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Islam an Kalki[edit]

Whoever posted the information on the connection between islam and Kalki is simply spreading a hoax please see (http://www.answering-islam.org/Hoaxes/kalkiavatar.html) to see the discussion in its entirety not the selective info that was placed. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.123.127.194 (talk) 08:34, 15 November 2007 (UTC)

Agreed, this is total nonsense and this hoax should be edited out. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.42.242 (talk) 18:09, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

Massive re-wording needed[edit]

The "When will Kalki come?" section feels like it's been taken word-for-word out of an ISKCON (Hare Krishna) text on the subject. I suspect that it might be plagiarized. That section needs to be heavily reworded and redone to conform to NPOV and to reflect the prophecy of Kalki as seen by all Hindus, not just ISKCON.

Also, what is with that stuff at the end about Kalki already being alive today? The way it is written, it feels like a prophecy itself, not a Wikipedia article about a prophecy. --141.156.221.9 21:27, 12 Jun 2005 (UTC)


It depends on the Hindu sect, but some believe Kalki was born as Ayya Vaikundar in 1809 CE. "This" Kalki was born from a mixture of a stillborn baby, the soul of the god Sampooranathevan, and the "ultimate Spirit" of Vishnu. There is even a tale which he clinses the earth of witches and demons (if I remember correctly). (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 03:42, 7 July 2006 (UTC))
I think it would be good if someone knowledgable can separate the info from the Hindu and Buddhist sides, as they vary quite a bit. Apparently, even within the various Hindu traditions there are considerable differences... I could try to help with the Buddhist view, but don't know anything about the Hindu perspective. rudy 11:06, 10 November 2006 (UTC)

Jesus's 2nd Coming (Very Similar to Hinduism)

Hey guys, you should check this out! According to the Book of Revelations in the Bible, Jesus's 2nd Coming is EXTREMELY Similar to Kalki's (the Avatar of Lord Vishnu) 10th Final Coming:

  • BIRTH DATE OF LORD KALKI :- 1ST JANUARY*

"In Revelations (19.11-16, & 19-21) it states:

"And I saw heaven opened, and behold a white horse; and he that sat upon him was called Faithful and True, and in righteousness he doth judge and make war. His eyes were as a flame of fire, and on his head were many crowns; and he had a name written, but no man knew but he himself. And he was clothed with a vesture dipped in blood: and his name is called The Word of God. And the armies which were in heaven followed him upon white horses, clothed in fine linen, white and clean. And out of his mouth goeth a sharp sword, that with it he should smite the nations: and he shall rule them with a rod of iron: and he treadeth the winepress of the fierceness and wrath of Almighty God. And he hath on his vesture and on his thigh a name written, KING OF KINGS, AND LORD OF LORDS. And I saw the beast, and the kings of the earth, and their armies, gathered together to make war against him that sat on the horse, and against his army. And the beast was taken, and with him the false prophet that wrought miracles before him, with which he deceived them that had received the mark of the beast, and them that worshipped his image. These both were cast alive into a lake of fire burning with brimstone. And the remnant were slain with the sword of him that sat on the horse." — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.56.26.214 (talk) 09:29, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

POV[edit]

I dislike references to Kalki as a myth as it presupposes the falsehood of Hindu beliefs. Speaking of Jesus as mythical would be offensive to Christians, and speaking of the Second Coming of the Messiah during the Apocalypse as myth is similarly politically incorrect. I have changed the use of the word myth.

The extreme editorializing should be toned down a bit on this page. Pjrich 07:40, 3 Dec 2004 (UTC)
I hope this problem is signifigantly less severe at the present time?
I think you're overthinking the meaning of the word "myth" - the very first definition Dictionary.com gave me is, "A traditional, typically ancient story dealing with supernatural beings, ancestors, or heroes that serves as a fundamental type in the worldview of a people, as by explaining aspects of the natural world or delineating the psychology, customs, or ideals of society." This does not involve falsity, but an archetype, namely of supernatural origin. Certainly an avatar of a god counts as supernatural, right? - MasterXiam 19:47, 18 September 2005 (UTC)

Religion ( Arya Vaidik Dharma ) Time calculation , calendar’s, and kings in present Kali yuga


In the running Christan calendar or world wide used calendar year of 2005 A.D the following is the position , status of other Indian dating years


a) Shalivahan calendar dating ( Used in Maharashtra State ) :- Year 1927 b) Vikram Savant calendar ( Used in north India ) :- year 2061-62 c) Hijaree ( The Islam religion calendar dating ) :- year 1426-27 d) Parshi or Parsi calendar dating( Zorashtrian religion calendar ) : Year 1374-75 e) Shiv shaka or King Shivaji’s calendar dating :- 331-32 f) Mahaveer calendar Savant ( Jain religion calendar ) :- year 2531-32 g) Kaliyuga calendar dating :- year 5107

According to Hindu religion there are four yuga’s

1) Satya yuga ( Kruta yuga ):- 17,28,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 2) Treta yuga :- 12,96,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 3)Dwapar yuga :- 8,64,000 Human year’s ( Has been passed ) 4) Kali yuga :- 4,32,000 Human year’s ( 5,106 years have been passed and 4,26,894 year’s to go )

Kali yuga started in 3,102 B.C. Today’s Year of Kali yuga in 2,005 A.D is 5,107

Six Shakakarte king in present Kaliyuga

This Kaliyuga is now running . It is 4,32,000 human years long. From this Kaliyuga 5,106 years have been passed untill the present year 2005 and 4,26,894 years are to go in future age .

Timeline of Kaliyuga calendar dating :-

1) Yudhishthir ( Dharmaraj ):- Ruled in Indraprastha (Capital city Delhi of India ) and started his own calendar dating in the year 3,102 B.C ( Before Jesus Christ or Christian or current Roman calendar dating ). He was the elder brother of Pandav of the great Indian war of Mahabharat . His dating continued for 3,044 years until king Vikrama , the second Shakkarta king broke it and started his own dating or the new Shaka .

