajo (talk) 13:30, 23 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • As proposed and no objection. We'll start calling Daigo Umehara by his surname (梅原=Umehara), because that's how we formally call someone (both in English and Japanese). His official alias is also Umehara (ウメハラ, different spelling). Also note that if you say DaiGo in Japan, Japanese people will think of DaiGo the musician first.--OshareMajo (talk) 13:40, 8 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Proposals

  • It took some time until I found the appropriate word for the Evo 2004 comeback. An editor from long time ago used "dramatic comeback" to describe it and I agree with him/her as it's not only about Daigo's skill and mental power, it's about everything that happended in that moment. The audience's reactions, the opponent, the commentator also make it special. "Dramatic" has the right degree, it's not a hyperbole and it does not lean toward opinion. I propose we should use "Daigo's Dramatic Comeback" or "2004's Dramatic Comeback" to refer to the moment.(talk) 12:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • His introduction section (the top of the page) should only contain the bests of his highlights or the reasons why he's on Wikipedia. It should give readers an overview for a quick look, or to help them decide why they should continue to read the whole article.--OshareMajo (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Basic stuff for new editors

  • Keep in mind that not all people who read the article is a gamer. Please explain things as if you are talking to random people on the streets.
  • Avoid adding something personal and irrelevant. (for example, some non-gaming related info, his casual matches, his online gaming account)
  • Avoid adding an opinion. Unless it's published by a credible related organization (or as a representative of the organization) or a credible media. Of course, citation is needed, too.
  • Avoid naming a person (or a player) if his name isn't written in your reliable and credible source. And see if it's necessary. This also prevents stealth promotion of a player. (See also Privacy of names)
  • Do not cite Japanese Wiki. Since it's also Wiki. Not to mention that it's less organized and less sources.
  • Do not cite a forum post or blog for an info that can't be verified, unless the poster is a verified important person in the industry.
  • Cite a reliable and credible source for what you add. (big website, magazine, video, TV are recommended)
  • Question the necessity of the info: Some nice-to-know info is good, but is not needed.
  • Don't forget what Wiki is always trying to tell you: "Unsourced or poorly sourced contentious material about living persons should be removed immediately."
  • Please do not add something like "UmeShouryuu" "Psychic Dragon Punch" or "UmeCopter." Made-up words aimed for entertaining or else by a match commentator(s) should not be here.
  • Check for a vandalism before edit. Undo the vandalism first. (so it's easier to edit and track)
  • Online match results should not be acknowledge or written, since both sides don't play in the same environment. Elements like pressure doesn't apply equally. Some players also look at the opponent's hands or hear the input sound in order to react accordingly.--OshareMajo (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • We don't need a reason why a player won or lost a match, whether it's a fact or an opinion. (but if it's an opinion, you shouldn't add it in the first place) Physical condition? Strategy? Equipment? With Wikipedia's standard, these are not necessary. If a player won a tournament because the opponent broke a tournament's rule in the grand finals, then it's worth mentioning.
  • Do not remove beastdaigo.jp citation under the Tournament placings table because if you do, almost all the data from 2007 and older will be unsourced. (even there's a source, some people still put in wrong infos!) --OshareMajo (talk) 12:02, 13 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Daigo's Japanese fan site beastdaigo.jp has tons of useful info but I don't have time to read and write all of the contents. It's also helpful for verifying stuff on this article, too.--OshareMajo (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Known issues

  • Contents in "Street Fighter IV era" section need to merge together to read like a quality Wikipedia article. There should be only something really important and worth mentioning.(But I don't see the need of merging right now. Maybe years after this) Of course, a skilled editor is needed.
  • There might be some grammatical mistakes. Skilled editors feel free to edit those.--OshareMajo (talk) 10:47, 31 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tournament placings section should not be removed, since Daigo competes just like an athlete so statistics is very important. It only needs improvements. And please add only result page from official site in the table.--OshareMajo (talk) 09:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • eventhubs.com's credibility is questionable. Their articles look like a casual blog post than an actual news article. I also found that they used to post a rumour as a fact before verifying it. Don't cite if you're not sure.--OshareMajo (talk) 09:37, 12 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

