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Where is any information about the UC budget problems?


Previous versions of Yudof's page included references to criticism of his work at the University of California. All of these references have been deleted as of 28 September 2009. (See Kliner916 edits in the "history" page of this article.) This seems unethical, given that none of those references were libellious, and they were all properly cited. -- 4 October 2009.

I concur with the above remarks of 4 oct 2009 regarding the removal of previously posted, highly relevant, critical materials. Without inclusion of said material the entry is a joke, and may as well have been written by Yudof or the UC system. A great disservice is done by allowing the powers that be dictate their version of the truth to the public via Wikipedia. For shame! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.188.13.101 (talk) 01:05, 26 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]

scrubbing?[edit]

looks like Palin's PR firm may have been hired here- no discussion of the pay scandal involving President Dynes and Linda Morris Williams -- which Yudof had to address early on in office:

Severance, new UC job for aide in pay scandal http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/11/26/MNBB14D1B4.DTL

UC admits misleading public about buyout-taker http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2009/02/08/MNJC15O8QR.DTL

UC chief changes buyout policy http://www.sfgate.com/cgi-bin/article.cgi?f=/c/a/2008/12/03/MNH614GCU0.DTL

there is also no discussion of the protests that have occurred at Yudof's home and offices:

http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/education/july-dec09/feehikes_11-20.html

http://abclocal.go.com/kgo/story?section=news/education&id=7134953

http://newsroom.ucla.edu/portal/ucla/regents-meeting-112756.aspx

it would be a shame if we have to turn to the discussion pages for articles in order to find some neutrality and objectivity.

In reading the other comments here - it looks as though the content was posted and somehow conveniently removed ... --4rousseau (talk) 23:59, 30 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • We need to amend the article, despite the obvious self-promotion of it. The man is a very controversial figure in California, and there is NO mention of it in the article. Not mention of criticism section or anything. Simply amazing. The Scythian 19:56, 1 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I have to admit, this is one of the most biased articles I've ever seen on Wiki and it's a shame that while one side is letting a lot of obviously non-neutral pass, most edits critical of Yudof are removed under some flimsly excuse that's it's not neutral or relevent. Ahem . . . In that light, anyone want to apply why the article reads like the man's CV and even minor publications are listed while significant controversies are minimized if not removed. Shame what people will do to Wiki to promote their agenda. Can we take a community vote on this?

Donselma (talk) 05:27, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

And speaking of scrubbing, I was very surprised that Wiki entry never mentioned where Yudof was born and raised--Phila, PA--until I just added it today. This despite fact that Yudof brandished his working class "West Philadelphia" background in dialogue listed below in this page. Mwprods (talk) 21:37, 21 January 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Resignation[edit]

It seems that this individual has resigned as President of the UC. <url>http://markyudof.com/</url>

I cannot determine the accuracy of this, and am not up to altering the article to reflect it, so I ask that someone else do such.75.80.182.75 (talk) 07:06, 3 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

I don't know how relevant this is, but the discussions I've had with other grad students here at UC Santa Barbara is that the markyudof.com website is a prank. Too bad, in my opinion; I'd love to see this no-talent ass-clown unemployed, but ... in the interest of encyclopedic objectivity, I wouldn't update the information yet. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Pmooney78 (talk • contribs) 01:36, 7 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Scythian77's edits[edit]

The comment "He acts like that's a noble act" is POV. This comment as well as "Students are outraged" are unsourced. Just putting them back into the article again and again does not make these comments objective and sourced. Logical Cowboy (talk) 18:44, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Edits such as this one are introducing POV and unsourced material, and getting close to 3RR.

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Mark_Yudof&diff=prev&oldid=351012832

18:48, 20 March 2010 (UTC) —Preceding unsigned comment added by Logical Cowboy (talk • contribs)

Response to Third Opinion Request:
Disclaimers: I am responding to a third opinion request made at WP:3O. I have made no previous edits on Mark Yudof and have no known association with the editors involved in this discussion. The third opinion process (FAQ) is informal and I have no special powers or authority apart from being a fresh pair of eyes. Third opinions are not tiebreakers and should not be "counted" in determining whether or not consensus has been reached. My personal standards for issuing third opinions can be viewed here.

Opinion: The material is unsourced in that the claimed sources in no way support the material being added. This is, therefore, unsourced contentious biography of a living person material in direct violation of WP:GRAPEVINE and the exemption to 3RR in GRAPEVINE makes even a single reposting of it a violation of Wikipedia policy which can lead to the reposter being blocked or banned, once a proper warning has been placed on the violator's talk page.

