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Song Artist Attribution Mistake[edit]

At the 'In Song' section, the song "Boogie Down Bronx" is incorrectly attributed to JVC Force, who are linked to Boogie Down Productions. In reality, Boogie Down Bronx is correctly attributed to Man Parrish in his discography on Wikipedia.

Citation here: http://www.discogs.com/Man-Parrish-Featuring-Freeze-Force-Boogie-Down-Bronx/release/33761

I have amended this personally and have noted this to inform the mods and to prevent edit wars. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Zkrjebril92 (talkcontribs) 20:02, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Capitalization again[edit]

Again, another discussion has started over capitalization, this time at my talk page. Epicgenius (talk) 19:54, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

East vs West Bronx[edit]

The current information at the top of the article about the division between the East and West Bronx and the size of the West Bronx relative to the East Bronx is incorrect. The West Bronx includes everything west of the Bronx River (the entire Annexed District), not just the area west of Jerome Avenue. Jerome Avenue just divides the street addresses, not the sections so there are buildings in the West Bronx with an "east" number. It's confusing, but it is true. This debate was resolved on the West Bronx page years ago. So saying that the West Bronx is 1/8th the size of the East Bronx is incorrect. I tried to fix this a couple days ago--in an admittedly clunky fashion--but the edit was reverted. I have no intention of starting an edit war so I'll leave it in the reverted form, but it is factually wrong if commonly believed. The lead in of this page as currently written is inconsistent with both the East and West Bronx pages. It would be nice if this could be discussed here and a solution found (6 Aug 2014). — Preceding unsigned comment added by 128.59.43.69 (talk) 13:48, 5 August 2014 (UTC)

External links abuse edits[edit]

Joestanza (talk) 14:06, 1 February 2015 (UTC) There are several users involved in deleting external links maliciously without cause.

What can be done about this?

The reliability of Welcome2TheBronx was questioned yet it is he most quoted source in the mainstream media in the Bronx and has created news stories that are eventually picked up by the mainstream media including the New York Times, NY1, Daily News, Pix11, The Atlantic, Bronx News12 just to name a few. It's Founder and Editor is also a source that is constantly quoted in articles by the NYtimes, NY1, Bronx News12, New York Daily News and many others.

It's reliability is very well established and can be verified by a simple look at its media press page (a large number of recent articles have yet to be added including a recent one in the new York Times from Jan 2nd 2015 (yet another one from that newspaper alone. If Welcome2TheBronx isn't a reliable source, the New York Times or Daily News and NY1 or others would not turn to the page constantly for quotes)

Now, a recent unknown Editor has taken it upon themselves to delete ALL links in that section and not just Welcome2TheBronx. At this point this is just simply abuse.

  • It has been 2 editors who have removed the external link, not just one
  • Cite your sources: who says W2TB is reliable? Has the NY Times or Daily Mail discussed its investigative journalism or reliability? If they have, where and when?
  • Stop accusing other editors of malice. In fact, stop assuming anything about any editor anywhere on Wikipedia. Our actions speak for themselves and do not need speculating on emotions or causes.
  • Yes, I deleted all the purported "newspaper" links, as none of them seem reliable. Some do not have articles, and those that do are plastered with "Citation needed". Not exactly the reliable stuff wanted for external links.
  • 73.17.21.143 (talk) 14:21, 1 February 2015 (UTC)


    • I am not going to comment on whether to link any individual website or not... Just a note on policy for all involved... External links (EL) are governed by our WP:External links guideline, and NOT our WP:Reliable sources (RS) guideline (WP:RS is for sources used as citations). The standards for what is acceptable (or not) as an EL are different from our standards for what is acceptable (or not) as an RS. Blueboar (talk) 14:52, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

Based on information and links provided this topic by Blueboar, the external link of Welcome2TheBronx meets the criteria. The other links are actually questionable at best because they do not all meet the criteria but personally a non issue to me since a few of those sites are valuable.

According to WP guidelines for external links it states the following on blogs that shouldn't be used EXCEPT under the following conditions: "11.Blogs, personal web pages and most fansites, except those written by a recognized authority. (This exception for blogs, etc., controlled by recognized authorities is meant to be very limited; as a minimum standard, recognized authorities who are individuals always meet Wikipedia's notability criteria for people.)" Welcome2TheBronx's Editor and Founder meets this criteria as Wikipedia states: "Editors may also use material from reliable non-academic sources, particularly if it appears in respected mainstream publications. Other reliable sources include: university-level textbooks books published by respected publishing houses magazines journals mainstream newspapers." This has been further established by numerous references in The New York Times, New York Daily News, NY1, and many other reliable sources and sites. Examples are: http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-hipsters-final-frontier-article-1.1537940

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-nonprofit-moving-melrose-article-1.1768119

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-celebrity-superhero-saving-stranded-cat-article-1.1829386

http://m.nydailynews.com/new-york/bronx/bronx-booming-boutique-luxury-hotels-article-1.1937956

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/20/nyregion/friends-hope-death-wont-doom-a-devotee-of-bronx-history-to-oblivion.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/06/07/nyregion/for-fans-in-bronx-lopezs-homecoming-was-overdue.html

http://mobile.nytimes.com/blogs/lens/2013/10/23/street-art-from-the-south-bronx-to-soweto/

http://www.dnainfo.com/new-york/20131217/concourse/landmark-commission-decries-demolition-of-castle-on-concourse


Joestanza (talk) 16:37, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

That only proves that Welcome2TheBronx published the story first. It may not be a reliable source, as the other newspapers (Daily News, NY Times, DNAInfo, etc.) probably did some research of their own confirming the stories from Welcome2TheBronx. Epic Genius (talk) 20:25, 1 February 2015 (UTC)