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Tuckerization contra Biographical Fiction[edit]

I think every example here should be deleted. Problem is: do we have any useful sources, not original research, to quote to establish a difference between the two? Biographical fiction, it seems, is about historical figures. So Gore Vidal's Lincoln is about the 16th President, but contains many secondary, historical characters: Jon Hay, Salmon Chase and Walt Whitman (who visited Chase at his office seeking a job).

Now, how does this differ from tuckerization? I think the difference is: a true tuckerization is included for meta-fictional reasons: author's personal acquaintance, shout out, homage, in joke, &c. Even a raffle for a "guest spot" in a book seems to match this. Historical figures included in period historical fiction are included because: they were there. Perhaps the dates of meetings get shoveled about, perhaps, like Abraham Lincoln Vampire Hunter, events are heavily fictionalized, but nevertheless: they were there. Somercet (talk) 15:36, 21 April 2015 (UTC)[reply]

"Second meaning"[edit]

Removed this, which has no source, doesn't match the rest of the topic, and may be a joke:

A secondary meaning is the act of taking an item from its normal and agreed upon spot, wandering around, and leaving said item in some random spot and instantly forgetting about it. Derived from Lisa Tucker McElroy who does this frequently.

Joe Buckley[edit]

I feel there should be some mention of the many characters named after Joe Buckley in books published by Baen Books. I just can't figure out how to manage it. HTH HAND —Phil | Talk 21:45, 7 October 2006 (UTC)[reply]

If I recall correctly, Joe Buckley is the unfortunate recipient of more horrible deaths than any other tuckerized person. Joe has been killed in one manner or another in just about all of the books from John Ringo. BTW: Ringo is well known for including fan's names as minor characters. Quite often he does a "Name Call" on his facebook page. Though he (and his fans) refer to it as red shirting.. for obvious reasons. Ffr2822 (talk) 23:08, 19 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

It's got to be sourced. In a limited circumstance such as this, the author(s)'s Facebook page(s) would be considered reliable source(s). --Orange Mike | Talk 18:34, 22 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Alice?[edit]

Doesn't Alice of Lewis Carroll's stories count as a very early known incident of this nature? —Preceding unsigned comment added by 67.122.211.215 (talk) 10:19, 7 May 2008 (UTC)[reply]

I wouldn't think so, because it wasn't meant as a "joke" - the character was simply modelled on the real Alice. It would be a joke if a large segment of the audience "got" the joke. Just my opinion. Tkech (talk) 01:39, 3 June 2008 (UTC)[reply]

opposite phenomena[edit]

I've been told that what (for example) Niven & Pournelle did in Lucifer's Hammer among others is not tuckerization because (for example) Dan Alderson's real name is not used. —Tamfang (talk) 11:30, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

It depends on your precise definition of the term; but yours is a good point. --Orange Mike | Talk 15:20, 23 February 2009 (UTC)[reply]

...would it be conceivably reasonable to add something about /negative/-tuckerization ? e.g. as in Waylander (novel)` whereby a character is named/added in order to defame ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 88.185.121.188 (talk) 11:30, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would not be tuckerization; to the best of my knowledge the term has never been stretched so far as to cover such situations, and certainly Tucker himself never did anything of the sort. Given certain portions of the Inferno, you could call such a thing "dantefication"... but all this is original research. --Orange Mike | Talk 14:38, 12 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Fictional characters[edit]

What about what Randall Garrett did in his Lord Darcy stories -- including what might be "tuckerized" versions of fictional characters? (see the Lord Darcy article for multiple examples of this) Can fictional characters be tuckerized? Accounting4Taste:talk 23:20, 6 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Actually, there are tuckerizations in the Darcy stuff: most prominently Sir Thomas Leseaux, the author, stage magician and friend of Garrett's Thomas Waters; murder victim Sir Lyon Gandolphus Grey, who is described with all the characteristics of Lyon Sprague De Camp (with a touch of Gandolf, of course); and Sir James Zwinge (Randall James Zwinge, aka The Amazing Randi). The others are simply literary references, albeit to such noble modern classics as the Chronicles of Civilization penned by the late Dr. E. E. Smith and Archibald Goodwin's memoirs of his work for the studious gourmet Nero Wolfe. --Orange Mike | Talk 19:58, 26 January 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Just an FYI; The Grey character was not in fact murdered in the Darcy series, though he did appear therein. BPK (talk) 14:56, 10 February 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Tuckerism[edit]

The word "tuckerism" does not lead to this article. Ther is also no link here from Tucker's article. 76.90.237.99 (talk) 16:43, 3 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]