What's next: Once you've considered this opinion click here to see what happens next.—TRANSPORTERMAN (TALK) 20:53, 20 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

  • Very interesting attempt at a threat, Transporterman, when your opinion more than sufficed. I suggest you read up on WP:WL. The Scythian 00:06, 21 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

removal of neutrality POV flag prior to resolution,[edit]

removal of neutrality POV flag prior to resolution, --4rousseau (talk) 02:37, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

sections written in caps locks, and copy and pasted Curriculum Vitae content is highly biased[edit]

sections written in caps locks, and copy and pasted Curriculum Vitae content is highly biased--4rousseau (talk) 02:38, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

removal of controversial news content about subject[edit]

removal of controversial news content about subject e.g.:

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Mark-Yudofs-Case-Against-Himself-62673782.html

http://sanfrancisco.modernluxury.com/style/profile-uc-berkeley-president-mark-yudof

Air Force One and The White House...

The UC head also said during a New York Times interview that the "shine is off" education and adds that his inflated salary doesn't compare to President Barack Obama's because he doesn't get the same perks:

"Will you throw in Air Force One and the White House?"

- Mark Yudof

source :

http://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local-beat/Mark-Yudofs-Case-Against-Himself-62673782.html

Big Man on Campus - UC President Mark Yudof Interview - NY Times By DEBORAH SOLOMON Published: September 24, 2009

As president of the University of California, the most prestigious of the state-university systems, you have proposed that in-state tuition be jacked up to more than $10,000, from $7,788. Are you pricing education beyond the reach of most students?


(Response) In 2009, U.C. adopted the Blue and Gold Program, guaranteeing that no student with a family income below $60,000 would pay any fees, and this guarantee will continue in 2010. That’s the short answer.

U.C. is facing a budget shortfall of at least $753 million, largely because of cuts in state financing. Do you blame Governor Schwarzenegger for your troubles?

(Response) I do not. This is a long-term secular trend across the entire country. Higher education is being squeezed out. It’s systemic. We have an aging population nationally. We have a lot of concern, as we should, with health care.

And education?

(Response) The shine is off of it. It’s really a question of being crowded out by other priorities.

Already professors on all 10 U.C. campuses are taking required “furloughs,” to use a buzzword. Let me tell you why we used it. The faculty said “furlough” sounds more temporary than “salary cut,” and being president of the University of California is like being manager of a cemetery: there are many people under you, but no one is listening. I listen to them.

The word “furlough,” I recently read, comes from the Dutch word “verlof,” which means permission, as in soldiers’ getting permission to take a few days off. How has it come to be a euphemism for salary cuts?

(Response) Look, I’m from West Philadelphia. My dad was an electrician. We didn’t look up stuff like this. It wasn’t part of what we did. When I was growing up we didn’t debate the finer points of what the word “furlough” meant.

How did you get into education?

(Response) I don’t know. It’s all an accident. I thought I’d go work for a law firm.

Some people feel you could close the U.C. budget gap by cutting administrative salaries, including your own.

(Response) The stories of my compensation are greatly exaggerated.

When you began your job last year, your annual compensation was reportedly $828,000.

(Response) It actually was $600,000 until I cut my pay by $60,000. So my salary is $540,000, but it gets amplified because people say, “You have a pension plan.”

What about your housing allowance? How much is the rent on your home in Oakland?

(Response) It’s about $10,000 a month.

Does U.C. pay for that on top of your salary?

(Response) Yes, and the reason they do that is because they have a president’s house, it needed $8 million of repairs and I decided that was not the way to go. Why the heck would I ever authorize $8 million for a house I didn’t want to live in anyhow?

Why can’t you have architecture students repair the house for course credit?

(Response) Let me ponder that.

Do you raise a lot of income from private donations?

(Response) We don’t do it in the office of the president. The focus is campus by campus: Santa Cruz or U.C.L.A. or Berkeley or San Diego, Davis. They have their own development offices, and I’m there to — some of the things I do very well. I smile, I shake hands, I tell jokes.

Why can’t you raise money, too?

(Response) I’m out there hustling, but I go where the chancellors invite me. Otherwise they get upset.

What about Hollywood people? Do they just give to U.C.L.A. at the expense of the other campuses?

(Response) I don’t know where they give. I’ve only met a few. I met Marg Helgenberger from “C.S.I.” at a dinner for Nobel laureates. I don’t know how either one of us got invited, but I enjoyed that, sure.

What do you think of the idea that no administrator at a state university needs to earn more than the president of the United States, $400,000?

(Response) Will you throw in Air Force One and the White House?


TIME Magazine Declares Yudof a Top University President... By Amberly Young - City on a Hill Press Reporter

A week before the UC Regents voted to increase fees by 32.5 percent, the Nov. 23 issue of Time Magazine named UC President Mark Yudof as one of the 10 best college presidents in the United States. Yudof was acknowledged for repairing the nearly bankrupt UC system and was chosen because he “tools around dilapidated campuses and fixes them.”

