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A fact from Rouge test appeared on Wikipedia's Main Page in the Did you know column on 15 October 2009 (check views). The text of the entry was as follows:

Did you know... that during a rouge test (example pictured), an experimenter places a colored dot on a child's nose to assess self-recognition when looking in the mirror?

A record of the entry may be seen at Wikipedia:Recent additions/2009/October.

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Photo/video[edit]

A better photo than the one we have (which shows no make up on the nose, it was not made for this article) would be fabulous - if anyone has an infant 24 months or younger...video too would be great. In fact, YouTube has a number, but we can't use that stuff. Please please please anyone? JoeSmack ^Talk 21:44, 11 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Age of recognition[edit]

The article states that most children recognise their own reflection is 20-24 months. The next sentence states the median for slef-recogniton is 18 months. Surely these statements clash, or am I missing something? FruitMonkey (talk) 06:44, 12 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Median here means the middle age, in this case meaning 50% approximately self-recognize at 18 months, the half way point in the distribution. So if you had a sample of 5 kids (you'd have more, but bear with me), and their ages at recognition were 14, 16, 18, 20, and 24, then the median would be 18 months. MOST recognize in 20-24 months. It's subtle but statistically accurate. JoeSmack ^Talk 05:42, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Pardon me, by MOST I mean 65%. I'm going to make this more clear in the wording, thank you for pointing that out. JoeSmack ^Talk 05:48, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That works for me. Interesting article by the way. FruitMonkey (talk) 06:36, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

self-recognition and attachment[edit]

Interesting, here is a source for expansion in the article. [1], apparently secure/insecure attachment plays a part seemingly. JoeSmack ^Talk 05:53, 14 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Mirror test[edit]

I don't want to mess up the article with a merge template while it's linked from the front page, but shouldn't this article be merged with Mirror test? --NorwegianBlue^talk 21:16, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nope! Mirror test is similar, with animals, and was thought of before the rouge test. The rouge test is with human kids, done with a specific protocol, and is referred to as a rouge test. Sometimes it's a 'classic rouge test', or 'mirror and rouge test', or 'common rouge test', but it is most definitely separate in the literature. JoeSmack ^Talk 21:36, 15 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Ok. Since both articles reference each other in the "see also" section, I guess that's fine. --NorwegianBlue^talk 08:52, 16 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

I agree that this article should be merged into the Mirror test article. It is not similar to the mirror test, it is the mirror test applied to human children. I think the terms are essentially interchangeable when talking about humans. Sources, even in this article, don't refer to the "rouge test" in their titles, and none of them claim to develop the "rouge test" as anything other than a informally outlined application of the mirror test. Both articles are pretty lacking and combining them, giving the "rouge test" its own subsection would improve the quality of both articles and centralize attention. —Manicjedi (talk) (contribs) (templates) 09:33, 19 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

I just went ahead and merged them. I will direct discussion on that page regarding the merger here.—Manicjedi (talk) (contribs) (templates) 20:33, 21 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Age of recognition (again)[edit]

"From the age of 18 months, the child simply sees a "sociable playmate" in the mirror's reflection..." In the context, this sentence is clearly wrong, but I do not know what the correct age should be instead of 18 months given. Thought I would flag it though. 86.9.78.134 (talk) 14:03, 5 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]