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All for our Country

As far as I can tell, the motto of Nevada is actually "All for our Country". That's the way the text appears in the state seal. It's only translated into the Latin "Omnia pro Patria" for the seal of the University of Nevada (Reno

I discovered that the page from which I'd gotten my list of state symbols was out of date. Going to the actual Nevada Revised Statutes showed that a few more had been added in 2001, including such unlikely things as a state soil and a state tartan. I added them all, figuring that since they are all things that the state has chosen to symbolize itself, they are all equally valid.

I did not list the state tartan, however, because I'm not sure what to do about it. There's no brief textual description of it that can be given. The Nevada statutes actually use a picture of it to define it, and it's a fairly large picture. If anyone wants to figure out a way to smoothly integrate it into the page, please do so. --AaronW 23:40, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

"The local pronunciation of the state is not "Ne-vah-da", but should be said so that the middle syllable rhymes with "gamble"" -- Is this meant as a joke? :) I can't figure out how one would interpret a syllable represented by the letters "va" to rhyme with the word "gamble". How about using words like volleyball and vacuum to explain it? In New York, I heard it pronounced as "Ne-va(as in vacuum)-duh", and in California, I hear it pronounced as "Ne-va(as in volleyball)-duh". bneely

The middle syllable is a "short a" sound, like in the words "add", "had", or "mad". I agree that "gamble" is not the best example word to give, since it has two syllables. I guess whoever wrote that was trying to say it in a way people would remember. :) Nevada's middle syllable is most often pronounced like "add" in the western US (including almost all Nevada residents), and like "odd" in the eastern US. You seem, by chance, to have experienced the opposite. --4.246.3.1 01:21, 15 August 2005 (UTC)

However, as a Nevadan, I've never actually heard this state motto in use in either English or latin. Most people in Nevada think of "Battle Born", the text on our state flag, as our state motto. --AaronW 23:26, 16 Mar 2004 (UTC)

does everything revolve around the presidential election with you idiots? Try using some perspective. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 68.14.237.38 (talk) 16:30, 13 February 2008 (UTC)

Age of consent

Anyone know who first edited this page to include the information about Nevada's antiquated age of consent laws? I looked through the history a little to find out w/o non-anonymous luck. I'm (in)formally investigating this issue, so this is somewhat for research purposes. Thanks. --Crazymonk 23:29, 7 November 2005 (UTC)

The answer is: http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Nevada&diff=prev&oldid=15394367
—GraemeMcRaetalk 04:24, 10 November 2005 (UTC)

Nevada Corporate Law

I do not agree that the Nevada Corporation law entry should be merged with this entry. It is a separate topic in Nevada law that deserves its own entry, just like Prostitution in Nevada is a separate topic with its own entry (however the Nevada Corporation entry needs to be expanded). I have added a cross-reference and brief explanation to this entry that I think does the trick? --Ssilvers 18:08, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

  • My leaning was either to leave as is or to be netural. Given the lack of support, I'm going to pull the merge suggestion since there does not appear to be much support after two weeks. Vegaswikian 05:58, 29 June 2006 (UTC)

Pronunciation

Is it pronounced Nev-Add-uh or Nev-aaH-da?

  • As a Nevadan, I pronounce it Nev-Add-uh. See above.--71.49.212.77 22:00, 24 August 2006 (UTC)
  • Ditto. See pronunciation guide in External Links section. Vegas215 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:39, 24 February 2008 (UTC)
Why are Nevadans allowed to contradict both the Spanish-speaking original population and common sense? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 75.73.70.113 (talk) 06:25, 10 January 2009 (UTC)

Religion

The percentages of people belonging to different religions do not add up to 100%. If one counts Mormons not to belong to Christians, then the top level percentages add up to 100%, but still the percentages of different kinds of Christians do not add up to the total percentage of Christians (there seems to be more different kinds of Christians than their total number).Punainen Nörtti 12:24, 20 July 2006 (UTC)

American?

What exactly does it mean when you say that (4.8%) of the population is "American." Do you mean "Native American?" This needs to be clarified. Can somebody please clarify?