The University Office of the President (UCOP) said it is very proud of the recognition.

“He is being recognized for his lifetime achievement of dedication to higher education,” said UC Spokesman Pete Kanes. “He has a way of making universities better places when he leaves than when he got there, like he did at Texas and Minnesota … he makes decisions based on what he thinks is right for the university, even if it makes him unpopular.”

UCSC community studies lecturer Mike Rotkin commented that Yudof’s award did not come as a surprise.

“As the flagship magazine for a corporate media empire, they share his values,” Rotkin said of the magazine. “Yudof is showing great success in his efforts to privatize what was once a great public institution of higher learning and turn it into, in all but name, a private university that is inaccessible to the children of the working people of California — a university which protects it’s profit centers, such as patents, hospitals, overhead on grants and private and corporate donations, at the expense of undergraduate education.”

Yudof began his career in education as a law professor at the University of Texas before he became the dean of the law school. According to the Time article, during his 26 years of employment at the University of Texas, he supported tuition deregulation that gave campuses the power to set fees. In 1997, he became the president of the University of Minnesota, where he secured funding for research and renovated the campus.

In 2008, he was named the 19th president of the UC system, and in 2009 he proposed that student fees be increased by 32.5 percent to make up for a loss of state funds. That fee increase was passed by the UC Regents in late November.

By hiking fees, Yudof plans to finance the Blue and Gold Program, which exempts California residents who make less than $70,000 a year from paying fees.

According to UCOP, the UC currently provides grant and scholarship assistance averaging $10,300 per student to 54 percent of the 230,000 UC undergraduates.

UC Santa Barbara Associate Dean of Social Sciences Leila J. Rupp sent a written response to Time regarding the nomination.

“[Yudof] is the target of [more] opposition from faculty and students than any other academic leader in my more than 30 years on the faculty,” Rupp said. “And not just because of the furloughs.”

According to a database kept by the University of California, which allows users to search the salary of any employee of the UC system, Yudof earned a gross salary of $326,791 in 2008.

Bob Samuels, the president of the University Council American Federation of Teachers (UC-AFT) and a lecturer at UC Los Angeles, commented on Time’s award for Yudof.

“Time Magazine must like the way Yudof has been able to drive up the cost of education while lowering it’s quality,” Samuels said. “Since he has been the president, we have seen fees go up 42 percent, while lecturers have been eliminated and classes have been cut. Yudof might be good at getting high bond ratings, but he has managed to unite most people at the University against him.”

According to Samuels’ blog at http://changinguniversities.blogspot.com, over 3,643 employees of the UC system earn more than $200,000 a year. Since 2006, 1,200 more employees were added to this number. However, according to UCOP, those who make over $240,000 took a 10 percent pay cut this year.

Samuels thinks Yudof’s choice to raise student fees while administrators are making hundreds of thousands of dollars is a mistake.

“UC doesn’t need to raise student fees again,” Samuels said.

Second-year Ian Steinman agrees that Yudof should not be receiving Time’s recognition.

“It makes sense that a publication as representative of private interests as Time Magazine would consider Yudof a great president,” Steinman said. “Yudof is the manager responsible for minimizing dissent here and making the transition from a public to a private institution as smooth and unrecognizable as possible.”

Steinman also said that he thinks it is time for students to take action.

“His ranking [in] Time Magazine acts as an affirmation of the tremendous task before the new student movement and the work that must be done to discredit him and the project he represents.”

Published on: December 3, 2009 source: http://www.cityonahillpress.com/2009/12/03/time-magazine-declares-yudof-a-top-university-president/--4rousseau (talk) 02:44, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Some Content Belongs on the University of California page not on the Mark Yudof Page[edit]

system wide initiatives of UC belong on the University of California article not on the Mark Yudof article page--4rousseau (talk) 02:47, 19 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Generally I'd agree with that assertion. It is remarkable that the Commission on the Future is included as it has been in this article. The text contains lots of "will do X" or "will achieve Y for the future" type statements, hardly appropriate for an encyclopedia article as it is basically speculation about the future success of the initiative. In fact the section as it stands is basically ad copy by the university. I'll be deleting it in a second or two. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 24.7.100.134 (talk) 07:36, 28 June 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Why is the Man's Life Story Here[edit]

I mean, seriously, courses/seminars taught? Every award dating back to the 70s? I'm going to leave this open for discussion, but if there's not justification, I'm going to proceed to remove. I have yet to see Courses taught or even minor awards listed at any other entry on Wikipedia.

Donselma (talk) 05:31, 7 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Police brutality at protests[edit]

http://www.universityofcalifornia.edu/news/article/26702 71.33.173.196 (talk) 05:23, 21 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

removing POV tag with no active discussion per Template:POV[edit]

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