(talk) 12:09, 12 May 2010 (UTC) --OshareMajo[reply]

  • I don't encourage in making "Personal life" section. One, the lack of inline citation. (read Biographies of living persons guide) Two, because 3 sentences shouldn't make a section. Three, it may lead to relevance or importance of the information issue. If there's really a need of the section in the future, be sure you have enough substance to write and also provide inline citation in Japanese article or video because that way we can verify word by word. (I saw a big site had a bad translation before.)--OshareMajo (talk) 08:52, 5 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Around 1-2 years ago, there's "Daigo's gameplay footages" section. I removed it because it's not necessary (now you can find his videos in his official site) and people will keep adding video and we'll argue about which one is important or not important enough to be on the page.--OshareMajo (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • You should not cite Shoryuken's forum because they don't do "post quality control." Too many times, I found mistranslations and hoaxes. Event infos directly from event organizers are fine. --OshareMajo (talk) 10:23, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • A portion of MadCatz' press release says Daigo sets a world record for "Most Consecutive Tournament Wins," this sentence could be wrong since it contradicts to the screenshot of the certificate. The certificate says "the most successful player in major tournaments of Street Fighter."--OshareMajo (talk) 07:28, 1 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • It's clearly stated under the Tournament placings table but apparently some people didn't read it. Please don't put anything from 4th place and below. If you put it then it'll make the table incomplete, because there're some tournaments in the past that Daigo finished below 3rd place. Don't put in results from exhibition matches or online tournaments, too. For the obvious reasons.--OshareMajo (talk) 15:04, 19 October 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Exhibition matches[edit]

NSB13's exhibition and GODSGARDEN Online (#1) section removed due to the lack of formality

Yesterday, GODSGARDEN mastermind teased more Daigo's exhibition matches and asked people on the chat what they want to see, after Daigo's out of GGO and the tournament isn't finished yet. This made me realize something.

As I already proposed, online match results shouldn't be mentioned, though the event itself can still be counted without results written if it's organized by big-names such as Nico Nico or Microsoft Japan. However, GG organizer isn't in the same level as those two. The GGO stream was also distributed casually and has no schedule planned beforehand (there'll be a match if both players are free.). Daigo didn't leave the house during the matches. Various people showed up on the stream doing almost nothing. (Not to mention the English side had half-asleep commentators in pajamas and French side gave up half way.)

Another point. It's becoming more clear that online feature and stream or YouTube make exhibition matches more common and they could easily fall into trivial matters. Since Daigo, GG staff, and NSB staff are acquaintances and they can arrange things immediately in a brief phone call, they can (and probably will) make this as often as they can. All they need is Usteam account and free time. (Note that GG already has an Ustream show every Monday night)

It's time to set a standard before this Wiki page turn into GG/NSB or random group's portfolio. Such event involving only streaming or uploaded video from such group should be removed. Using this standard, I'm removing GODSGARDEN Online (#1) section. And I'm removing NSB13's (offline) exhibition matches section with similar reason. Note that I'm the one who added those two sections. I'm removing what I wrote after careful consideration. This's also a preemptive strike before someone open a Wiki dispute regarding the contents on the page. (See Wikipedia's Notability for more)--OshareMajo (talk) 13:16, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

How to respond to vandalism[edit]

Being an article about game combined with competitive play in worldwide scale, there's a high chance that you'll encounter vandalism more often since they'll likely attract lots of young Internet users. Be cool. Do not fight. Just undo their edits. If you're not sure if it's a vandalism or not, undo it while asking them to discuss or provide legit citation. More info can be found at Vandalism article and also read What is Troll while you're at it. It's a good article.--OshareMajo (talk) 20:32, 27 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

There is no rivalry[edit]

Thanks to some of the fans, an imaginary rivalry between Daigo Umehara and Justin Wong was created. I think I should mention about this to save everyone's time. The two are more like friends than enemies. Maybe it's private, but not only I have yet to see negative actions from both players, what I've found so far are only positive things.