2) King Vikrama :- Ruled in Ujjain city ( Present day Ujjain city in Madhyapradesh state of India ) in the year 57 B.C . He started his own calendar dating by breaking the old Yudhishthir Shaka . But his dating was continued only for 135 year’s as the third Shakakarta king King Shalivahan at Paithan city in Maharashtra state near by Aurangabad city came in power and broke the running Vikrama Shaka . Allthough in north India still the Vikrama Shaka is running , it is said that some kind of understanding or truce was fixed up between these two grate kings to continue both the calendar in their respective areas or nations .

3) King Shalivahan :- Ruled in the old city Paithan of Maharashtra state in the year 78 A.D. , that is after 78 years later Jesus Christ or the Christian dating started . The Maratha cast has a clan after this grate king . This king is mentioned in old Christian books as it is written that King Shalivahan had meet the founder of Christian religion ,The Jesus Christe himself on a tripe to grate Himalaya mountains. His Shaka will continue for 18,000 years that is for Eighteen thousand years. That comes to in the year 18,078 this Shalivahan Shaka will be broken , discontinued by the next coming Shakakarta king and his name is King Vijayabhinandan , who will happened on the banks of the river of Vaitarna in Thane district of near Bombay city or Mumbai city of Maharashtra state . Need not to say that this grate king Shalivahan was from Maratha cast. Any rational person can come to this conclusion. Historical evidence had it that the Satvahan alias Shalivahan ruled at Paithan city of Maharashtra in the time 30 B.C. TO 230 A.D.

4) King Vijayabhinandan ( coming ) :- This great king will happen on the banks of river Vaitarna probabely in Thane district of Maharashtra state . This place is near the Bombay alias Mumbai city . And the river Vaitarna folws in Thane district of Maharashtra state . He will break the King Shalivahan Shaka and start his own Shaka or the calendar dating . This is a kind or prophecy of Hindu religion . This king Vijayabhinandan will happen in year 18,078 A.D or after Jesus Christ . His Shaka will run , continue for 10,000 years . That does mean that in the year 28,078 A.D after Jesus Christ his Shaka or dating will be broken , discontinued by the next Shakakarta king Nagarjuna who will happen in the Bangal state of India. As this king Vijayabhinandan is to happen in the region of Maharshtra it is certain that he will be from Maratha cast.

5) King Nagarjun ( Coming ) :- He will be the fifth grate Shkakarta king of Kaliyuga. He will happen, appear in Bangal state of India in the year 28078 A.D . He will terminate the shaka or calendar of Vijayabhinandan and start his own calendar or shaka and that will continue for 4,00,000 years afterward.This Nagarjuna has the most long running calendar in Kaliyuga Shaka dating.

6) King Kalki ( coming ) :- He is the last and final shakakarta king of the Kaliyuga . As Hinu religion has predicted that there are ten Avatar of lord Vishnu , this king Kalki is the tenth and final avatar of that series . He is the final avatara who will end the present Kaliyuga and again start the cycle if yuga that is the Satya yuga will be started after this grand termination .Hindu religion has prediction that he will come on a white horse . This Kalki avatar will happen , appear in the region of Kolhapur of Maharashtra state in India . He will end the then running shaka of Nagarjuna and start his own shaka or dating or calendar in the year 4,28,078 A.D. His calendar or shaka will run for 821 years. Then perhaps the final day of judgement will come mentioned in christain religion. As This king is to happen in the state of Maharashtra it is obviously certain that he will be from Maratha cast.

Amma & Kalki[edit]

In southern India, near Chennai (Madras) there is an Ashram called Golden City. Situated in Andhra Pradesh, India. The couple is giving freely enlightment and healing energy called [[Deeksha]. Many people in the surroundings and around the world in the first years of this century experienced oneness consiousness through this movment.

I removed the above, since I couldn't understand it. Help, please? Sam_Spade (talk · contribs) 12:58, 28 Dec 2004 (UTC)

What could not be understood ? There is a Divine Couple in Golden City, near Chennai in South India called Sri Amma and Sri Bhagavan. Sri Bhagavan is adored as Kalki by thousands of people, since He inaugurated the Golden Age or SatyaYuga, in 2003 by giving Enlightenment or Oneness to mankind. Ordinary folk as a result now actually LIVE and experience the distilled essence of the Vedas - 'Tat Twam Asi' or 'I am That'. As more people are being enlightened everyday, a critical mass will be reached by 2012, when in one single tsunami-like wave all of humanity will experience Enlightenment as their reality. Whatever stories you may hear about the Puranas or sacred books about what Kalki should do, where he should be born etc, Sri Bhagavan here will retain the label 'Kalki', since he is capable of transmitting permanent and irreversible Enlightenment to Man. Hence I suggest, you should put this info back on the main section. Reference websites are http://www.onenessuniversity.org, http://www.experiencefestival.org

I was under the impression that Kalki was to be a young man, not an old man. - MasterXiam 19:52, 18 September 2005 (UTC)
I'm sorry to whomever for deleting you Kali Yuga "timeline", however, it already appears (in duplicate) towards the top of the discussion page. (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor!)

