Talk:J. Ezra Merkin/Archive 1

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POV

90% of his bio concerns the Madoff scandal. Looks like a hit job to me. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 22:16, 19 December 2008 (UTC)

  • We'll have to see how the scandal plays out. Today's NYT article [1] places Merkin near the heart of the scandal: " Some of the most prominent Jewish figures in high finance and industry began to court Bernie Madoff — and, through them, he reached a new orbit of wealth. He could not have had a more effective recruiter than Jacob Ezra Merkin, a lion of Wall Street who would be president of the Fifth Avenue Synagogue. ... some of his clients are stunned, and angry, to learn what Mr. Merkin did with their millions, while collecting an annual management fee of 1.5 percent of the assets for his services. ... Behind a wall of lawyers, Mr. Merkin did not take calls this week." --John Nagle (talk) 16:38, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Irrelevant to the POV problem.--brewcrewer (yada, yada) 18:29, 20 December 2008 (UTC)
Until December 19, he wasn't notable enough for an article. Now he has 1800 hits in Google News. Until this debacle, there were about 80 hits in Google News for "Ezra Merkin"; about half of those were for his father, and the others were brief mentions in various financial articles. His role in the scam generated far more notability than his entire previous life. --John Nagle (talk) 04:49, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
Not sure what you're getting at. My problem is the POV, not his lack of notability per WP:BLP1E. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:00, 21 December 2008 (UTC)
The point is that 90% of his notability is due to the scandal. That's news, not a "hit piece". --John Nagle (talk) 02:27, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Okay, fine. But you just make the strongest argument for deletion per WP:BLP1E, which was enacted for just this type of situation - a BLP of someone inherently unnotable. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 03:11, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
What is the problem? Before the Madoff scandal he was (arguably) unnotable, despite serving on two Universities' Boards, one of which is nationally renowned (Columbia). But now, he has indeed become notable, so he rates an article. Madoff himself may have been considered unnotable until now, but that too has changed. One of the prime advantages of having a Reference like Wiki is precisely that it is modified every day, to keep current with the latest information. The article does not seem to smack of POV, unless you feel it necessary to mention many of Merkin's previous philanthropic activities or some fininacial information on the Hedge Funds which he manages. 66.108.7.225 (talk) 05:17, 22 December 2008 (UTC) Nash's Owner
See WP:BLP1E. --brewcrewer (yada, yada) 05:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
Merkin "essentially remains a low-profile individual"? This is far too big for that. You can propose deletion if you disagree, of course. --John Nagle (talk) 21:46, 22 December 2008 (UTC)
I noticed there were some details pertaining to Mr. Merkin's involvement in that scandal that were not present in Madoff article so I say we take "wait and see" attitude. This is just beginning of a process in developing an article just like any others. I think we will have more stuff added here in near and far future as we can find more information about subject in question from other sources to add to his biography. As with any other biographical articles, I recommend adding personal life section and other usual sections commonly found in biography articles elsewhere on Wikipedia. --Legion (talk) 02:14, 24 December 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. There are various investigations and lawsuits pending, and either he'll be cleared, or eventually he'll have a Federal prisoner number, like Madoff. --John Nagle (talk) 19:09, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Calls for resignation at GMAC

Merkin is still CEO of GMAC, which was unable to get private refinancing last week and just turned itself into a bank so it can get into the TARP program. There are concerns about Merkin remaining at GMAC and calls for his resignation.[2]. --John Nagle (talk) 17:13, 26 December 2008 (UTC)

The U.S. Treasury is becoming GMAC's biggest shareholder, and Merkin looks to be on the way out, according to Business Week. "You can t be chairman of a finance company when you have been publicly crucified for not doing due diligence."[3] --John Nagle (talk) 03:53, 2 January 2009 (UTC)
The Financial Times now also says Merkin is on the way out. [4]. --John Nagle (talk) 05:36, 7 January 2009 (UTC)
So does Bloomberg. [5] --John Nagle (talk) 03:43, 9 January 2009 (UTC)
He resigned. --John Nagle (talk) 19:30, 16 January 2009 (UTC)

Non Madoff info. - for anyone maintaining this page.

  • Is Merkin related to the founder of modern orthodox jewery, perhaps this person Azriel Hildesheimer? He is the grandson of Isaac Breuer and the great great grandson of Samson Raphael Hirsch
  • Branch and node graph of Merkin. [6]
  • Contributed to Security Analysis: Sixth Edition, Foreword by Warren Buffett [9]. LOL Geo8rge (talk) 18:57, 27 December 2008 (UTC)

Teicher and Yuppie 5

Teicher was never Madoff's partner, nor was he one of the Yuppie 5. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 96.56.70.26 (talk) 17:21, 31 December 2008 (UTC)

That seems to be correct. The NYT cite didn't support the claim that Merkin was involved with the Yuppie Five or Teicher, and a quick search didn't turn up such a connection. So it's been removed from the article. --John Nagle (talk) 16:30, 1 January 2009 (UTC)
Hopfully users John Nagle and 96.56.70.26 will note that the truth eventually comes out. Why cover up this kind of thing? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.225.231.98 (talk) 00:02, 15 February 2009 (UTC)
Found a connection to Teicher and the Yuppie Five, in New York Magazine.[10]. --John Nagle (talk) 05:06, 17 March 2009 (UTC)

Charged with civil fraud

Merkin has just been charged with civil fraud.[11]. The article has been updated accordingly. --John Nagle (talk) 16:42, 6 April 2009 (UTC)

Sloppy editing

Please, when editing, use proper {{cite news}} templates. I just deleted a mess with unbalanced "ref" tags. All the Madoff-related articles suffer from sloppy linking, and it's taken a major effort to clean up Bernard Madoff and Madoff investment scandal, which have hundreds of references. If you put in a reference, do it right. Thanks. --John Nagle (talk) 16:48, 6 April 2009 (UTC)