It means the rest are nevadan, we're an odd bunch <no one appreciates humour on wiki's?> I'd bet it is native americans. 64.149.83.77 09:00, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

Carson City's population

I noticed that the population of Carson City as a city is different from Carson City's population as a county. Given that the city and the county are one in the same, which number is accurate? Could someone fix it?

they are slightly different, there was an error made combining the administrative district of carson with ormsby county <I want to say ormsby county> making ormsby carson city county, so carson city is not quite as big as carson city county 64.149.83.77 09:02, 29 November 2006 (UTC)

New Sports section added to updated Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format

The Wikipedia:WikiProject U.S. states format has been updated to include a new Sports section, that covers collegiate sports, amateur sports, and non-team sports (such as hunting and fishing). Please feel free to add this new heading, and supply information about sports in Nevada . Please see South_carolina#Sports_in_South_Carolina as an example. NorCalHistory 13:58, 8 December 2006 (UTC)


Awkward language?

Does anyone else find the following language awkard?

"and prostitution, which itself is legal in no other state."

I'd prefer reading language more like this:

"and prostitution, which is illegal in all other states." —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 68.60.59.250 (talk) 11:57, 1 January 2007 (UTC).

PahUte County

The Las Vegas Review-Journal says that PahUte County was annexed on January 18, 1967. This differers from the article text. Anyone know which source is correct? Vegaswikian 19:23, 7 January 2007 (UTC)

I came to believe Nye County annexed a former county in what's now land belonging to the Nellis Air Force Range. In the Hammond World Atlas, I found a small county called "Bullfrog" north of US route 95 near Beatty surrounded by Nye county. There's a proposed county plan in the southern Nye county for the sudden growth town of Pahrump has pushed the move for county secession for awhile, and they could well revive a now-defunct county with a similar name but 100 miles down the road. + 71.102.5.6 (talk) 19:32, 28 June 2008 (UTC)

Proposed project

There evidently isn't a project dealing with the state of Nevada as a whole. I have thus proposed one at User:Warlordjohncarter/WikiProject Nevada. Please indicate there if you would like to join such a project. Thank you. John Carter 21:06, 26 February 2007 (UTC)

POV in Law/government section?

I'm marking that section as possibly in need of an NPOV check: the arguments seem unusually one-sided, and the repetitive use of the word "liberal" looks in context like a weasel word. I think it would look better if the facts were allowed to stand for themselves, without the commentary. toll_booth 16:34, 17 April 2007 (UTC)

Drugs Laws Mentioned In Opening Paragraph?

While I do understand that the Nevada position on drugs seems to contradict it's legal philosophy when dealing with other vices, is the state's stance on drugs so important that it needs to be mentioned in the opening paragraph, and then later in the article?--Mikevegas40 08:48, 18 May 2007 (UTC)

Needs information about rainfall/precipitation

The article needs information about the state's annual rainfall/precipitation (as most other state articles have). 131.123.231.143 22:02, 10 September 2007 (UTC)

Looks like the population numbers were reversed for the city of Pahrump and the county of Nye65.26.30.94 08:16, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Sound files - for someone more experienced with Wikipedia

I removed this from the top of the article:

There's a way to integrate it more cohesively into the article, but I figured I would put it here for someone more experienced with Wikipedia to deal with. It just looked sloppy where it was. Thanks. Thompsontough (talk) 20:59, 19 January 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism to Friedman quote

Over four months ago, some clown at IP address 71.50.71.26 vandalized the Friedman quote I inserted the article, and no one caught it. I just caught and fixed the damage right now. If this happens again, the article needs to be semi-protected. To whomever vandalized the quote, please see User:Ericsaindon2 for what happened to the last Wikipedia vandal I ran into who refused to bring his edits into compliance with Wikipedia policies. --Coolcaesar (talk) 05:18, 10 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia versus Wiktionary consistency

Wiktionary admin Stephen G. Brown has tried to reject the superior Wikipedia pronunciation text for Nevada and instead insists upon his own rather crude POV text. Frankly I consider this admin abuse and I have noted my concern in Wiktionary discussion for this topic.

