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Harvard Extension School Vs. Harvard University[edit]

Hello,

Harvard Extension School is a legitimate, accredited school but its admission requirements are not the same as the others. It is likely that it is for this reason Harvard's resume guidance (among others) requires mentioning "extension," rather than the parent institution alone.

https://ocs.fas.harvard.edu/file/232981

https://www.academia.edu/43195962/Harvard_RESUMES_and_COVER_LETTERS_OFFICE_OF_CAREER_SERVICES_Extension_School_Resumes_and_Cover_Letters_An_Extension_School_Resource

This disagreement comes up time and time again from HES grads who omit the extension part and then either plead ignorance, or purposely exclude it to avoid the "Extension" question altogether.

This post from Harvard blogs sums up the ordeal pretty well:

https://blogs.harvard.edu/lamont/2013/09/18/harvard-extension-school-resume-guidelines-are-bogus/

"To outsiders, things are a bit different. “Harvard” or “Harvard University” is synonymous with “Harvard College” in the eyes of the public, and many people in the corporate world. At the graduate level, “Harvard University” is associated with the Graduate School of Arts & Sciences programs that lead to MAs and PhDs. The Extension School is very different than the College or the advanced programs in GSAS."

Best,

LyonsDen LyonsDen1995 (talk) 11:50, 29 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Hello,
There is no issue with the Harvard resume guidance you referenced. However, 1) Wikipedia is not a resume, 2) consistency and form matter, and 3) the Harvard Extension School's reference on resumes consistently list Harvard University first and/or in bold before Extension School. Based on that prescription, listing "Harvard University" is appropriate.
The blog you referenced states one opinion, not the only opinion. Contention about confusion and misappropriation is understandable as it is undeniable that some feel the need to stretch or hide the truth. But, Harvard Extension School is clearly stated in Danny Yamashiro. Additionally, the quote "To outsiders...programs that lead to MAs and PhDs" is too narrow by noting GSAS and the College only. What about graduates from the Dental School, Medical School, School of Design, Divinity, and Kennedy School, etc. that are not part of GSAS and are not all MAs and PhDs? Are they not Harvard University? Are you aware that the College, GSAS, Engineering, and Extension are all under Faculty of Arts and Sciences (FAS)? "Outsiders" may not know the actual structures and we must not cater to their perceptions or misperceptions. Instead, we should stick to what is true.
Harvard Extension School is distinct in Harvard University. It is the only Harvard school with open enrollment and an "earn your way in" process to degree candidacy; becoming a degree candidate and earning a degree has its own merit in the Harvard community. Extension School degree holders are included with all Harvard schools as Harvard University graduates, pronounced by the president at Commencement.
https://www.harvard.edu/academics/schools/
The content of this article is clear about Harvard Extension School in relation to Harvard University, the parent institution. Furthermore, because the Infobox lists only universities and not schools of universities, the "University" should technically remain and not the school.
If this article avoided any mention of Harvard Extension School or did so sparingly in a concealed manner, your suggested change might be warranted. But there is no misleading going on. If "Outsiders" feel mislead by reading that Danny Yamashiro graduated from Harvard University, they should not. He did. If they want to know what school he attended at Harvard the article is explicit.
Listing "Harvard University" in the Infobox is factual and consistent.
Best,
Shiokari Shiokari (talk) 04:42, 30 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

"Wikipedia is not a resume, 2) consistency and form matter, and 3) the Harvard Extension School's reference on resumes consistently list Harvard University first and/or in bold before Extension School. Based on that prescription, listing "Harvard University" is appropriate."

You're correct, Wikipedia is not a resume. However, that extension school resume guidance is evidence that something is different about the Extension school from the other Harvard schools - that is admissions standards. Something Harvard is known for.


"2) consistency and form matter, and 3) the Harvard Extension School's reference on resumes consistently list Harvard University first and/or in bold before Extension School. Based on that prescription, listing "Harvard University" is appropriate.

The blog you referenced states one opinion, not the only opinion."

The issue is not that the Extension school is somehow illegitimate or not really Harvard, the issue is that its standards are not the same as the other schools, and merely stating "He graduated from Harvard University." is suggestive of the norm for Harvard schools: Extremely competitive admissions and exclusivity. Which is simply not true of HES.


"Extension School degree holders are included with all Harvard schools as Harvard University graduates, pronounced by the president at Commencement."

Again, that is not the issue. The degree is legitimate and from Harvard, but a degree from HES is not the same as the other schools. Students are not allowed regular access to campus housing, there is no consideration of high school transcripts or SAT and ACT scores, many faculty do not hold Harvard appointments, and grads of the baccalaureate program earn a bachelor of liberal arts in "extension studies".

In a world where "Harvard" is synonymous with exclusivity, a degree from HES does not meet the norm to go unmentioned. It is a highly-accessible adult learner school, which is unique to every other Harvard school.

To comprompise, we might list "Harvard University Extension School" in the infobox.

Best, — Preceding unsigned comment added by LyonsDen1995 (talk • contribs) 17:09, 31 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

65.60.228.170 (talk) 23:59, 2 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]


"The issue is not that the Extension school is somehow illegitimate or not really Harvard, the issue is that its standards are not the same as the other schools, and merely stating "He graduated from Harvard University." is suggestive of the norm for Harvard schools: Extremely competitive admissions and exclusivity. Which is simply not true of HES. "

You clearly don't know anything about Harvard except what you saw in a movie. There are 13 different schools some of which have acceptance rates as high as 50% (ed and div school are notorious for this). HES degrees cost about $6,000 to fill out an application (3 classes with honors grades which about 1/3 of people who try to matriculate get in), and the rest are high achievers usually alumni often from other top schools and its governed by the same facility board as GSAS and the college so its rigerous. To disqualify only the people that graduate HES, when very few people graduate from HES because its tough is rediculious.

I'm editing back the article, if dickheads like you continue i will have to spend time and resources and ask the dean for a blog post to shut you up. Anyway like convention dictates the following changes will be made, Harvard University (degree(s)). Then in the article it will say got a X degree from Harvard Extension School at Harvard University.

On a personal note you need to grow up you've gone around to each school with Harvard Extension School alumni and have been changing things as if it's a different institution. Someone needs to ban you.

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