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Definition[edit]

The term futsal is the contraction of the Portuguese expression Futebol de Salão. Because in 1983 FIFA claimed ownership of the term football (soccer), the FIFUSA/AMF created the term futsal (fut-sal). In 1985, during its Congres in Madrid, Spain, the term futsal was written into the statutes of the FIFUSA/AMF. In 1990 FIFA used the term, originating in the FIFUSA/AMF organization, and the majority of the rules to create a fusion between the FIFUSA's futsal and the FIFA's five a side (indoor soccer or football à cinq that belong to FIFA). The FIFUSA/AMF does not recognize this sport fusion as futsal, however, FIFA continues to use futsal as the name for its clone. In fact you must make a difference between futsal which belong to the international government body of the FIFUSA/AMF, and the futsal FIFA which is a clone made by FIFA to control this old and original sport. studiojb

Futebol de Salão is NOT the same as futsal. So why does the former link to the latter?? Ondog 07:59, 22 June 2006 (UTC)

Futsal is NOT the same as Five-a-side football. - See http://www.thefa.com/application?origin=template.jsp&event=bea.portal.framework.internal.refresh&pageid=maximise&pageName=grassroots&pillar=grassroots&contentId=27464&contentType=1&subContentType=1

In Futsal, you can't bounce the ball off the side wall. That's a fundamental difference. From the quick hunt I've made in the last 10 minutes, I don't think there are any standard rules for five-a-side. In Britain there are thousands of five-a-sive clubs and about 50 five-a-side leagues. There are rules recommended by the FA to which the U.S.S.C. have made their own amendments. Mintguy

OK, call them different games if you want.

Then you need a page for indoor soccer, too. Indoor soccer is as much different from futsal as what is talked about on the link you gave me. FIFA's rules of futsal are an attempt to standardize a game that isn't very standard.

The US futsal team is the US five-a-side team.

People will tell you that indoor soccer is totally different from futsal, too. But it's really the same game, only different.

There are dasher boards in indoor soccer too. The games are still similar.

Bias[edit]

Even if futsal official rules were designed after the other types, its absurd to say futsal is a latter creation. The preceding unsigned comment was added by 201.8.9.245 (talk • contribs) 29 Nov 2005.

Japan[edit]

There is a Japanese celebrity women's league that's been getting a lot of press of late. As this may be the only national Futsal league (at least the article does not mention others) would this bear mentioning?

After the sixth foul[edit]

Are all of those sanctions taken simultaneously after a team accrues six fouls in a half, or due they accrue sequentially with each additional foul after six? All of that coming at once upon the sixth foul seems a little harsh to me, and the article isn't totally clear on this. Being that limited defensively would seem to amount almost to a "death sentence" of certain defeat if all are applied at once against an opponent while the other team suffers no such consequences because of a lower total of fouls. Rlquall 21:03, 23 March 2006 (UTC)

microfutbol[edit]

Does anyone watching this page know how microfutbol relates to either futsal or 5-a-side? Microfutbol currently doesn't have an article and is on Wikipedia:Articles requested for more than a year. -- Rick Block (talk) 16:25, 15 April 2006 (UTC)

UEFS[edit]

I have moved UEFS Futsal Championship from Europe to International competition because in UEFS Championship some non european nations participate, Australia for instance. Cpt.Miller 12:22, 25 February 2007 (UTC)

Peer review result[edit]

These issues were raised at this article's peer review page.

  • At the moment, the article has lots about the rules, but less material about other aspects. The big brother of this article. association football, is a featured article and gives an example of a good balance between sections about rules, history, competitions etc.
  • Why are there big black lines in the tables?
  • Actually, the tables probably shouldn't be there at all. A prose section like the "International competitions" section in association football would be better.
  • Nearly all the references are to the rules from the FIFA website. More diversity in sourcing would be beneficial.
  • There is very little about the relative popularity / unpopularity of futsal. For instance, except in passing no mention is made that it is more popular in Latin countries than elsewhere, nor that it is hardly played at all in Northern Europe even though it is a football heartland. How many people play futsal? How many people watch it? What media coverage does it get? How does it differ from standard football?

DeMoN2009 17:51, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

The article also doesn't explain whether it is a professional sport. If it is, how much money is there in it, and how does it compete with mainstream football for players? Luwilt (talk) 20:12, 9 June 2009 (UTC)

Please add the schematic diagram of a futsal playing field[edit]

See the topic name.--Pierce (talk) 09:12, 15 July 2009 (UTC)

sole football?[edit]

Spanish salon and Portuguese salão are translated to English as 'saloon' or 'salon'. Sole meaning alone is translated as solo in Spanish and so in Portuguese. Sole meaning the botton of the foot is translated as sola both in Spanish and Portuguese.

