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Help with edit battle over the death of Elazar in the Megillat Antiochus[edit]

I looked at the article on Elazar Avaran and noticed an error in how he was said to have died according to the "scroll of Antiochus" (a/k/a Megillat Antiochus). A wikipedia rollbacker reverted the changes. I made certain to indicate all of my sources are primary sources and I've been discussing this at length on the Talk page. How can I better convince this editor to stop reverting my edits short of teaching them to read Aramaic? Aharonium (talk) 07:28, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

This issue appears to be resolved. Aharonium (talk) 16:39, 26 January 2015 (UTC)


Hanukkah has two yellow-level maintenance tags on it, which means it will be ineligible for inclusion on WP:Selected anniversaries/December 16. Please rectify this as soon as possible. Thanks. howcheng {chat} 06:56, 15 December 2014 (UTC)

Article move discussion[edit]

See Talk:Š-L-M#Requested_move_18_December_2014. GregKaye 07:15, 18 December 2014 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ithiel[edit]

Hello, are there thoughts on the article Wikipedia talk:Articles for creation/Ithiel? I wasn't sure if this was the right place to ask about it. --TKK! bark with me! 04:16, 11 January 2015 (UTC)

WikiProject X is live![edit]

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Harej (talk) 16:57, 14 January 2015 (UTC)

Hebrew Date generator[edit]

I noticed a nifty template that can display the current date of the Muslim calendar (as seen on Islamic Calendar and I think it would be a good idea if we had one for the Hebrew calendar as well. Anybody have the experience/patience to design one? Anyone think this is a good/bad idea? Here is the link to the original (template:today/AD/SH/AH) and I display it in action on the right.

L'Shalom, Valley2city 16:03, 15 January 2015 (UTC)

Created at Template:Today/CE/AM by User Naraht (talk · contribs). See at right.

An ongoing discussion on the details has been moved to Template talk:Today/CE/AM, as the details more appropriately go there. StevenJ81 (talk) 02:02, 18 January 2015 (UTC)


My English is not good so I'm sorry in advance. Hi, there is a lot of disorganization in the Template:Jews and Judaism - also mixsing between jews, Judaism and Israel. Not Informative enough and too long.

Also, while surfing i have noticed some incorrect and even some Antisemitism infected values. like the Jews as the chosen people, when i have tried to fix it, Every time they canceled my editing (Also there is a need to add to that value that this idea of the Jews as the chosen people was a top Refueling source for anti-Semitism - Psychological projection, Oedipus complex, that have been used by everyone including Hitler. Read; Avi Beker, The Chosen: The History of An Idea, and the Anatomy of an Obsession, 2008).

I have started with Template:Jews and Judaism - that needs to be ERASED. Which mixed between Jews, Judaism and Israel, was to long and not informative enough.

Instead of Template:Jews and Judaism i have built the 2 Templates: Template:Jews in the world and Template:Judaism; History and Philosophy. Maybe there names also sould be changed(?)

I have noticed that there's also a Template:Antisemitism topics. So I'm going to delete the matter from - Template: Jews in the world and to move it to Template:Antisemitism topics.

It is necessary to decide what would be the topics of the Templates and to organize it all... After that the Templates should be add to all of the relevant values. DaoXan (talk) 19:06, 25 January 2015 (UTC)

Hi, welcome here. I think Template: Jews in the world is 1. too large to be useful 2. redundant to the also very large and all-inclusive Template:Jews and Judaism. That would hold true IMHO even for the reduced version of this template. Which is why I nominated both Template:Jews and Judaism and the split off Template:Judaism; History and Philosophy for deletion. Debresser (talk) 21:14, 25 January 2015 (UTC)
It's the same length as Template:Jews and Judaism and way more Informative and focused matter..
See also: Wikipedia:Templates for discussion/Log/2015 January 25
DaoXan (talk) 14:20, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
Then perhaps go to the talkpage of Template:Jews and Judaism and make some specific suggestions to improve that template. Debresser (talk) 20:17, 26 January 2015 (UTC)
I'm not sure what your criticism of Template:Jews and Judaism is. It mixes Jews and Judaism? Too long? I understand that English isn't your first language, but specific suggestions would be appreciated. Thank you. — Malik Shabazz Talk/Stalk 22:46, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

Articles concerning Judaism and open-source licensing and culture[edit]

Hello. To introduce myself, my name is Aharon. I'm a Jewish educator and community planner and outside of Wikipedia I direct a project that I founded called the Open Siddur. I've been working on improving several articles related to open-source and Judaism. One article, on Open-source religion, might lie just outside the scope of WikiProject Judaism, but the other article on Open Source Judaism is pertinent. It's been given a B-Class rating under WikiProject Judaism and WikiProject Jewish culture. I'd like to invite other wikipedia editors to scrutinize and improve all of these articles. Besides my work on these articles, I'm generally curious about efforts in the study of Judaism and the creation of Jewish culture which use open-source licensing to facilitate collaboration in user-generated content projects. (By open-source licensing, I'm referring to licenses such as the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike Open Content and copyleft license under which Wikipedia articles are shared.) My interest in this topic extends to the combined efforts of so many volunteers on Wikipedia as well as on Hebrew Wikisource and other local Wikimedia sites. I'm pleased to see that WikiProject Judaism itself was written about in a Signpost article in 2009. I'm interested in the history of this and similar efforts being documented, so that a history of what I believe to be an important effort be preserved. And so, I'd like to invite, to the degree that Wikipedia guidelines may permit, some discussion of WikiProject Judaism's own history among anyone interested. I invite this discussion with no other motive outside of my interest (which I hope is a shared mutual interest) in documenting history and culture. (If I have transgressed any Wikipedia guideline or convention in presenting this invitation for discussion, then please forgive me. Please receive this invitation in the open spirit in which I intended.) Aharonium (talk) 17:36, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

"Jewish" RSs[edit]

I am engaged in a chat on a talk page here with an editor who is of the view that Jewish RSs (e.g., The Forward) and presumably Israeli RSs (the conversation includes Haaretz) should not be relied on as refs for inclusion in text of an article of (certain?) Jewish subjects (such as whether a person is Jewish). The conversation may interest some of you. Epeefleche (talk) 05:14, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Seven Laws of Noah[edit]

This article mentions that one of the seven is a prohibition on homosexuality. What's the best Jewish source materials for Wikipedia for definitive lists, allowing for the usual dissent? Encyclopedia Talmudit and Jewish Encyclopedia both cite adultery, with no mention of homosexuality, and they're strong secondary sources. --Dweller (talk) 17:11, 27 January 2015 (UTC)

Actually, the Rambam says (Hilkhot Melachim 9:1) "giluy arayot", which means all illicit relations. Debresser (talk) 22:32, 27 January 2015 (UTC)
Machloket rishonim is great fun, but I think we'll need [a] secondary source[s]. Besides, as an aside, Rambam's comment just opens the question of what constitutes all illicit relations for people who do not have ol mitzvot. --Dweller (talk) 09:49, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
It is more a makhloket akhronim in this case. :) By the way, I would regard the Rambam as a secondary source as to the content of these commandments. You are right, that the article needs more detail what precisely constitutes illicit relations. All my books are still in cartons after I moved. For the time being I decided to make some changes to the article, to have the more general "illicit relations" there already. Debresser (talk) 10:17, 28 January 2015 (UTC)
That's helpful, thanks. --Dweller (talk) 10:29, 28 January 2015 (UTC)