Don't make Wiki a place for releasing your grief. Both players should not be attacked by each other's fans, for what they've not done. If you're mad at Daigo fanboys, this's not the place. If you're mad at Justin fanboys, this's also not the place. Defamatory or biased statement from both sides will be removed in the same manner.

In this article, Justin Wong should act as a top American player, not as Daigo's archenemy, and should be treated in the same aspect as other top players.

Also, several months ago, someone put Justin name in the introduction section (the top of the page). (unnecessarily, since it's already in The Dramatic Comeback section) I couldn't tell if it's to promote or to defame or any other reason. I think it's time to remove it. Since, for average people, Daigo's not known for fighting Justin, but for making the dramatic comeback. They might not even know Daigo's name, just the guy who did some crazy stuff that everyone was talking about.

(This imaginary rivalry issue should apply to other players, too) --OshareMajo (talk) 10:07, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

It's hard to believe but a couple days ago, someone nominated Daigo Umehara's page for deletion. So I think it's a good idea to show his notability here. If you have a credible source, feel free to add it here, too.

  • "Daigo “The Beast” Umehara, dubbed “God of 2D Fighting Games” by Arcadia magazine, is the world’s most famous Street Fighter player." - EVOAPAC
  • "is considered one of the best Street Fighter players in the world." - Joystiq
  • "he's the current reigning Street Fighter 4 champion, in addition to having won the Evolution series of fighting tournaments multiple times." - 1UP
  • "an internationally renowed professional gamer" - Mad Catz
  • "Since then, Umehara's fame and reputation has spread through the fighting game community and beyond. He plays with unrivalled precision and grace, combining the reactions of a peak-form Muhammad Ali with the strategy of a Garry Kasparov. He is undoubtedly the greatest Street Fighter player to have played the game. " - Eurogamer.net
  • "Daigo Umehara, who quite possibly is the most famous Street Fighter player ever." - Evo Championship Series
  • "and legendary Street Fighter Daigo Umehara." - Evo Championship Series
  • "and the legendary Daigo Umehara of Japan." - IGN.com
  • "Fighting game legend Daigo "The Beast" Umehara" - GameInformer.com

--OshareMajo (talk) 11:17, 18 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Draft[edit]

Old data in Tournament placing section I moved it here because there're some unsourced or irrelevant info. (some people complained about this, too) Feel free to add citation(s) though.

Capcom vs. SNK 2

  • Super Battle Opera (2003) - 2nd [C-Guile/Chun-Li/Sagat]
  • Super Battle Opera 2 (2004) - 5th [C-Ken/Guile/Sagat] with teammates Shiro [C-Yamazaki/Sagat/Rolento] and Dan [C-Ryu/Ken/Sagat]
  • Evolution 2003 - 2nd [C-Guile/Cammy/Sagat]
  • Absolution 2004 - 5th [C-Sagat/Ken/Guile]
  • Evolution 2006 - 5th [A-Blanka/Vega/Bison]

Guilty Gear Series (XX, #Reload and Slash)

  • Super Battle Opera (2003) - 3rd [Sol] with teammates Arisakashinya [Slayer] and Pachi [Faust]
  • Evolution 2003 - 1st [Sol]
  • Absolution 2004 - 1st [Sol]
  • Evolution 2004 - 1st [Sol]
  • Evolution 2006 - 2nd [Sol] with teammates RF [Faust] and Kindevu [Eddie]

Street Fighter III: 3rd Strike

  • Evolution 2003 - 2nd [Ken SA3]
  • Absolution 2004 - 1st [Ken SA3]
  • Evolution 2004 - 2nd [Ken SA3]
  • The 2nd a-cho Cup (2004) - 2nd [Ken SA3] with teammates K.O [Yun SA3] and Onanism [Urien SA3]
  • Super Battle Opera 3 (2005) - 1st [Ken SA3] with teammate Ohnuki [Chun Li SA2]
  • Cooperation Cup 4 (2005) - 1st with teammates Deshi KFG, Hayao, Boss, and Raoh
  • Seasons Beatings IV (2009) - 4th [Ken SA3]