Gandhi as Kalki?[edit]

Are there any sources for this? Also, if there are, is the thinking mainstream enough to have it's own section here? I will change shortly unless I hear otherwise.--Pranathi 21:11, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

...That sounds like news to me. I do think Gandhi was great, but I seriously doubt he was Kalki. And I've never heard that before, so... no, I don't think it goes here. MasterXiam 09:14, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This "information" was originally added by someone at IP 24.12.174.42 (Comcast Cable Communications ILLINOIS-14). The ONLY "source" for this idea seems to have been speculation made at the "Sourceryforge.org" wiki's article on "The Fourth Horseman Theory", which had a link to it, "Averted apocalypse: Hitler, Stalin, Mao and Gandhi/Kalki", added by the same IP. The creator of THAT article (originally at "The Four Horsemen Theory") was also at IP 24.12.174.42. This apparently casual and perhaps somewhat facetious speculation hardly seems to have been a reliable source for notable encyclopedic information. ~ Xanthus 10:03, 10 January 2006 (UTC)
This so-called "speculation" was discussed by my "Indian Civilization" professor during our talks about Vishnu's many avatars several years ago. I am not the original poster of these claims, however, I'm sure my college professor knows what she is talking about! (!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 03:49, 7 July 2006 (UTC))

is Muhammad the Kalki?[edit]

One Muslim preacher has claimed that Muhammad is thought of as being the Kalki avatar. This lacks credence. Firstly, Kalki avatar refers to the incarnation of Lord Vishnu who is revered as the Supreme God by many Hindus, while Muhammad is merely a messenger of God. Hindus do not have any objection if muslims want to worship Muhammad as an incarnation of Vishnu. Secondly, there is no mention of Muhammad in any of the Hindu sacred scriptures. Bogus claims have arosen either from convenient translations or by usage of unreliable sources.

This looks very biased, instead of just stating that "there is no mention of Muhammad in any of the Hindu sacred scriptures", you could provide evidence as to why you are saying this. And I also read that a Hindu also claimed this, so "One Muslim preacher" isn't very accurate. This does not look biased at all. There ARE NO hindu books mentioning Muhammad. Does he have to print text of the hundreds of books as evidence?

Ismaali Khoja - most are Gujaratis - believe that age of Kali will be ruled from Mecca. Please note that personality of Kali is different than the Vishnu Avatar Kalki which will come 427,000 years from now. (annonymous)

Muhammad could claim the title Kalki, according to many University professors in the book Muhammad in Hindu Scriptures and Muhammad in World Scriptures Vol I and III claims Muhammad as Kalki, it could be true. It would be very rare to conclude that any Nazi or Adolf Hitler to even come close to Kalki. Even though it is mentioned, it is not proper because the 13 Prophocies could not be successfuly completed by Hitler or any Nazi. Some people even claim Guru Gobind Singh as Kalki Avatar however that needs to be researched. Most sources on this article are Websites not Books those are not reliable as the Books. for further information you can see this link http://www.aaiil.org/text/books/others/abdulhaqvidyarthi/muhammadworldscriptures3/muhammadworldscriptures3.pdf

Its an PDF link but all the refs are provided for the claims and in that website www.aaiil.org you can find more books and more reliable sources. they have great books --Padan (talk) 03:17, 7 June 2008 (UTC)

It is my opinion that this article should be about the Hindu origin and use of Kalki. All other connections, whether to Hitler or Muhammad or anyone, no matter how well sourced or not, are trivial to the topic and should not be a subsection here. A user who unfortunately doesn't seem inclined to discuss here had the idea of creating a new page for people claiming or believed to be the Kalki (see article's edit history). I consider this to be the correct way of going about it. Hoverfish Talk 14:23, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
Yeah ok, but Muhammad is already mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures not Hitler, Nazis or whomever. Its under Modern Day claims of Kalki so its good enough for an notable. Within the scholars and researchers most claim Muhammad, but in some areas some believe Guru Gobind Singh but according to the number of prophocies and the names and situataions, Muhammad would out range more claims then Guru Gobind. Still, Gobind Singh is not even mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures so its not much of an good notable claim. --Padan (talk) 23:53, 7 June 2008 (UTC)
This is not a forum for the speculation of whether Muhammad or Hilter is Kalki. The discussion page is used for the betterment of the article. Please feel free to add material to the page, but refrain from forum-like chatting. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Its most wise to mention somebody who is already mentioned in the Hindu Scriptures. Not no Bahá'u'lláh, Adolf Hitler or Aga Khan, who has no origin within the Hindu Scriptures. In this situation theres only two who should be notable enough for this either Muhammad or/n Guru Gobind Singh. According to the researchers, professors, doctors or any Sanskrit Scholar they claim Muhammad as the unbeatable Kalki with the completion of all numbers and situations of the Kalki Puran. The most popular known Modern Day Kalki, is Muhammad along with many supports for claims. Plus all these others who are in that section only have website sources not no scholar research nothing. --Padan (talk) 00:04, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

There is no doubt that Muhammad isn't Kalki as after Kalki's arrival there will be no sin left on this planet.While it is residing till now, undoubtedly he hasnot arrived —Preceding unsigned comment added by 117.254.235.253 (talk) 00:06, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

Stop posting duplicate info!!![edit]

I don't know who it is, but someone keeps on posting the same Kali Yuga timeline over and over again. Each post is huge, taking up valuable space from other wikipedians who actually wish to contribute something to the Kalki article. I have deleted two of the postings, but left one of them intact towards the top of the page. Whoever is doing this, PLEASE STOP!!!(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:57, 5 August 2006 (UTC))

Correlation between Kalki Avatar and Prophet of Islam[edit]

I believe this info should stay on the page ONLY if its sources are cited and it is rewritten with NPOV. I also think it should be shortened. It just sounds like the original poster is trying his/her best to "force-feed" their own personal beliefs on wikipedia. All areas involving Kalki should be explored, but none should be favored over another (except for India, which is its point of origin).

  • "Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhaiand the eight other eminent pundits" -- This person needs to be further explained.
  • "In religious books of Hindus, it is mentioned that the staple food of Kalki Avatar would be dates and olives and he would be the most honest and truthful person in the region. Without any doubt the Prophet Muhammad (SAW) is acclaimed to possess these qualities." -- Does this not sound like glorification to anyone?
  • "Pundit Vedaprakash Upadhai here draws the attention of Hindus that the real days of horses and swords have gone and the present time is of guns and missiles. So it would be foolish on the part of those who still expect Kalki Avatar, who should be an excellent rider and swordsman to come." -- I would hate my beliefs to be called "foolish"! This needs a workover as well.