Mr. Brown has used various tactics including deleting my Wiktionary discussion text and locking the entire topic for weeks from any attempt by anyone to add a POV dispute notation. I have emailed Jessica Barrett of the Wiktionary Information Team about my concerns, however, so far the Wikimedia Foundation has taken no corrective action.

One of the principles of Wiktionary and Wikipedia should be the self-policing checks and balances by individuals to ensure accuracy of entries. Other than a presumed unresolved Foundation review, I see no such evidence of checks and balances in this case. Instead I see elitist, regional opinions and censorship overriding democratic values by a rogue Wiktionary admin. --Vegas215 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 11:27, 23 February 2008 (UTC)

+++ Admin/Sysop assistance request - Re: Wiktionary admin abuse on this topic

Rogue Wiktionary Admin Stephen G. Brown has once again reverted Wiktionary's entry for Nevada to his own inaccurate and inferior (to Wikipedia) text regarding pronunciation of Nevada. This includes removing Wikipedia's pronunciation text including references, removing the pronunciation guide External Link, and as usual, Mr. Brown has once again Sysop-locked the topic for one month.

Wiktionary/Wikipedia should not be subject to this sort of authoritarian sole-arbiter of definitions. It is the antithesis of the democratic principles of the Wikimedia Foundation. --Vegas215 (talk) —Preceding comment was added at 02:08, 25 February 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia entry (author unknown)

Although the name is derived from the Spanish word Nevada, which is the feminine form of "covered in snow", the local pronunciation of the state's name is not IPA: [nəˈvɑ.də] (as in the "o" in "odd"), but IPA: [nəˈvæ.də] (as in the "a" in "glad").[1] In 2005, the state issued a specialty license plate via the Nevada Commission on Tourism that lists the name of the state as Nevăda to help with the pronunciation problem. Local residents - particularly natives of the state - resent hearing Nevada's name mispronounced in the national media, a problem that has crystallized with increased coverage of the state following the 2008 Presidential Primary Elections.[2]

External links (includes)

[ POV ] Wiktionary entry (author: Stephen G Brown, rogue admin)

Typically pronounced /nəˈvɑ.də/ by nonresidents, /nɨˈvæːdə/ by residents. (Residents often regard the pronunciation as a test of whether visitors are informed about the state.)

--Vegas215 (talk)

Really strange, as it is the simple explanation. But perhaps people want to mark it as simply wrong. --92.230.11.159 (talk) 22:17, 24 September 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism removed

I removed the following line from History, Statehood:

Nevada is a terrible state, though in many simple ways that have lately become complicated. —Preceding unsigned comment added by Simaloko (talk • contribs) 10:03, 11 March 2008 (UTC) nevada is a spanish word —Preceding unsigned comment added by 71.139.172.155 (talk) 22:47, 30 April 2008 (UTC)

"Moderate Republican"

In the government section, there was a reference to Jim Gibbons as a "Moderate Republican", with no sources provided (and frankly that seems like a value judgment anyway, and outside the scope of the one-line reference he has here). I replaced it with "former Republican Congressman" because that keeps the same flow, but doesn't open up the same icky NPOV or factual liabilities. Adoubleplusgood (talk) 10:20, 17 May 2008 (UTC)

Audio File for the pronunciation

The current audio file linked in this article is the "east coast" pronunciation whose use is not welcomed by most residents in the state. Sample newspaper article about the subject. Shouldn't this article use the preferred pronunciation, which is at this file File:En-us-nevada.ogg Dave (talk) 04:56, 16 December 2008 (UTC)

OK Nobody objected, so I'm switching. Dave (talk) 19:18, 22 December 2008 (UTC)

City and County of Carson City

Carson City is a distinct (city and) county of the state of Nevada but is not listed as county...

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Kdz (talk • contribs) 23:30, 30 June 2006 (UTC)

Vandalism

Someone take down the "NEvada is a very gay place" and the rest.