Super Street Fighter II Turbo

  • Super Battle Opera (2003) - 1st [Ryu] with teammates Kurahashi [Guile] and Yng.Bro.Chun [Chun-Li]
  • Evolution 2003 - 1st [Ryu]
  • Absolution 2004 - 1st [Ryu, Balrog, O.Sagat, Zangief]
  • Evolution 2004 - 1st [Ryu, Balrog, O.Sagat]
  • X-Mania 7 - 2nd [Ryu] with teammates Yaya [Sagat] and Aniken [Ken]

Hyper Street Fighter II

  • Evolution 2006 - 5th [ST Ryu]

Street Fighter Alpha 3

  • Street Fighter Zero 3 National Championship 1998 - 1st [V-Akuma]
  • Street Fighter Zero 3 World Championship 1998 - 1st [V-Akuma]
  • Absolution 2004 - 3rd [X/A/V-Ryu]
  • The 2nd a-cho Cup (2004) - 2nd [V-Ryu] with teammates D44 [V-Akuma] and West Coast Dhalsim [A-Dhalsim]

Capcom Fighting Jam

  • Super Battle Opera 3 (2005) - 2nd [Urien/Guile] with teammate Dan [Ryu/Karin]

Super Street Fighter II Turbo: HD Remix

  • Seasons Beatings IV Singles (2009) - 1st [Ryu]

Street Fighter IV

  • Evolution 2009 - 1st [Ryu]
  • Gods Garden (2009) - 3rd [Ryu]
  • Shiozawa Cup (2009) - 1st [Ryu] with teammates Iyo [Dhalsim], Nyan [Ryu], Misse [Akuma], and Bonchan [Sagat] (Team Neko Punch)
  • Seasons Beatings IV Singles (2009) - 1st [Ryu]
  • Seasons Beatings IV 3v3 (2009) - 3rd [Ryu] with teammates Larry [Zangief] and Moses [Rufus] (Team "Daigo Company")
  • World Game Cup Singles (2010) - 2nd [Ryu]
  • World Game Cup 2v2 (2010) - 1st [Ryu] with teammate Eita [Akuma]

Vampire Savior

Edit war[edit]

June 10-12, 2010

On June 10 and 12, a person with IP 75.73.34.17 removed the following lines:

"While English speakers hail him the world's most famous Street Fighter player[1][2] or the greatest Street Fighter player,[3] Japanese media simply refer to Daigo as "Kami" (神) or "God" when it comes to 2D fighting games."[4][5][6][7][8][9][10]

The statements written were quoted from

  • Evolution APAC website
  • Evolution website
  • eurogamer.net
  • Arcadia magazine website (introducing Daigo as god of 2D fighting games world.) (Japanese language)
  • Arcadia's DVDs (introducing Daigo as god) (Japanese language)
  • a footage of TV commercial of Gamer's Koshien TV show. (introducing Daigo as god of fighting games world) (Japanese language)
  • a footage of a commercial of a Bandai Namco's toy product. (introducing Daigo as god of 2D fighting games world) (Japanese language)
  • IT Media website (calling Daigo god of 2D fighting game) (Japanese language)
  • 4gamer.net website (calling Daigo god of fighting game) (Japanese language)
  • Anigema website (calling Daigo god of fighting game) (Japanese language)

All is credible organization or media. I think it shouldn't be removed. (copy editing is fine, merging is fine, just not removing) --OshareMajo (talk) 03:51, 12 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

August 11, 2010

In The Dramatic Comback, a person (12.9.171.251) added the info (sounds like a propaganda) that I've never heard of and also provided no citation. On top of that, it's still irrelevant. I looked at his edit history, he also added highly questionable infos in Bleach (manga) related pages. I undid it, but someone from a different IP (96.41.78.91) later added the similar thing again. (so I assume it's the same person)--OshareMajo (talk) 09:20, 12 August 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Umehara and a bad result in Season's Beating IV