These are just a few examples of what needs to be worked on.(!Mi luchador nombre es amoladora de la carne y traigo el dolor! 18:13, 16 August 2006 (UTC))

Deleted material from ma--Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)in article[edit]

I deleted the following from the page because it was unreferenced. "Interpretations” have no place in the article unless they come from a reliable source. The section in question has been tagged as needing references since August of 2006 and I can remember the same material being in the article long before I placed the tag:

The Kalki within

{{Unreferenced}}

Drawing on symbolic and metaphoric interpretations of the Buddhist Kalachakra, Shambhala, and Bodhisattva traditions at least as much as the Hindu prophecies, interpretations of the Kalki legends in ways that do not necessarily apply the designation "Kalki" uniquely to any particular person have arisen. In such interpretations "Kalki" is seen primarily as an archetypal symbol of what can be manifest in any person, whether man, woman, or child. [citation needed]

It is a designation of spiritual repose and vigor, a "beautiful life essence", impelling people to follow diverse and harmonious paths of virtue, rather than needlessly harsh and destructive paths of bigotry and narrow minded presumptions. To those who embrace this view the term Kalki can refer to an attitude or quality of awareness that will be manifest in many enlightened people, who perceive beyond Maya (the appearances of Space and Time) and into Eternity in ways that are both rational and mystical in nature. A level of Awareness where people become destroyers of the uncharitable ways of bigotry within themselves which would otherwise lead them to unjustly oppress others, and limit themselves.

In such interpretations everyone who is enlightened enough to follow the ways of ultimate honesty and ultimate love can be declared to be an honorable manifestation of Vishnu the preserver of Life, and Kalki the Destroyer of Foulness … but no one person can be declared to be the ultimate manifestation…or the ultimate teacher for all people. There are many ways to point out some of the worst confusions that afflict human minds and souls, and for anyone to think that there is only one greatest and most perfect way for all, (which is of course their own), and that all others must be scorned, shunned, denigrated and vilified is itself one of the worst and most dangerous confusions that afflict many who are spiritually weak, ignorant, cowardly and vain.

It is emphasized that much is required in many spiritual paths, but the most important of all requirements are the will to speak the truth, and the capacity to love any who perceive the truth and become devoted to it, no matter how troublesome, misguided, dishonest and dangerous they may initially be. One can not force change upon others, but one can give them the information and opportunity by which they can come to desire beneficial change themselves.

Each person who is wisely charitable, "riding the white horses" of fate's flow, and wielding the deceit destroying "sword" of honesty can become a "Kalki" — a destroyer of such foulness as could dwell within themselves first and foremost, that they may more ably assist others in destroying the capacities for evil within themselves.[citation needed]

Each person is considered a potential spiritual ruler of their own manifest span of mortal life, a universe to themselves connected to all others by bonds of awareness and sympathy; a person of utmost integrity, perceiving many connections between all people, all events, all ideas and all souls, and therefore affirming that respect for the individual integrity of all other mortals as an imperative of their own. The Kali Yuga can end within them, no matter how long it may persist in others, and a Satya Yuga of wisdom begins within their life, enabling them to help others to find their own unique paths towards enlightenment, and into their own ranges of contentment.[citation needed]

(Ghostexorcist 22:35, 21 December 2006 (UTC))

Never mind. No one has ever provided sources for the above material, so it will never make it back in. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:26, 1 May 2008 (UTC)

Hey Wikipedia[edit]

Can you take it a bit easy with what people write on these pages —Preceding unsigned comment added by Phalanxpursos (talkcontribs) 22:49, 19 November 2007 (UTC)

The Muhammad info was uncited and a previous editor provided this webpage that disproves the connection between Kalki and the prophet. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 00:00, 20 November 2007 (UTC)

Kalki (novel)[edit]

This article about the Hindu Kalki. Thus images of Kalki (novel) is WP:UNDUE to the novel. The image is also not a true representation of the Hindu Kalki, combining elements of Shiva, Nataraja and Kalki iconography to form a composite image.

Also things like Kalki (novel) need in the disambig of Kalki and need not be mentioned here too. --Redtigerxyz (talk) 10:32, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Kalki or Krishna?[edit]

User:Rwnaseem continues to add material to the Maitreya claimants section about a Muslim leader that claims to be Krishna. The sources they provide do not mention Kalki at all, only Krishna. Therefore, I believe it belongs on the Krishna page. I have asked them to find better sources that mention Kalki, but they continue to rely on the old sources. In addition, I have warned them several times that the material is wrong and that continual reversion of the page is a violation of WP:3RR.

I have started this thread in the hopes that they will discuss the problem. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 04:39, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

I have checked the the article for Mirza Ghulam Ahmad, the religious leader in question, and it does not mention anything about Krishna or Kalki. My deletions of the material is based solely on the fact that the citations do not mention Kalki at all (like I said above). User:Rwnaseem continues to add the material. I have added another vandalism warning to his page. I am most positive that he will add it again. So, the next time he does so, I will be going to the admin page to report him. I just hope the admin can mediate without having to block the person. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 14:08, 14 February 2008 (UTC)

Guru Gobind Singh[edit]

Needs ref: removed " Guru Gobind Singh of Sikh origin is claimed to be the Kalki Avatar. "--Redtigerxyz (talk) 13:36, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

removal of material[edit]

I have started this discussion in the hopes of coming to an agreement. Let me start by asking why the book cover is being removed along with the other material? --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

For me, the book cover and the reference to Savitri Devi are not an issue. I do have a problem however with coming to a page about Kalki to find a reference on some politician called Alejandro Biondini in Argentina who reportedly claims to be Kalki, with an external link to the site of a political party in Spanish. It certainly looks like spam to me, to put it mildly. Hoverfish Talk 19:55, 19 May 2008 (UTC)