—Preceding unsigned comment added by 201.160.141.219 (talk) 06:01, 15 November 2006 (UTC)

Economic numbers are missing

I miss the unemployment numbers (Jan 2010 they are 14,6% U3 and 19,6% U6). —Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.205.58.228 (talk) 03:50, 31 January 2010 (UTC)

"Libertarian Laws"

Why is the smoking ban listed in this section? Wouldn't listing it under an "authoritarian laws" section be more appropriate? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 72.196.106.34 (talk) 18:38, 1 July 2009 (UTC)

How to edit State Entries

Wondering how to edit this State Entry?
The WikiProject U.S. states standards might help.

"Correction" of Vandalism

The highest point in Nevada is, in fact, above 13,000 feet. This leads to the assertion that "peaks above 13,000 feet" is correct.

Highest point

Boundary point is the highest "point" in Nevada, but it is not a mountain, rather it is a high point on the east ridge of Montgomery peak, the summit of which is in California.

USGS and other orgs specify that to be considered a "mountain", there must be at least a 500' drop to a saddle between two high points. 

The saddle between Boundary point & Montgomery peak is about 220' below Boundary point.

Wheeler peak is the highest mountain in Nevada. 209.78.17.65 (talk) 04:20, 14 September 2010 (UTC)jimmyreno

—Preceding unsigned comment added by Seloc (talk • contribs) 07:08, 16 December 2006 (UTC)

Fake Train

Someone has inserted an image of a decorative metal sculpture and tried to pass it off as an image of an actual railroad locomotive. Either the user has no idea what a real steam locomotive looks like or this is part of some kind of prank of which the administrators are unaware. Unfortunately, my attempts to spare Wikipedia and its readers from this degradation of the article have been met with accusations of making disruptive edits despite the fact that I explained my actions in the edit summary. Apparently the administrators assume that this photograph is valid just because it has been on the page for such a long time. LHOOQ225 (talk) 22:15, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

No one is disputing that that it is a sculpture. If you want to modify the caption to reflect that, fine. That said, the fact that it's a sculpture is not grounds to remove it. OhNoitsJamie Talk 22:49, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

This article has been vandalized again, needs semi-protection

The Friedman quote has been heavily vandalized from the actual text I entered, but I am too busy right now to track down the original version I entered and fix the vandalism. Anyway, I'm flagging it so that one of the admins can deal with it. --Coolcaesar (talk) 20:16, 16 August 2009 (UTC)

86% state owned ? Someone check this please.

For anyone interested in this article, please verify that number, http://www.newsreview.com/reno/content?oid=1397212 has some comments on it. —TheDJ (talk • contribs) 11:10, 1 April 2010 (UTC)

  • I fixed the reference to a source for this. If there is an equally reliable source that is more current, then it should be updated. Note that with the land sales by BLM and others, this number should be trending down. But there are other parcels being added so I'm not sure what direction the percentage is heading. Vegaswikian (talk) 20:12, 26 April 2010 (UTC)
    • I fixed the "publisher" part of the reference to clarify that this is sourced from the US federal government. The OP's article specifically complains about this. A rather petty complaint if you ask me, but fixed nonetheless. Simishag (talk) 23:33, 26 April 2010 (UTC)

Pronunciation is wrong

The pronunciation is wrong. "Nevada" has the "a" from "father," not "dad."83.5.173.152 (talk) 15:35, 25 May 2010 (UTC) No 70.109.163.193 (talk) 02:38, 28 June 2010 (UTC)

  • You are clearly not a local if you're making that (completely incorrect) assertion. PassionOrPain

I lived there for 6 years and its ridiculous when people say nevawda 72.184.127.159 (talk) 22:37, 25 October 2010 (UTC)(talk) 17:40, 3 September 2010 (UTC)

