Talk:Michigan Militia

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Oh wow, I for one hadn't known the Michigan Militia were fighting for American freedom.

It looks like this has been copied from

No, I think the text was copied from here. It says wikipedia/wikimedia all over it. 16:04, 19 June 2007 (UTC)

Organization's decline[edit]

The organization, as a whole, is dead. There are still some small splinter groups, but it's incorrect to state that the organization has had growth since 9/11. The organization is defunct. There might be small splinter groups here and there, but nothing substantial. This article is meant to be a historical review of the Michigan Militia, which was a large organization in the mid 90's. Jstalin 18:12, 22 March 2007 (UTC)

Please site some sources, because you're completely flat-out wrong. The organization has enjoyed a strong surge in growth following the 9/11 attacks. This has been covered in television media (do a youtube search for "michigan militia" and see for yourself) and overall reception has been largely positive. 16:15, 3 June 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia isn't an advertisement for splinter militia groups. This article is a historical reference of the groups everyone knew as the Michigan Militia in the 1990s. Splinter groups are, by their nature, local and not statewide. They share nothing with the original organization except for a name. You can create individual Wikipedia pages for these splinter groups. (talk) 17:56, 20 March 2009 (UTC)

Recent deletions[edit]

Obviously, the recent poster was heavyhanded in his POV, and insulting in his Talk comment, but I think the blanket revert was a little hasty. For instance, his point that the supposed "association" with McVeigh seems tenuous at best, is valid. --WacoKid 04:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

McVeigh connection valid?? Really. The FBI was on record saying there was NO connection. Is someone rewriting history? The only proven fact was that McVeigh was *kicked out* of a Michigan Militia meeting, and that doesn't constitute a connection unless one is engaged in yellow journalism. That fact is the only verifiable and sourced relation to the article. JP419 (talk) 04:05, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

WikiProject Military history/Assessment/Tag & Assess 2008[edit]

Removed Military History Tag as article is out of scope of the project. This article is not about a "real" military force.

"Real" implies that citizen volunteer militias are not a military force, and that assertion violates NPOV. Volunteer, nongovernmental, and guerrilla military units are historically valid, even within the USA. Secondary sources on the web, including video, show that militias like Michigan and Indiana have extended capabilities such as aviation, long range reconnaissance, maritime, amphibious, air-mobile (and in one instance I am aware of in my own firsthand research, one Indiana Militia unit has a HALO airborne squad). That sounds pretty real to me. JP419 (talk) 04:13, 20 December 2009 (UTC)

AfD January 2010[edit]

I made the following comment on this article's AfD page: "Like the recently deleted article on the Indiana Militia, this organization is currently no longer notable. I suggested that the main points of both articles be worked into the article on constitutional militia movement if they are deleted. We honestly don't need multiple articles at this point and I believe we ought to merge them right away." JP419 (talk) 11:27, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

My apologies for the AfD nomination. I was using this as a test balloon to prove bias between this and other militia pages that have been deleted. The decision to keep was the desired result and I wish to thank everyone that contributed! If I violated a rule by doing this, again an apology - I'm not a 'wikilawyer' and wasn't trying to offend. JP419 (talk) 15:11, 28 January 2010 (UTC)

Article name[edit]

"Michigan Militia Corps" was the name of the organization. Should that be the name of the article?--PinkBull 16:02, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

"Michigan Militia" currently refers to all of the regional militias that were created by the breakup of the original Michigan Militia founded by Norm Olson. No single name applies, and every above-ground militia group in Michigan is considered 'the Michigan Militia' due to the national fame the early organization achieved in the 1990's. Unless a specific Michigan militia group with a distinctly different name distinguishes itself nationally with equal or greater fame then the original 'Michigan Militia', the term will likely remain unchanged. I may be mistaken. To remove all doubt, one could visit the Michigan Militia website and contact them. JP419 (talk) 15:20, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
But isn't this article is about the original Michigan Militia founded by Norm Olson?--PinkBull 01:35, 29 January 2010 (UTC)