Why has Savitri Devi's conception of Hitler as Kalki been removed? Not only is it a Kalki Claimant by someone(Savitri Devi, not Adolph Hitler if there was confusion. The Claimant is by her for Hitler. And one could argue he is probably, if they consider The Kalki Prophesy a little more esoteric and researched his life well enough, e.g. it says Kalki will eat olives and dates as staple food, as it says in a section of this talk on Muhammad as Kalki quoting, this could be taken esoterically as vegitarianism, as Adolph Hitler was a vegetarian, dates and olives meaning fruits and vegtables, or maybe Adolph Hitler did eat precicly those.) well respected in Neo-Nazi and Esoteric Nazi circles, but well respected outside those frameworks as a writer and by many in the the LNSGP(Libertarian National Socialist Green Party). Her works were substantial the in non-Strasserist(spelling error?) Nazism revival. Yet her theory now appears deleted. Why is this? HistoricalRevisionist (talk) 01:18, 18 December 2008 (UTC)

Suggest a new page just for non-Hindu Kalki beliefs[edit]

I do'nt think "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy" is a good title as thesse aren't as much newly made prophesies, but modern claimants of fulfilling the Hindu one that is old. I propose a page called Kalki Claimants and then a link toward that with see also. Or another possibility "People who have bee considered Kalki." See for example os this...

Maybe this would make this page about Hindu idea and still there can be a full page about others that want to be Kalki or of whom others have claimed this of them. So this is the Hindu concept that includes that Kalki must be born in a Brahmin family and etc. Also just that a person has written a boook does not make it a belief that pepole have. Not many that I know worshop Mohammad as Kalki or Hitler. Not even neonazis I think have this view. So it is maybe only a book. Please discuss these suggestions. YOu asked me to discuss. Vedantahindu (talk) 12:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

As said above, I'm for the idea of a separate page for claimants, whatever the title. Glad you decided to discuss instead of edit warring. Hoverfish Talk 15:25, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
Hitler did not clame to be Kalki Dasavatara. So he is not really claimant of that. So it might be more right to say "People who have been considered Kalki". Does this sound good?? If it is then I can make a page like that if everyone is okay with that. Vedantahindu (talk) 16:31, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Some do clame and some do not clame. It says Alejandro Biondini does claim this. But do not think Bahá'u'lláh because he was of Islam faith. But maybe considered covers these too more than claimants. In article it could say clamed by themselves or others.Vedantahindu (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Should we wait for Ghostexorcist to say okay? He puts it all back over and over so I don't just want to have it here and then another page for it too. That would be no point. Do you see this? Is Ghostexorcist okay with this idea? No one can put without your permission since you are very strong. Vedantahindu (talk) 18:45, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
There is not enough material to make a separate page. It would be deleted in a heart beat by an admin or another editor who doesn't think it meets the notability guidelines. I don't own this page at all, I'm just protecting it from people who try to slant the page towards their own point of view. For a similar situation see this thread. You will see that an admin had to step in to stop an overzealous editor who deleted material based on his own bias. I only want the page to be balanced. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
And do you consider this in-text link to a political party's website, written in Spanish, as proper sourcing for Mr. Biondini's claim? Hoverfish Talk 19:26, 8 June 2008 (UTC)
The lanaguage is not the problem. If it does not mention Kalki, then delete the entry. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

How is making a site about a Hindu concept be about the Hindu aspects of this a personal slant? It seems more like a Hindu slant for a Hindu concept. And then have the other non-Hindu forms and ways it is used outside Hinduism be a page of its own as is done in cases named above. None of them have been deleted. Yes you don't own the page, you just protect it from people like me. I understand. YOu are doing good work. But maybe there could be another page called "Kalki (Hinduism)" and that one maybe could be about the Hindu concept as in the Vedas, not in modern forms outside of Hindu scripture. I ccould perhaps get help from Wikproject Hinduism for that site. Would you need to protect it too from us giving it Hindu slant that is personal. There are a billion Hindus, and one lady that wrote a book that you protect. It feels to me that is a lot more personal than Hinduism. So what about a page about the Hindu concept? Vedantahindu (talk) 19:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Why am I asked to speak here when I am told that anything I do will be changed, and a new page removed by an adminstrator like another site. And that this one does not own but protects from me? What value is there in this talking here? I can't see it. Please explain to me. I am new. Vedantahindu (talk) 19:48, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

It slants the page because you refuse to cover every side of the issue. The simple fact is that there is just not enough material to make up a sub-article worth keeping. Take the Kali page for example. There is a section called "In New Age and Neopaganism". There have been several attempts to remove it from the page in the past. It might make a good sub-article, but, right now, there is not enough material. Should we remove that from Kali because other editors disagree with her inclusion in Neo-Paganism? No. It balances out the page because it highlights views outside of Hinduism. Anyway, I have written several Hindu related articles and I belong to both Wikiprojects Hindusim and Hindu mythology. I think my participation with those projects and my willingness to keep the non-Hindu material on this page shows my impartiality.
I have reverted your edits in the past because you cite the material as being racist. Please explain to me how the material is racist. I see no mention of racial slurs against Hindus. The section just talks about Nazi leaders being seen as Kalki. What about mentions of Muhammad or the Bahai faith? Are these racist as well? I'm afraid Wikipedia would be littler more than a brochure if editors were freely allowed to remove whole sections just because it contrasts with their own ideologies. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:46, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

I see you are feeling very impartial, and how you feel is probably exactly that. Either you have not much time for checking into claims of Kalki or you are are being carefully selective, and 'chery picking.' Samael Aun Weor also says he is Kalki and is believed by some and more so than of Hitler. So this is a kind of chery picked impartiality you enjoy. But there are other problems and I am afraid to fix as you are so strong and big of mind as you have explained to me. These are them. Since you are the gaurd of this page I hope you will attend to them. 1. There is a spacing problem in the section Clames of Being Kalki. 2. "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy" makes no sense and is a contradiction. Is this postdiction? Do you understand? 3. Why are books on this page that are in the disambiguation page repeated here? One has a reference that is the site itself, listed as reference 13. Is this how we do this on Wikipedia? 4. "Claims of Being Kalki" does not apply to Hitler as he did not make this claim? Is it possible only this writer has this belief? There is a policy against putting views with almost no adherents in Wikipedia.

