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sunshine hours[edit]

According to "météo France", Paris has 1661.6 sunshine hours per year. http://www.meteofrance.com/climat/france/paris/75114001/normales — Preceding unsigned comment added by 2A01:E35:39AF:800:2D8E:82F9:DC48:2E7E (talk) 11:09, 2 February 2014 (UTC)

Size of the history section[edit]

I haven't been in Paris article since a long time and I was surprised by how big the History section became, especially when compared with the little size of the other sections.
This section is representing something like a third of the whole Paris article, this is much more than in other cities articles.
It is subdivided in 19 different sections!!!
Wouldn't it better if this section was cut by more than half and much of it moved in the History of Paris article?

Minato ku (talk) 17:11, 1 March 2014 (UTC)

I agree with Minato, this acticle represent very badly this city, the differents sections are completly disproportionate (look at the history section, and compare with others cities, this is just staggering). Message for the next personn who tell us that we are from the same forum: So what ? For that reason, our opinion doesn't count ? Are you really serious ? Congratulations for this fantastic state of mind...first with the front pic, comming from nowhere and showing the part of Paris since 1900, and now with this huge section "history" worthy of Pompei...I thought that Wikipedia was an objective website (and free, let me laught !), but it's far away from that adjective...SestoLD (talk) 22:57, 13 March 2014 (UTC)

The size of the history section in this article is absurd. It's actually longer than the entire History of Paris page, which is obviously the opposite of what the intent is. JCO312 (talk) 16:20, 28 March 2014 (UTC)
0.o Wow, I have to agree with the above, what happened and when. I will review tomorrow, cheers. THEPROMENADER 00:56, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

I agree, the history section is too long while in my view the article on the history of Paris doesn't have enough in some sections. I will begin to move some of the text in the main article over to the history section. SiefkinDR (talk) 06:18, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

The history section needs to be trimmed. I was shocked how did this article pass GA. Wikipedia:Good article criteria 3b: "it stays focused on the topic without going into unnecessary detail (see summary style)." is clearly violated. --Redtigerxyz Talk 19:27, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

@ User:Redtigerxyz If you'd bothered to look at the history you'd see it wasn't like that when it was passed by @Tim riley:.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

After today's trimming: 272074 bytes in English article against 271090 in French. I totally agree: the history section is too long & much of it should be moved to the History of Paris. For about two weeks, I have been going thru the article section by section, only editing French & correcting a few details, and avoiding to add anything. Left to do on the history part are:

  • WWI
  • Années folles
  • WWII
  • Postwar Paris
  • 21st century (thankfully extremely short!)

By curiosity, I transferred in my *office* the history section of both French & English articles, only texts, no pictures. Times New Roman size 12:

  • French: 12 pages
  • English:36 pages

As I can spare time only on one section per day, I will ask SiefkinDR not to move any of the above before I am thru editing them. Will probably be done by end of week...end.

Thank you. --Blue Indigo (talk) 21:33, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

I strongly suggest restoring the earlier history section several months ago when it was at 170kb odd and moving the history content to the sub article. 269kb is crazily long. Who expanded it?♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:10, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

  • It's way too long. --John (talk) 21:20, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

I've restored it to my version and have moved the content to User:Dr. Blofeld/History of Paris as it looks like good content which would be better placed elsewhere. It should be put in the main History of Paris article and sub articles of that, not the main article.♦ Dr. Blofeld 21:26, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Much better; the chronology makes much more sense for a 'head' article such as this one. I don't understand the original reason for the such-drastic change, anyway... care to clarify? Cheers. THEPROMENADER 05:28, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Siefkin was the one who expanded it. He seems to be very interested in history. I have nearly 1200 articles on my watchlist and didn't notice the changes until yesterday. It's been this big a few months now, not sure how!! The content is quite welcome in History of Paris and sub articles but not the main article which should be a brief summary. If you can merge the content from User:Dr. Blofeld/History of Paris into the History of Paris article and sub articles Siefkin none of your work will be be lost. ♦ Dr. Blofeld 06:08, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

I had updated and expanded the section based on more recent French sources, and I agree it got to be too long. I will put the new information into the History of Paris article, and I've done some of that already. Some of the information in the main article is out of date, such as the earliest evidence of human occupation in Paris. the updated information with citation is found in the History of Paris article.06:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that was my concern, that you might have updated the sources. If you can really write a condensed version of yours so that the end result doesn't put the article over 185kb that would be good if you're interested. But it really has to be a basic summary as the main article should just briefly cover the main topics evenly. You should create a series of subarticles too like Medieval Paris, Paris during the 18th Century etc. I don't want to discourage you Sief as the content looks very good, just not in the main article! I'd strongly support a History of Paris series of articles with detailed sub entries by period.♦ Dr. Blofeld 11:37, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Thanks for your good ideas and interest on this. It's an old city and has a lot of history. I will work now on moving the longer text and citations into the separate History of Paris article, and then look to see what information in the shorter history section of the Paris aricle needs to be updated, without making it longer. SiefkinDR (talk) 15:12, 17 May 2014 (UTC)

Having a 'history of Paris' article' (divided into epochs) itself spread between several 'child' articles on each epoch is a brilliant idea, and something that should have been done ~years~ ago. I can contribute there ; ). Cheers! THEPROMENADER 19:18, 17 May 2014 (UTC)
Good plan: this article should be able to act as a summary, with good linking towards a general "History of Paris" page, and to more specific sub-pages if needed. The history of Paris is a big topic and I don't see any problem in having several separate pages systematically detailing key aspects. - SchroCat (talk) 08:15, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Copyright problem removed[edit]

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New Mayor, Update![edit]

I changed yesterday the name of the new mayor, but someone not aware of what's happening in Paris probably doesn't know that Bertrand Delanoe is no longer Paris's mayor and changed my update. ANNE HIDALGO is now the mayor of Paris! Thanks to update that fact! — Preceding unsigned comment added by 93.174.33.253 (talk) 07:28, 1 April 2014 (UTC)