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Lisa Marie Girman received an Honorable Discharge August 2004. She was NOT found guilty of anything and her innocence was proven in a hearing. She is in the Army reserves and is a Master Sgt. Justice Prevailed.

Check the facts, then get back to me[edit]

Reservists Cleared:

http://www.usatoday.com/news/world/iraq/2005-08-19-reservistscleared_x.htm

I stand corrected (blush). The annoymous poster should have pasted that link Nobunaga24 22:56, 21 February 2006 (UTC)[reply]

Discharge clarification[edit]

A "Dishonorable discharge" is one given as a result of a court-martial conviction. It is part of the punishment for a crime. More importantly, ONLY a court-martial can give a Dishonorable Discharge. In this case, it looks like two things happened. One: She received Non-judicial punishment, which is not a criminal conviction. In her case, the NJP may have been done by a general officer because Girman was a high ranking NCO. We do not know what sort of punishment was handed out. The second procedure was probably a Separation Board for misconduct. It, too, is an administrative proceeding that determines if the service member stays in the service. Typically these boards are held for drug use, poor performance, convictions in civilian courts. They do not punish the service member -- only "fire" them. They can characterize the discharge as "honorable", "general", or "other than honorable". In this case it looks like a separation board kicked her out of the reserves with an OTH discharge. It is not the same as a Dishonorable Discharge. With her rank and time in service, the board decision would have to be approved by the Secretary of the Army. Again, the news stories do not discuss this as these are technical details of Army administrative law.--S. Rich (talk) 22:15, 20 September 2010 (UTC)[reply]