Why are you so sure another article on this "People who are believed to be Kalki" would be small and removed? It has not been tried yet. Some of these others are doing okay and at the beginning it will be a stub. Is there a policy against stubs now? Is there a minimum length for a stub? Can you direc t me to this policy wise sir who is so much big and very great and of much mind. Vedantahindu (talk) 23:20, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Sarcastic remarks aside (though flattering in some remarks as they were), I have written 18 articles and edited countless others. I'm not saying all of my articles are gems, but I have the experience to know when an article will or will not be successful. I think you are assuming way too much when you claim I'm postdicting or cherry picking. My comments concerning the success of the sub-article was based on the small amount of entries already present on the page. I never claimed to know all of the people who have claimed to be Kalki. Feel free to add more to the page. Even if you did create such an article, you still have to place a link in the “see also” section and guidelines state “See also section should be worked into the text where possible, and usually removed from the See also list unless that would make them hard to find” (WP:See also). So the claiments would still have to be mentioned in some form on the page.
I’m glad you have decided to compromise. It usually takes another editor’s comments before some people understand the issue. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 18:12, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
You both need to compromise. Imho, Savitri Devi's idea that "Hitler was Kalki" is rather notable while otoh no sort of notability is established for the Biondini stuff. Either way, mention of this stuff should be kept brief. I don't think there is enough material to warrant a branching out of a "Kalki claimants" sub-article. Just keep it here, the short list doesn't hurt the article. I have removed Biondini but not Savitri Devi as a compromise suggestion. dab (𒁳) 16:31, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Thank you dab. I think your clean-up makes it better and I can accept this compromise. Vedantahindu (talk) 16:41, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Savitri Devi is notable. Her theory is discussed in some detail in Goodrick-Clarke's Hitler's Priestess on pp.124-5, and he talks about Claudio Mutti's and Miguel Serrano's recapitulations of the idea on p.218 and p.221. The much longer section about Muhammad, however is poorly sourced. This seems to come from one "Ved Prakash Upaddhay", who looks to be a Muslim convert, but I can't be sure. His book also seems to claim that Muhammad was also predicted in Buddhist scriptures and is cited in the Maitreya article. This seems to be a feature of Muslim apologetics [1]. It's difficult to be clear how notable these sources are. Paul B (talk) 23:21, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
My edit has just been reverted with the unintelligable comment "doesnt need to be in detail if so then all prophicies should be listed meaning new page for Kalki and Muhammad." Thsi does no explain the remocal of bulleting which was for stylistic consistency, and let's be clear. It is Muslim apologists, not some generic "many scholars", who say this. Also user NanaKesh17 seems to have suddenly materialized from nowhere to make these edits. Paul B (talk) 23:33, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
That information seems to be well sourced. You shuold double check the reference before writing yuor comment here. The information for the claim is from all Sanskrit University professor/doctors. If you want more sources than go research for an reliable source or any Wiki notable like Zakir Naik or Abdul Haq Vidyarthi. The Muhammad was alerady discussed earilier, you should leave comments into the Muhammad section not here. It seems to be better sourced than the Adolf Hitler or the Nazi claims. --NanaKesh17 (talk) 23:43, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
Not really, the notability of these people has not been confirmed. Their books are published by Islamic presses. The footnotes make no sense. The last one does not even refer to a book. The text mentions a book called "Muhammad as the Final Avatar" which is not footnoted and which cannot be found on Google. The only edit I made was to a add a bullet-point for stylistic consistency, so I've no idea what you are arguing. However the whole passage is problematic. Paul B (talk) 23:51, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
That book was researched by the Sanskrit University and other Academys it says in the ref. Thats equally sourced next to the others that are in that section. You can always find more refs and investagate more eventually all sources point to the same summary. --NanaKesh17 (talk) 00:03, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
There should be some kind of section or an list of comparision for the claims of Kalki and the prophcies to claim the title Kalki. --NanaKesh17 (talk) 30:00, 9 June 2008 (UTC)
There's no reason why thee should not be a section on this claim, but the footnotes have to be clear and the arguments have to be fully attributed to the relevant writers. I've tried to clarify the prose. Please indicate what his book "Muhammad as the Final Avatar" is and who wrote and publishes it. Paul B (talk) 00:04, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Its already written in the ref. and another ref that can be provided is the Kalki Puran which lists the details of the Kalki and situations. The book Muhammad in Hindu Scriptures was researched by Sanskrit Scholars who listed their contact names and areas, if you want to know more go ask them i dont know how much more sources you need. The Sanskrit academy only researches sanskrit thats the most reliable in religious situations. --NanaKesh17 (talk) 00:29, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
You are not making any sense. There was no book of that title in the footnotes! There was a book called Muhammad in Hindu Scriptures not a book called "Muhammad as the Final Avatar" . You need to cite the details. It is published by a Muslim press. That Muhammad is mentioned in the Puranas is not disputed, but these texts are not reliably ancient. There are no "contact names". Paul B (talk) 10:46, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

I've done my best to find out what this book is that is being referred to here apparently under two separate titles: which keep changing from text to footnote. This seems to be the most reliable information about it [2]. It seems that this very obscure 1970 booklet has been picked up by publishers of Islamic apologetics and translated and reprinted under various titles. The author's status seems to increase dramatically to that of a university professor and international scholar through some form of Chinese Whispers. The text referred to is not, as far as I can tell, published by "Sanskrit Prayag University" (indeed Prayag did not have a university until decades after the book was originally published). It seems to be published - in the English version - by the Islamic Book Trust.[3] As far as I can see this is the only source for the Muhammad-Kalki connection, though I don't doubt that several Islamic writers have repeated its claims. Paul B (talk) 11:14, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

