Talk:HMS Manly (1804)

Officers' Names

I was trying to put a note in next to this captain's name, but failed! viz
Hans Peter Holm, later captain of the ill-fated Najaden. Can you help?

Done. However, I notice that by Feb 1812 he is captain of Najaden, meaning that his time as captain of Manly was quite short.Acad Ronin (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

ThanksViking1808 (talk)

Other officers' names currently obscure, but I will keep looking.Viking1808 (talk) 07:01, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

More officers' Names translated from this: Danish Website

In the year 1813 Norwegian Naval Defence comprised the same eight brigs named in the reference, viz

• «Allart,» Kaptein Schønheyder,
• «Lolland,» Kapteinløitnant A. Krieger,

Is there a difference between a "Kapteinløitnant" and a First lieutenant? For instance, Grodtschilling, below, is a Kapteinløitnant in 1813, but a First lieutenant at the time that he participated in Manly's capture. I could imagine a situation where someone would have the rank of First lieutenant, but the the title "Kapteinløitnant" when in command of a ship.Acad Ronin (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Detailed answer is at this wikipage Viking1808 (talk) 18:21, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Do we know what Holms was at the time of the action with Manly?Acad Ronin (talk) 18:34, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

It seems he was "chef og kaptejn" - in command, with rank of captain rather of a lieutenant, but which rank of captain (NATO OF 2,3 or 4 equivalent)I cannot say. I will keep looking! Viking1808 (talk) 19:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

• «Samsøe,» Do. F. Grodtschilling,(Ridder F. Grodtschilling - but "Ridder" may be a title Viking1808 (talk))

"Ridder" is almost surely a title, like the German "Ritter", roughly "Knight".Acad Ronin (talk) 13:38, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

• «Lougen,» Do. C. Grove,
• «Seagull,» Do. C. Lütken,
• «Kiel,» Do. H. D. B. Seidelin,
• «Alsen,» Do. M. Lütken og
• «Langeland,» Do. T. J. Lütken,
  

together with the gunboat flotillas of which ...

• the Trondhjems Section was commanded by Kommandørkaptein (later Danish Rearadmiral) J. Gether,
• the Bergen gunboat flotilla by Premierløitnant Dorn,
• the Christiansand gunboat flotilla by Kaptein T. Fasting,
• the Arendal gunboat flotilla by Kapteinløitnant Dietrichson,
• the Jomfruland gunboat flotilla by af Kapteinløitnant C. C. Lous,
• the Fredericksværn gunboat flotilla by Kaptein S. A. Bille (Steen Andersen Bille -Son or Father of same name? Both had naval careers. Not yet clearViking1808 (talk))
• and the Sandøsundske gunboat flotilla by Kapteinløitnant O. C. Budde.

This list may provide information for other Wiki pages on the gunboat warsViking1808 (talk) 07:46, 28 April 2011 (UTC)

Lütken of the Alsen

Magnus Lütken entered the Danish navy as a volunteer kadet in 1792 at 10 years of age. He saw duty in the Danish West Indies and as an instructor at the Danish Naval Academy. Promoted to Senior Lieutenant in 1806, he served in the armed ship Samuel in Bergen and in a Russian gunboat squadron before transferring to Alsen where he was appointed captain on 24 April 1809. Promoted again, in March 1813 he was sent with Alsen as a negotiator (parlamentær) to England on the Danish King’s orders. When, in 1814, peace was declared and Norway was separated from Denmark, Lütken refused to hand over control of his ship to the new Norwegian authorities without a direct order from Copenhagen and was briefly arrested. (Topsøe-Jensen Vol II pp 135-136)

I tried inserting this note into the article, but it looked clumsy! It may be of some interest to others. Details on the other danes mentioned are available.Viking1808 (talk) 16:56, 28 August 2011 (UTC)

Shipwreck

Attempting to classify the ship as shipwrecked has been raised at Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships#Shipwrecks as there may be a wider issue.Djm-leighpark (talk) 21:10, 27 January 2020 (UTC)