Who decided it should be "dad" and not "father," considering the original Spanish word sounds like "father?" --69.139.96.231 (talk) 23:21, 4 December 2010 (UTC)
Nobody can decide how people who live in other areas, states, or countries should pronounce words in their own dialects and languages. In the English dialect of Nevada, it is pronounced nuh-væ-duh, and that is correct for them. In most of the U.S., we pronounce it nuh-vah-duh, and that is correct for us. Different languages pronounce it in different ways, and the correct pronunciation varies for each language, and sometimes within a language. The same goes for dialects of English. —Stephen (talk) 03:20, 6 December 2010 (UTC)
Stephen Brown, you are right, correctness is all relative, but I don't know if you are correct in saying most of the US says "Nuh-vawh-duh." You're probably right, but I've never seen a survey or anything confirming that. I know from growing up here that we say "nuh-væ-duh" in Southern California. Person with only an IP address who makes a reference to Spanish, does that mean, when speaking in English, we should pronounce the city of Los Angeles as "Los Awn-hell-ays" instead of "Loss An-jul-iss"? For San Francisco, do you say "Sawn Frawn-sees-co" instead of "San Fræn-sis-co"? - Sdbulldog (talk) 03:59, 12 April 2011 (UTC)
The pronunciation is right. Say Nuh Vah Duh in our state, and in all honesty, you're likely to get yourself shot. IAmTheWalrus89460 (talk) 05:17, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Groom Lake

The part about the military base at Groom Lake is total garbage and needs to be rewritten with proper references Wims (talk) 07:05, 22 October 2010 (UTC)

Improvements to get to GA

If someone has the time, it would be nice to fix all of the missing references. If this were done with some additional cleanup this article should be able have a shot at making A or GA status. This link can be used to check the quality of the existing references. Vegaswikian (talk) 07:09, 4 November 2010 (UTC)

Gaming vs. Gambling

In November 2010 a change was made to replace "gambling" with "gaming" everywhere (including in making piped links to Gambling). Personally, I see the term gaming as a euphamism driven by industry backers, but recognize my viewpoint is biased and would like some consensus before reverting the changes. I can't find any guidence in wikipedia on the terminology, but feel gambling is better for a few reasons.

  1. It's understood throughout the English-speaking world, not just in Nevada and areas with casinos,
  2. It's unambiguous: gaming is often used for computer or other games, and most importantly
  3. The appropriate wikipedia article is called Gambling; Gaming is largely a dab page.

Any thoughts? Bennetto (talk) 18:13, 14 January 2011 (UTC)

The term "gaming" is not merely a euphemism. It is widely used by government agencies (e.g, Nevada Gaming Control Board) and in news and other contexts. It specifically refers to the industry and not simply the activity of gambling. With that in mind, I don't think a revert is necessary, but I don't see anything wrong with changing some instances of "gaming" to "gambling" where appropriate. The change you referenced looks like a blanket search & replace, which was probably unnecessary. Simishag (talk) 19:07, 14 January 2011 (UTC)
The word 'gaming' did confuse me at first, but I suppose Simishag is right.--124.179.39.110 (talk) 08:52, 14 February 2011 (UTC)
I have to say, I had the same impression as Bennetto, that this was a euphemism (for instance, people in support of liberalizing laws about it tend to use "gaming", while opponents use "gambling"), but IMHO "gambling" is generally the commonly used term and carries no negative connotation. With that in mind, I've gone ahead boldly and changed "gaming" to "gambling in the lede, but if you disagree, let me know here. I just feel that gambling is the better term, given that it's more precise. Meelar (talk) 21:49, 10 June 2011 (UTC)

I don't believe!

Nevada is made up of mostly desert and semiarid climate regions, daytime summer temperatures sometimes may rise as high as 125 °F (52 °C) and nighttime winter temperatures may reach as low as −50 °F (−46 °C).

−46 °C is very cold! I think it is mistake. The minimum temperature is when night and winter not less then 0°C/78.42.111.232 (talk) 08:05, 30 August 2011 (UTC)Kirill

Yes, it is quite chilly, but it is documented. There are plenty of references to it. —Stephen (talk) 08:11, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Obviously that's not going to happen in Las Vegas. However, much of northern Nevada is high desert. Temperatures there can fall down to 40 °F (39 °C) even in summer in northern Nevada, with a few certain cold spots even seeing subfreezing temperatures in July. I have personally experienced temperatures as low as -22 °F (-30 °C) in the town of Elko less than two years ago, which wasn't even a record low for the day, let alone month or year. Outlying areas were below -30 °F (-34 °C) that morning. Nevada isn't all like Las Vegas. In fact, most of Nevada is NOTHING like Las Vegas. Famartin (talk) 11:39, 30 August 2011 (UTC)
Concur with Famartin. Most of Nevada is more like Tonopah, Beatty, Elko, or all the wide open spaces in between. --Coolcaesar (talk) 21:04, 17 September 2011 (UTC)