It's possible that the contributing editor got the information from this geocities site which reproduces an English version of the text along with some of the names that appeared in fragmentary footnotes.[4] Paul B (talk) 12:19, 10 June 2008 (UTC)
Agreed. We can go on and on about other religions claiming that they are Kalki. I'm sure every other religion and people who support such theories have come up with how their Messiah/God/Prophet/etc is/was Kalki. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.247.42.242 (talk) 18:13, 13 December 2008 (UTC)

citing sources[edit]

I noticed there were some sources cited in this article. Editors may want to check out {{cite book}} and {{cite web}}. It may help improve the look of the article if you use these. If there is consensus, and if people want me to, I can switch them over.--Rockfang (talk) 00:17, 10 June 2008 (UTC)

Gurus as "Kalki(s)"[edit]

Not too long ago there was a deletion "drive" of non-notable gurus, some of whom claimed to be avatars of deities including Vishnu, and a few of whom (at least one, but I think there were more) claimed to be Kalki. There are certainly many of these "gurus" (leaders, whatever you choose to call them) who claim to be Kalki. While they themselves may not be notable, not only because of their extremely small groups of followers but also the large number of them, should it be noted somewhere in the article that such gurus exist and self-proclaim themselves as Kalki? Presumably this would be in the "Modern interpretations of the Kalki prophecy" section, since these people are indeed modern-day gurus. If I am not mistaken, there was also at least one, probably more, scriptural reference to multiple false avatars (presumably including people falsely claiming to be Kalki) - should this be noted as well? (I don't have the exact reference(s) but would appreciate if someone could find them.) --Shruti14 t c s 22:56, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

See the article List of people who have been considered avatars. It might be more appropriate to put them there. While many say they are avatars, close inspection shows that very few say they are specifically Kalki. 72.204.47.141 (talk) 23:04, 2 August 2008 (UTC)

Kalki avatar[edit]

I like reading about this topic. Very knowledgeable information. My question is that ..can anyone give any documentry proof or some important information? Like it seems like we are at the end of kal yug and demons are all over. Everyone knows and all those things were mentioned in kal yug are happening these days. So please provide some information...about it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 69.203.159.174 (talk) 14:08, 15 October 2008 (UTC)

Jesus's 2nd Coming is EXTREMELY Similar to Kalki so, kalki will born on 1st january. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 101.56.26.214 (talk) 09:09, 10 December 2014 (UTC)

Shambalam is a kingdom on modern orissa, India[edit]

Read this article in wikipedia on sambalpur. Please do not change anything there. That weblink is http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sambalpur —Preceding unsigned comment added by Ureddy (talkcontribs) 00:24, 28 October 2009 (UTC)

kalki willbe born when he is supposed to ,but the please don't compare to any person.our life span is too tiny than that of these yughas so we can't just talk of it. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 115.184.151.55 (talk) 13:30, 3 January 2010 (UTC)

England, future birth place of Kalki's wife?[edit]

From Indian point of view, "Island of Lions" can means Punjab (region of Brave persons) or Lucknow (city of Nawaab...as Lion is also Nawaab(king) of forest). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 106.205.108.151 (talk) 17:17, 13 June 2012 (UTC)

I started this discussion because the anon editor who continues to add material to the page (based on a synthesis of two sources) has failed to do so. I have invited them to the talk page at least twice on the different I.P. addresses that they keep on hopping to.

So far the editor's only evidence is the fact that a prophetic work says Kalki's wife will be born in a place known as the "Island of the Lion." Since England is also known by the same name, they just assume this must be the place. Instead of finding a source explicitly making the connection, they have, in the past, just linked to a picture of the British flag and, more recently, linked to a web page that does not mention Kalki at all. I have tried to explain proper citing procedure, but they have chosen to ignore this.

A good source would be one by a recognized Indian philosophy/religion or comparative literature professor who actually suggests Kalki's wife will be born in England --Ghostexorcist (talk) 16:36, 18 September 2010 (UTC).

Agree this has no base in reality...there is clearly and uneducated assumption being introduced into the article.Moxy (talk) 16:47, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

~ Kalki Purana, I[3], Verses 9 & 10

The wife of Kalki is named Padma who lives in Sinhala, which is commonly known as Sri Lanka. However, as I mentioned before, this may be an allegorical reference to an island nation, separate from his own country. In his endeavour to conquer the "Buddhists" and other kings, he will be assisted by two kings allied to him, apart from the king of the country in which he is born to and many other friends.

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/hindu.htm

England is a island with fresh waters.
Heathrow airport is the worlds busiest airport.
Queen of england has lions on its flags.
Buckingham palace has huge gates and beautiful stuctures.
All the countries in Commonwealth their flags are also there in one of the palaces.
England is in top 25 highly dense population per square mile.
Wife of kalki is fairer then him, makes perfect sence she is british and thus white.

http://kalkiyug.blogspot.com/2009/11/is-lord-kalki-predicted-in-book-of.html —Preceding unsigned comment added by September2010 (talkcontribs) 17:19, 18 September 2010 (UTC)

Blogs and personal pages are never reliable sources so may not be used. This isn't open to a consensus discussion. Yworo (talk) 17:23, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
The worst part about the quote is that it is a comment from a random reader of the blog. It is just an assumption. The person who wrote the comment could possibly even be the anon-turned-newly registered user who keeps on adding this cruft to the page. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 22:51, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
Probably. I think (hope) they are gone now. Yworo (talk) 22:55, 18 September 2010 (UTC)
I sense WP:OR in the arguments of September2010. Also, the ref is not a WP:RS. --Redtigerxyz Talk 10:31, 19 September 2010 (UTC)

"This island was situated far across the ocean, and thus surrounded by water on all sides It was thickly populated, many airplanes were seen there, and it shone with the splendor of countless jewels and gold"

