Talk:Hana Meisel

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... for name variations, such as: Hanna Meisel Shohat, Hannah, Maisel, Shochat. Right now only guessing the WP way of writing the name takes you to the page. Thanks. --- PS: The best article on her is for instance at the Jewish Women's Archive, and they write her Hannah Maisel-Shohat.Arminden (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 17:44, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

See WP:COMMONNAME. "Wikipedia generally prefers the name that is most commonly used (as determined by its prevalence in reliable English-language sources) as such names will usually best fit criteria such as recognizability and naturalness." At the present time, none of the sources cited here refer to Meisel by any name other than "Hana Meisel". General Ization ^Talk 17:57, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

I misspoke, as I see Carmel-Hakim's (or more likely the JWA editor's) reference to her married name in the title of the JWA document. However, note that Carmel-Hakim refers to her throughout the document and at all periods of her life, even at her death, as "Hannah Maisel", not as "Maisel-Shohat" or any variant. This reinforces the use of Maisel or Meisel as WP:COMMONNAME for this subject. The use of one or more redirects is indeed the correct mechanism to address the variants, rather than inserting "Shohat" after her name in references to this page. General Ization ^Talk 18:06, 9 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]

@General Ization: ... so? That was the main point, getting to the right page when you search for it. I don't know how to add the redirects. I guess you do. Would you mind...? Thanks!
Apart from that: the internet does not have priority over reality. If a person wrote their name in a certain way, published under that name, are buried with a headstone carrying a certain name-that certainly matters more than what convenience or popular mispronunciations made of that name. See the piles of "Hertsel" streets in Israel, named (almost) after poor Herzl. I have no idea how she signed her name, maybe she dropped Meisel/Maisel altogether after her wedding-or not, but I see in the JWA bibliography: <<"Hannah Maisel-Shohat" in Second Aliya Personalities, edited by Ze'ev Zahor, 255–258. Jerusalem: 1997>>. I guess that type of publication is better researched than most. So we should at least offer a redirect. Please mind that Zahor or at least JWA uses "h" with a diacritic, which in the period was usually written the German way, "ch" (see also Israel Shochat, the brother (!) of her husband, and his wife, Manya Shochat. Mind than Manya, a super-feminist, did not stay Wilbushewitz after her wedding.) I do believe that, if she did follow the common orthography of the time, she most likely wrote her name Hannah Meisel-Shochat or even Schochat. The Germanisation of Yiddish names became almost taboo after WWII, but was very common before that. Thanks again for helping out. If it's an easy procedure (have little time right now), maybe you can point me towards the right WP instruction page for redirects; otherwise, could you please take care of it? Thanks!
Suggested redirects: Hana Maisel, Hannah Meisel, Hannah Maisel, Hannah Meisel-Shohat, Hannah Meisel-Shochat, Hannah Maisel-Shochat.Arminden (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC)ArmindenArminden (talk) 10:22, 14 January 2016 (UTC) PS: for "-Shohat" see[reply]

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Almost all JWA articles, by different authors - they are quite consistent: [4], [5], [6], [7], [8].
The Jewish Virtual Library, quoting the Encyclopaedia Judaica (2008), uses Hannah Maisel (Shoḥat).

@Arminden: Please visit Wikipedia:Article wizard/Redirect or WP:WIZR for an easy way to create redirects. General Ization ^Talk 13:24, 14 January 2016 (UTC)[reply]