Talk:George Leslie Mackay

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MacKay Hospital[edit]

This page previously wrongly attributed the legend that a sea captain surnamed Mackay, who was no direct relative of the missionary, was the origin of the hospital. The main English history website of the hospital described in detail about the works of Dr. MacKay . Please, put such discussion here, not into the text. In Canadian materials, such as the referenced Marian Keith book, the notation of a Detroit donor (in that time, a lot of folks from Ontario went to the US via Detroit, a major entry point, as well as settling-place)...If you have trouble with the text, make the changes; I made the 'direct" relative notation a few weeks ago (there were a lot of M'Kay's in Zorra).... Bacl-presby 19:04, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

User:Scribsott on March 11 was the first one to add the note about the hospital not being named after MacKay. Unless he can provide a source, and the hospital itself claims that it was the missionary - where is the debate? I think that the reference needs a source since it contradicts so much evidence. Even the wikipedia link to the Mackay Memorial Hospital states it that way. Brian0324 17:17, 26 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you for the revision and comments; I did not appreciate being called a vulgar name by someone whose reasoning was "my father works at the Hospital". I'll have to refer to Marian Keith's "The Black Beared Barbarian" and GLM's "From Far Formosa" this weekend. If this discussion and massive revision in wiki has caused much grief, I'll be happy to omit it. Bacl-presby 01:12, 27 January 2007 (UTC) PS--I've moved the pictures to remove a large gap in the centre of the article[reply]

FOR THE RECORD Mackay himself wrote in From Far Formosa pp 316, that the initial donation of $ 3,000 for the Mackay hospital came from the widow of a Sea Captain (quite inland in Detroit..) named Mackay...Keith's reference (The Black Bearded Barbarian) is on pp 219-220 on the funds raided in the 1880 furlough for both medical (Hospital) and educational (Oxford College). Likely someone will inform us that Mackay Hospital was memorialized after GLM's 1901 death, but this is the rationale behind the story as I've posted/revised. Bacl-presby 17:59, 29 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

  • As noted, I removed two words from the article--Mackay Memorial Hospital was not founded by Mackay--the Hospital he started in 1882 from $ donated from the Widow of a Great Lakes Steamer Captain (the "Sea" quite distant from Detroit) was shifted from Tamsui to Taipei, and "Memorial" was added there in 1912 to honour George Leslie Mackay--dare I add this to the Hospital's wiki entry?

Bacl-presby 22:51, 30 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for doing the research. I would definitely correct both sites.Brian0324 14:45, 31 January 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geneology Question[edit]

George Leslie Mackay is my great-great-great-grandfather :D His daughter adopted my great-grandmother (who was Taiwanese). I wonder if anybody could find some sort of geneology of his to I can try to track down his Caucasian descendants? .onion 05:04, 27 April 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Bacl-presby 19:10, 29 December 2006 (UTC)[reply]

China should be referenced in the article to properly define cultural context[edit]

The main body of this article deserves a reference to China. Just because Taiwan was occupied by the Japanese doesn't mean that the culture ceased to be Chinese. It is widely recognized as part of China.Brian0324 19:06, 27 February 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Mackay was part of the movement of Protestant missions to the Chinese who are scattered all over East Asia. I included the template not to cause controversy about Taiwan, but to include Mackay in the larger picture of his faith and work.Brian0324 (talk) 22:22, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]
At the time Mackay was working in Taiwan, the late 19th century before 1895, Taiwan was a colony of China. For that reason we can leave the reference to China. Readin (talk) 22:59, 7 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

OMNI TV Documentary feedback[edit]

  • I've edited this recent entry from from article, but feel it is important to our Discussion:

(I take it the author was responding to the Documentary?) "When Mackay arrived in Taiwan, the island was an outpost of China's Qing empire. The population consisted largely of aboriginal tribes (lowland and highland)and Chinese whose families had immigrated from Fujian province in southern China.

Taiwan was known in the West as "Formosa." It was these "Chinese" that were generally referred to as "Formosans."

As a missionary, Mackay had being expressly forbidden by the church to marry "a Chinese." Despite this, Mackay married Tiuⁿ Chhang-miâ (張聰明; known as "Minnie" in the West.)

It has been stated in some sources that Tiuⁿ Chhang-miâ was a Taiwanese aboriginal. But surviving members of Mackay's family, including the granddaughters of MacKay and Tiuⁿ Chhang-miâ (Minnie) state that this is categorically false.

In interviews and in their own memoirs, the Mackay family says that Tiuⁿ Chhang-miâ was a Formosan (what today would be called "Taiwanese") -- a member of a family who had originally migrated from China. This is evidenced by her name, and by photos and documents that show her culture, her manner of dress, and her lifestyle were clearly southern Chinese, not aboriginal." As posted by 207.245.8.202....

I'm still flustered over the "expert" (Professor Kearney) from the US (Nebraska) repeatitivly calling the Presbyterian Church in Canada, the Presbyterian Church of Canada.... Bacl-presby 20:07, 15 April 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Tiuⁿ Chhang-miâ (張聰明)[edit]

Mackay's wife was a "native" Taiwanese, but that does not mean she was aboriginal. She was of Han Chinese ancestry. (R. P. Mackay, "George Leslie Mackay", chapter in Effective Workers in Needy Fields, by W. F. McDowell, R. P. Mackay, et. al., New York, 1902, pp. 64-65.)[1] I am removing the wrong description from the article. -98.207.130.193 (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2008 (UTC)[reply]

dead links in external sources[edit]

Removed two links that don't work:

The page from tourism Oxford may be moribund as well, the site responds that it is down for scheduled maintenance. It said the same thing a week or two ago. Marfinan (talk) 01:46, 24 March 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Mackay and romanized Taiwanese (Pe̍h-ōe-jī)[edit]

Every so often the claim surfaces here that Mackay invented Pe̍h-ōe-jī, the Minnan romanized orthography. As POJ was first used before he was born, this seems rather unlikely. I've just removed an image and caption from this article that claimed Mackay as the inventor. See the article on POJ for full references. Taiwantaffy (talk) 09:12, 16 December 2015 (UTC)[reply]

Merge from George William Mackay[edit]

I am afraid George William Mackay is not notable on his own, there are very few sources, and it seems his life can be summed up on few sentences (based on available references). Unless there is more coverage in Chinese, I think he should be merged here (to a family section or such). --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here 04:24, 21 June 2017 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support per the reasons given above Kbseah (talk) 20:37, 30 August 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  checkY Merger complete. Klbrain (talk) 22:09, 8 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]

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