"The city was decorated with many palaces and massive gates On top of the gates and palaces were placed colorful flags that increased the beauty of the island There were assembly houses, raised platforms, memorials, domed buildings, and concrete roads Indeed, there was no end to the beauty of this magnificent city" -

Sri Kalki Purana by Sri Krsna Dvaipayana Vyasadeva  — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.40.248.142 (talk) 14:56, 23 February 2014 (UTC) 

KALKI is lord Virabhadra he takes birth in human form as Madiwala .[edit]

Madiwala Machideva took birth in the twelveth century with Basvanna as religious reformer in karnataka he wrote vachanas ending with god name kalideva.sharanas of that century called him as incarnation of lord virabhadra.he used to carry sword with him with yellow showl which is the symbol of lord kalki.he took his next birth in 17th,19th &20th century as Madiwala in various places north karnataka. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 122.179.16.12 (talk) 14:18, 20 November 2010 (UTC)

12th day of Aries?[edit]

As of 2009, the sun appears in Aries from April 19th to May 13th. This would make the 12th day of Aries be May 1st or so.

This is is an important Sabbath in the Wheel of the Year, called Beltane. It is also known as May Day, and it is approximately 40 days after Ostara, AKA Easter. Interestingly, the Ascension of Jesus takes place 40 days after easter.

Kalki is said to ride on a White Horse, just like the hero from Revelations. Interestingly, there are said to be 25 Kalki Kings of Shambhala. If the 25th is the final Avatar, there would be 24 elders before him.

Also, it is interesting that he is born in the sign of the Lamb. This is perhaps related to stories of the golden fleece as well.

Blazeitup52 (talk) 17:01, 11 June 2011 (UTC)

I bet I can guess how your night went, leading right up to the moment you posted that comment. Parsh (talk) 11:33, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
The Ascension of Jesus was the last day of the Omer, whihc if the Lunar and Solar cycles where In-sync would be in June. Passover would be the 14th of Aries. The Villain of Revelation also rides a White horse, as seen when the first Seal is opened.

Date discrepancy[edit]

There is a discrepancy between this article and another Wikipedia article entitled "Gupta Empire." In the section of this article entitled "The prophecy and its origins" the first sentence reads:

"One of the earliest mentions of Kalki is in the Vishnu Purana, which is dated generally to be after the Gupta Empire around the 17th century B.C.[4] " 17th century B.C. is 1700  to 1601 years before birth of Christ. (Before common era)

However the Wikipedia article on the Gupta Empire describes it as after birth of Christ:  "The Gupta Empire (Sanskrit: गुप्त साम्राज्य, Gupta Sāmrājya) was an ancient Indian empire which existed from approximately 320 to 550 CE and covered much of the Indian Subcontinent.[1] "

Avvocato53 (talk) 00:20, 11 June 2012 (UTC)

Mess[edit]

I have rewritten a large portion of the article and cleaned it up significantly. The dominant part of the article right now is about 5-7 pages of transcribed puranas with word for word translation and an anonymous Wikipedia author's own Hindi lessons and commentary. This obviously classifies as original research. I am going to filter through it for useful information and parse it down significantly. Parsh (talk) 09:25, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

Good old discussion that I would like to reopen[edit]

I do'nt think "Modern variations of the Kalki prophecy" is a good title as thesse aren't as much newly made prophesies, but modern claimants of fulfilling the Hindu one that is old. I propose a page called Kalki Claimants and then a link toward that with see also. Or another possibility "People who have bee considered Kalki." See for example os this...

Maybe this would make this page about Hindu idea and still there can be a full page about others that want to be Kalki or of whom others have claimed this of them. Vedantahindu (talk) 12:42, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

There is not enough material to make a separate page. It would be deleted in a heart beat by an admin or another editor who doesn't think it meets the notability guidelines. I don't own this page at all, I'm just protecting it from people who try to slant the page towards their own point of view. For a similar situation see this thread. You will see that an admin had to step in to stop an overzealous editor who deleted material based on his own bias. I only want the page to be balanced. --Ghostexorcist (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Some do clame and some do not clame. It says Alejandro Biondini does claim this. But do not think Bahá'u'lláh because he was of Islam faith. But maybe considered covers these too more than claimants. In article it could say clamed by themselves or others.Vedantahindu (talk) 16:35, 8 June 2008 (UTC)

Those were xcellent point by Vedantahindu and Ghostexorcist from 4 years prior. There should be a subsection listing people who have claimed the title of Kalki -- this would be more comprehensive and complete. I am first rewriting it, but this would be a good direction for down the road, especially if anyone has specific knowledge (PLEASE: do not start copying and pasting the proselytizing Islamic propaganda pamphlet that this article was vandalized with a few years ago). Parsh (talk) 11:24, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Looking more closely at the article, I realize this has already been done in the section 'Modern Interpretations of Kalki prophecy'. Cleaned it up.Parsh (talk) 15:04, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

The link for note 13[edit]

http://ww-iii.tripod.com/hindu.htm

The page only stays for like 30 seconds and then redirected to some lame Nostradamus page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.144.34.210 (talk) 10:06, 29 September 2013 (UTC)

Good catch. I'm not sure if it's even a reliable source in the first place but I'll add an archive link for now. – FenixFeather (talk)(Contribs) 18:41, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

krishna is kalki[edit]

i think the lord krishna is kalki. because he is god and it's only possible for him to play kalki avatar's role — Preceding unsigned comment added by 103.230.104.8 (talk) 19:44, 29 July 2014 (UTC)

@103.230.104.8: If you want to include that in the article, you'll need to provide a reliable third party source. – FenixFeather (talk)(Contribs) 18:39, 31 July 2014 (UTC)

Clean up[edit]

Wow, this was a hot mess. I cleaned up some of the cruft. Bearian (talk) 18:31, 17 December 2014 (UTC)