Repeated text

The section "Demographics" has a subsection "Largest Cities" with a table of the 10 largest cities, but there is another section below in the article "Significant cities and towns" with the same table. The "Geography" section has a subsection "Counties" with a table of the counties, but there is also another table of the counties below in the article in the section "Significant cities and towns". I'm removing this repetition and moving the "Top 10 locations by GDP in Nevada" table into the "Demographics" section.5.12.75.172 (talk) 12:09, 20 May 2012 (UTC)

Two "cold" records are cited in this article

Hello - this article cites two separate state records for coldest temperature observed - one for 50 degrees below and one for 52 degrees below - one in the second paragraph of the Geography subsection and the second in the Climate sub-subsection just below. I just thought I'd note that and let someone good at this sort of research discover which is actually true. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 76.252.174.11 (talk) 23:01, 25 June 2012 (UTC)

Hey — Preceding unsigned comment added by 91.63.206.107 (talk) 13:26, 2 July 2012 (UTC)

Counties

The section which details the counties percentage of the population is very wrong. FamAD123 (talk) 01:51, 20 June 2013 (UTC)

No mention of the Federal Government influence in Nevada

The list of top employers does not mention the Federal Government. I would think the Feds have more employees in the state than the casinos that are listed. I never thought of this until hearing 87% of Nevada land is controlled by the Feds. I will look at other Western States pages to see if this subject is brought up on their pages.

It does seem if you are going to list the County school district as an employer then all government employees should be included whether federal civilian, federal or state military, etc. I'm thinking the Nevada DOT has more employees than the casino listed.

Tim Steinkamp 184.77.114.144 (talk) 05:26, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

You would be incorrect in your assumption. While yes, a great deal of Nevada land is controlled by the Federal government, most of it gets little attention. The entire BLM nation-wide only employs about 10,000 people. Famartin (talk) 05:55, 18 April 2014 (UTC)

Owned v managed

A recent change to the 86% of the land being owned to managed seems incorrect. The feds own the land, right? And the feds manage that land. So ownership should be left it. I'll reword that at some point unless I'm missing something. Vegaswikian (talk) 17:01, 27 April 2014 (UTC)

Population percentage inconsistent (or using different data sets)

e.g

Carson City 55,274 2.63 %

Lyon 51,980 1.73 %

Elko 48,818 2.27 %

80.121.71.132 (talk) 17:09, 12 December 2014 (UTC)

mi^2

please change mi² to mi<sup>2</sup>

Done Cannolis (talk) 21:18, 1 June 2015 (UTC)

Nevada Motto

I thought the Nevada motto is 'Battle Born', it's what's show on my Nevada State ID? Space Commander Plasma (talk) 22:32, 13 June 2015 (UTC)

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Crime rates don't add up

Property crimes accounted for about 85% of the total crime rate in Nevada [...] The remaining 20.3% were violent crimes. Thats (about) 105.3 %. So either there are (about) 5.3 % violent property crimes that fall under both categories (which should be mentioned so people like me don't begin to wonder) ... or the numbers are wrong. --- DerBuddybär (talk) 11:56, 5 October 2017 (UTC)

Why is 2017 mass shooting an entire section of the article?

It's a major event, but certainly not major enough to be a primary section of the state in which it occurred. Should the section be removed and relocated to another section of the article? ~Lord Marcellus 01:05, 2 December 2017 (UTC)

  1. ^ Outsiders who criticize this practice may recall that many Spanish-derived place names in the United States are no longer pronounced by native English speakers in a manner which reflects the name's Spanish roots (the pronunciation of the name "Los Angeles," for instance, is commonly accepted as "Los An-JELL-es" not "Los An-HELL-es" by native English speakers.
  2. ^ Griffith, Martin (2008-01-18). "It's Nuh-VAD-uh, not Nuh-VAH-duh". Las Vegas Review-Journal. Retrieved 2008-01-31. {{cite news}}: External link in |publisher= (help)
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