Umehara was placed low in SSF4 due to his bad performance in 2010's Season's Beating. It's not an issue if someone want to emphasize this point, a stealth troll or not. It's an issue if you put it in the Tournament Placings section, because it'll contradict the whole content (and we already went though this, just look above section.) This's the most frequent bad edit. --OshareMajo (talk) 09:45, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

References

  1. ^ "Daigo Umehara". EVOAPAC. Retrieved 2010-05-18.
  2. ^ "SFIV National Tournament Finals! This Saturday!". Evo Championship Series. 2009-04-13. Retrieved 2010-05-18.
  3. ^ "Daigo Umehara: The King of Fighters". eurogamer.net. Retrieved 2010-05-18.
  4. ^ Arcadia Editorial Department (2009-05-30). "月刊アルカディア7月号". Enterbrain. Retrieved 2009-07-19. "God of 2D fighting games" was written on the cover.
  5. ^ "Kami" (神) was used for Daigo's player introduction part in Umehara Concept Matches Vol.1 and Vol.2 DVD from 2008 and 2009. The DVDs were included with Arcadia magazines published by Enterbrain.
  6. ^ "ゲーマーズ甲子園 #9 / MONDO21". Nico Nico. 2009-03-13. Retrieved 2009-05-21. In 2008, a Japanese TV show "Gamer's Koshien" refers to Daigo as "God of fighting games world."
  7. ^ "格闘ゲームの神，ウメハラ氏が米Mad Catzと契約。プロゲーマーとして活動を開始". 4gamer.net. 2010-04-28. Retrieved 2010-05-20.
  8. ^ "ついにプロゲーマーデビュー！　2D格闘ゲームの「神」ことウメハラ選手を知っていますか？". IT Media. 2010-04-27. Retrieved 2010-05-20.
  9. ^ "ウメハラの仮想スト２". Nico Nico. 2010-03-12. Retrieved 2009-05-21.
  10. ^ Anigema (2010-05-27). "格ゲーの神、ウメハラさんは『スト2』と『スト4』どちらがお好き？". Anigema. Retrieved 2010-05-31.

Daigo Image[edit]

http://www.flickr.com/photos/ewic/4791814278/in/set-72157624488936296/

Here's an image of Daigo at Evo 2010, I noticed you didn't have one and this one shows him clearly. Sincerely Subzerosmokerain (talk) 03:36, 18 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Tournament placings renamed to achievements[edit]

After countless times of explanation both here and during the undoings, I think it is better to rename "Tournament placings" to "Achievements" to make it absolutely clear what to add. The issue is many people keep adding 4th place and below to that section.

But the renaming will not change the standards.

  • The table is not for tracking all the records, but to show the notability from the success. (Please see other Wikipedia articles, Tiger Woods for an example.)
  • Tracking all of his records is impossible, especially from 2009 and older.
  • Adding 4th place and below will make the complete table incomplete. Please think about the consistency.
  • He used to finish 4th-5th in Evo before 2011.
  • He was eliminated early in some tournaments in the past.
  • Before 2010, the tournament placings section was so unorganized and there was a complaint (flag) saying it is irrelevant.

--OshareMajo (talk) 09:14, 8 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Sure, I don't see why not. TheStickMan[✆Talk] 01:28, 9 August 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Need update[edit]

Daigo published his second book and a detailed interview on in-game strategies playing Ryu against Akuma, who is thought to be overpowered. He also defeats infiltration in Mad Catz Unveiled Tokyo Game Show 2013, a FT10 game against Akuma. Also, I think Daigo is also good at playing Yun and it is worth-noting about his in-game strength and style, which seems to be lacking on the article. --14.198.220.253 (talk) 17:30, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Do you have a non-video source? TheStickMan[✆Talk] 19:28, 7 January 2014 (UTC)[reply]

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Too big[edit]

Too big, too over detailed. Too unwieldy. The article should be trimmed. Do we need to cover every single tournament he's ever attended? Also notice that there's a LOT of detail for his SFIV career onwards, however that seems to just be a big bias of sources. He was covered more in online news from 2008 onwards, when his career before that is just as important. Harizotoh9 (talk) 21:47, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]

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