--Dionisio —Preceding unsigned comment added by 210.225.125.112 (talk) 04:04, 15 September 2009 (UTC)

links[edit]

The external link Futsal Leagues in Essex seems to be a link thats could be removed, the linked site is a local league site with very little information on futsal, in my opinion it should be removed as it is of little relevance, perhaps a better link if needed could be Futsal Planet? Schematic diagram of a futsal playing field can be found un ref 7 (which is the fifa laws of the game) -Edw400 (talk) 23:44, 5 February 2010 (UTC)

Five players on each team? Five players on the pitch?[edit]

Presently "Players, equipment and officials" leads with:

There are five players on each team, one of whom is the goalkeeper.

I -believe- this means that there are five players allowed on the pitch at a time, not that the team is comprised of five players. I am not familiar with the sport but the adjacent photograph of at what appears to be at least ten players for the Brazillian national team indicating that this sentence is misleading. To be fair, the FIFA rules -- which this appears to quote verbatim -- creates the same grammatical confusion. It appears per FIFA that there are twelve players, five of whom are on the pitch and seven available as subsitutes, but again, I'm unfamiliar. Ogre lawless (talk) 23:41, 26 March 2010 (UTC)

Unofficial rankings[edit]

On the rankings section, do you think there should be something mentioned to point out that these are unofficial rankings, as FIFA nor UEFA have rankings for Futsal. UEFA does have a UEFA coefficient for Futsal, but that isn't quite the same. Bobbymaestro (talk) 12:13, 18 November 2011

Duration and tie-breaking methods[edit]

Do away goals really count double? Hack (talk) 17:05, 13 September 2012 (UTC)

Originating in Australia?[edit]

This page is tagged with the category Sports originating in Australia, which seems obviously incorrect. Cybrspunk (talk) 05:27, 5 December 2012 (UTC)

Basic techniques[edit]

I removed the whole 'Basic techniques' section as it was incomprehensible in many places.

The text appears to be primarily a machine translation of Spanish text found on dozens of websites and in the Spanish WP article on Fútbol sala.

Note that this section in the Spanish WP article appears to be plagiarism. It was added to WP by an anonymous user on 25 Jul 2011, but the same text is findable in multiple older web pages. The earliest source appears to be a downloadable monograph from Sept 2009 at http://www.monografias.com/trabajos74/tecnicas-futbol-sala/tecnicas-futbol-sala.shtml

Guffydrawers (talk) 12:04, 19 February 2013 (UTC)

Transition from futsal to professional football careers[edit]

The article mentions that "Several Brazilian futsal players have moved on to careers as successful professional soccer players." This is not substantiated with any source, however. Does anyone have a list of notable professional football players that started their careers in futsal? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Molero (talkcontribs) 19:32, 23 March 2013 (UTC)

Rule table needs rewrite[edit]

It reads now like either a machine translation, or more likely in my opinion, it was written by someone with limited English skills. "Overcome the midfield" presumibly means something like "go past the center line"; no native Engllish speaker would ever say anything like that. I'd do it, but I am not familiar with the actual rules and would be concerned that trying to rewrite this based sololy on what here might introduce mistakes. 173.202.242.209 (talk) 11:55, 27 July 2014 (UTC)

Tone in "The Origins"[edit]

Parts of it sound a lot more like an advertisement rather than an informative, unbiased article. This part "It was easily played by everyone, everywhere, and in any weather condition, even in winter" and this one "The result is a lively, evolved, dynamic, active and supportive sport." sound particularly bad. 91.199.104.243 (talk) 13:25, 29 October 2014 (UTC)

Origin of the name[edit]

The article lede states (without source citation) "Its name comes from the Portuguese Futebol de salão , which can be translated as "room football"." However later in the "Naming" section the article states:

"Futsal comes from Spanish fútbol sala or fútbol de salón , which can be translated as "hall football". During the sport's second world championships held in Madrid in 1985, the Spanish name fútbol sala was used. Since then, all other names have been officially and internationally changed to futsal. … The name has been translated into Portuguese as futebol de salão fútbol sala [sic] … "

again, with no sources cited.

So is it Portuguese or Spanish in origin, and could some sources be mentioned for the origin of the name? 86.131.83.197 (talk) 14:38, 15 February 2015 (UTC)