Talk:Shamgar

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I could maybe imagine Shamgar could have killed 6 men with a ten-foot pole. perhaps the story was exaggerated ten or 100 times?

Well it's not really up to your imagination as the Biblical text stats what he did. The text also offers us in which way Shamgar killed the 600, for all we know he snuck into their camp and killed them one at a time while they slept. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 99.59.252.60 (talk) 22:08, 30 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Anat[edit]

The article describes his mother as "Anath (the name of a Canaanite deity)". The main article on Anat describes attestations from Mesopotamia, Syria, and Egypt. There are relatively few attestations from Canaan. Is the description accurate? Dimadick (talk) 09:05, 9 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Gotquestions[edit]

That author is a nobody who writes for a user-generated website. At least if he would represent the Southern Baptist Church, he would be quoted on behalf of Southern Baptists. But as such, he is an authority in nothing and he represents nobody.

See Talk:Jesus/Archive 127#Cause of death = pericardial effusion + pleural effusion.

As you perhaps know, Christians are not allowed to tell lies, so an explicitly non-denominational website cannot speak on behalf of the Baptist Church. As long as they wear the non-denominational hat, they may represent no church and they do not speak for any church. It's heresy that a bunch of non-denominational Christians would represent the Baptist Church.

AlphabeticThing9 you're violating a guideline, gotquestions isn't WP:RS and should not be used.

... and, it wasn't unexplained. The explanation was WP:SPS, you might want to read it.

Gotquestions is not affiliated with a church, so they represent no church, they speak for no church, they speak for nobody in particular. So it even fails WP:ATTRIBUTEPOV.

It is a self-published site written by a bunch of amateurs. Where did they got their PhD, ThD, or DD? In a box of crackerjacks?

Rumor has it that they are Baptists. But they claim no formal affiliation with the Baptist Church, so they may not speak on behalf the Baptist Church. They cannot be WP:CITED for the viewpoints of the Baptist Church, since they don't have the credentials of publicly representing it.

Press statements by Ed Litton may be quoted to WP:Verify the POVs of the Baptist Church, but gotquestions is useless as a source for Wikipedia.

What we won't do is quote amateur theologians who play hide and seek with their religious affiliations.

And, correct me if I am wrong, gotquestions are a bunch of anonymous amateur theologians. That completely fails the WP:RS guideline. tgeorgescu (talk) 10:01, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Who is Shamgar?[edit]

I had never heard about him until a while ago, and at first glance in the Bible, he seems to be a judge that isn't quite noteworthy other than the staggering amount of people he killed.

The fact that he killed 600 Canaanites isn't that unrealistic when you look at other places in the Old Testament. King David, when he was serving under King Saul, killed 200 Philistines (1 Samuel 18:27), and Samson killed 1000 Philistines with a donkey's maw. (Judges 15:15)

It's just as possible that an ox goad is Shamgar's preferred weapon of choice and his total kill count is 600, over many different battles. Giacomo Oakenstand (talk) 01:45, 25 March 2024 (UTC)[reply]