Talk:Tomáš Jurčo

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Article's title[edit]

This is the English Wikipedia, and according to the policy of WP:COMMONNAME and Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English), this article does not use the subject's name as it might be spelled in Slovakian (with diacritics) as its article title; it instead uses the name that is most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. This includes usage in the sources used as references for the article. Dolovis (talk) 22:01, 29 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The can of worms that keeps on giving- this is not how it is done for hockey players and staff. See Nicklas Lidström, Johan Franzén, Håkan Andersson (ice hockey), Markus Näslund, Tomas Holmström, Dominik Hašek.... The accepted practice is "'No diacritics' on NHL team pages and 'Yes diacritics' on NHL player pages". Rejectwater (talk) 16:34, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, it's 'Yes diacritics' on all player pages. HandsomeFella (talk) 07:55, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Notability[edit]

I am not sure Tomáš Jurčo currently meets notability guidelines. Rejectwater (talk) 16:38, 25 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Pay no attention to my bizarre ramblings. This has already been discussed, and he is obviously notable in his own right. An excellent example of a hockey player failing to meet WP:NHOCKEY while easily passing WP:GNG. Rejectwater (talk) 11:22, 8 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Requested move[edit]

The following discussion is an archived discussion of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on the talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

No consensus to move. Feel free to renominate after the RfC closes. Vegaswikian (talk) 06:52, 24 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Tomas Jurco → Tomáš Jurčo — ~~Request revert undiscussed change and move back to original title~~ to match project standards as set forth at Wikipedia:WikiProject_Ice_Hockey#Wikiproject_notice. Thank you for your time. Rejectwater (talk) 13:17, 17 July 2011 (UTC)\[reply]

Survey[edit]

Feel free to state your position on the renaming proposal by beginning a new line in this section with *'''Support''' or *'''Oppose''', then sign your comment with ~~~~. Since polling is not a substitute for discussion, please explain your reasons, taking into account Wikipedia's policy on article titles.

Oppose move – The relevant policy to determine the appropriate article title is found at WP:COMMONNAME. A search for sources confirms that “Tomas Jurco” is the most frequently used to refer to the subject in English-language reliable sources. Google News search shows 308 hits for “Tomas Jurco”[1], and only 66 hits for “Tomáš Jurčo”.[2] Dolovis (talk) 14:26, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per WP:HOCKEY compromise and non-existant guidelines on diacritics in personal names, whether in WP:AT or WP:UE. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose. Broad consensus reflected at WP:Article titles and WP:COMMONNAME trumps the consensus of a small group at WP:HOCKEY. Per WP:How2title, the topic of this article has one obvious name most commonly used by reliable sources, and that's reflected in the current title. --Born2cycle (talk) 20:03, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Do you seriously mean that what's said in WP:AT about canon vs. cañon (for canyon), and where there isn't even an indication of which is preferred over the other, would have an impact on a personal name with diacritics?

Or are you referring to the discussion of whether the name of the article on President Clinton should be Bill Clinton or William Jefferson Clinton? Well, then how do you explain that there isn't a single example there with diacritics in one variant and without them in the other?

Or is it WP:How2title's choice of Catherine the Great over Catherine II of Russia that delivers the final blow?

What WP:COMMONNAME regulates is such things as whether the article on Mrs. Clinton should be at Hillary Clinton or Hillary Rodham Clinton for example, or whether a person's name is Philips or Phillips, if disputed. It doesn't even come close to mentioning anything about diacritics in a personal name. HandsomeFella (talk) 22:23, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Support per EN WP standard practice to use diacritics. - Darwinek (talk) 18:26, 18 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose This person is a hockey player in North America. Like it or not, NA newspapers and hockey leagues strip diacritics from names, meaning that there is a veritable avalanch of English language sources which use the persons name without diacritics.
— V = IR (Talk • Contribs) 21:30, 19 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
So? HandsomeFella (talk) 21:25, 21 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Discussion[edit]

Any additional comments:

Comment. The nominator makes it seem that the article was recently moved when the last time the article was moved was actually in May. In any case, can we please hold back on starting new diacritics RMs until Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC has been concluded? Jenks24 (talk) 13:51, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comment - The nominator also makes it seem that the article's original title used diacritics when it did not. The article's title was in common name English-laguage form before it was controversially moved without discussion. It was moved back to its original title to invoke Wikipedia:BOLD, revert, discuss cycle. Dolovis (talk) 14:32, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment – Where the article "originally" was is of (comparably) limited interest and significance. HandsomeFella (talk) 15:34, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Comment It was not my intention to misconstrue anything, I simply misinterpreted the page history. My apologies, Dolovis, for suggesting that you had done something that you had not. I definitely did not want to get in the middle of a naming war (how I missed multiple moves is beyond me to explain). Also, I did not realize that a discussion regarding diacritics was underway elsewhere. I second that the request be shelved as Jenks24 suggests, until Wikipedia:Naming conventions (use English)/Diacritics RfC is resolved. Rejectwater (talk) 16:14, 17 July 2011 (UTC)[reply]

The above discussion is preserved as an archive of the proposal. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made in a new section on this talk page. No further edits should be made to this section.

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Stephane Charbonneau - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:23, 16 June 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Move discussion in progress[edit]

There is a move discussion in progress which affects this page. Please participate at Talk:Stéphane Charbonneau - Requested move and not in this talk page section. Thank you. —RM bot 23:02, 16 July 2012 (UTC)[reply]