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The following is an archived discussion of the DYK nomination of the article below. Please do not modify this page. Subsequent comments should be made on the appropriate discussion page (such as this nomination's talk page, the article's talk page or Wikipedia talk:Did you know), unless there is consensus to re-open the discussion at this page. No further edits should be made to this page.

The result was: promoted by Yoninah (talk) 00:28, 14 February 2018 (UTC)

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National Coalition Party[edit]

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National Coalition Party poster, 1964
National Coalition Party poster, 1964

Improved to Good Article status by Manelolo (talk). Self-nominated at 11:53, 19 January 2018 (UTC).

General: Article is new enough and long enough
Policy: Article is sourced, neutral, and free of copyright problems
Hook: Hook has been verified by provided inline citation
Image: Image is freely licensed, used in the article, and clear at 100px.
QPQ: None required.

Overall: epicgenius (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)

  • (epicgenius (talk) 22:12, 19 January 2018 (UTC)) The sentiment of the hook sounds interesting, but it's kind of long at 186 characters, and it's also a little confusing. How about ALT1 (Edit: see above.):
Hey epicgenius, thx for the fast and efficient review! I'm happy with any of the ALTs, but ALT1 felt the best in my opinion. Manelolo (talk) 23:55, 19 January 2018 (UTC)
@Manelolo: No problem. Just to clarify, do you mean ALT 1A? I numbered them all ALT1, sorry. epicgenius (talk) 00:00, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Epicgenius: Oh, whoops! 1A! Manelolo (talk) 00:17, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Manelolo: OK, ALT 1A is good to go. epicgenius (talk) 02:20, 20 January 2018 (UTC)
@Manelolo: @Epicgenius: I came by to promote this, but "unlike with" doesn't make sense to me. Yoninah (talk) 00:45, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
​How about replacing "unlike with" with "unlike in"? Or just "unlike"? The latter may be grammatically out-of-form, but 99% of readers won't complain. epicgenius (talk) 00:50, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Epicgenius: if you write "unlike in", it makes "other conservative parties" parallel to "urban voters", which doesn't work at all. (I can't explain the grammar, I just know it.) Do you want to try something like:
  • ALT2: ... that while urban areas generally don't support conservative parties in Europe, urban voters do favor the Finnish National Coalition Party (pictured)? Yoninah (talk) 01:01, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • ​Yes. That's better than anything I could come up with. epicgenius (talk) 01:38, 6 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Thank you. Restoring tick per epicgenius' review. Yoninah (talk) 13:26, 6 February 2018 (UTC)

Crossposted from WT:DYK:

​ On second thought, how about this: "... that the push by the Finnish National Coalition Party (poster pictured) for Prince Frederick Charles of Hesse to become King of Finland failed?"
Don't have a good English source within this timeframe, only Finnish: [1]. A Google Translate of the relevant part here. Manelolo (talk) 11:18, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

End of crossposting.

Manelolo, the problem with your proposed ALT IMO is that it isn't clear that that's what happened in the article. Might I propose the following hook as an alternative:

  • ALT5: ... that in 2011, the National Coalition Party (poster pictured) became the largest political party in Finland for the first time in its 92-year history?

- a simple fact that should be easy to verify IMO. Gatoclass (talk) 12:46, 10 February 2018 (UTC)

@Gatoclass: How kind of you! Looks good, thank you! Manelolo (talk) 12:47, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
No problem, I guess I felt a bit responsible for this since IIRC I was the one who originally pulled it. I will restore this nomination and we'll see if we can get it moving again. Cheers, Gatoclass (talk) 13:04, 12 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Somebody needed to review new hook ALT5. Gatoclass (talk) 02:18, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • Manelolo We need a source after the sentence that contains the fact. I found this Norwegian source for the fact, but I guess there is a Finnish source for the fact at the end of the paragraph that you could use. Article is inline sourced to reliable sources without copyvio, neutral and I am ready to approve once the hook is properly sourced. As for 93 years, since the party was founded in Dec 18 and election in April 2011, you could argue it's more like 92. Iselilja (talk) 22:16, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
  • @Iselilja: Hohooo, seems like a fun rule. I amended the structure so that the refs follow a compound sentence: "In the 2011 parliamentary election, the party finished first place for the first time in its history with 44 seats, despite losing 6 seats, and party chair Jyrki Katainen formed his cabinet as a six-party coalition government from parties on the left and on the right after lengthy negotiations. (3 refs here)" Agree on the 92 years, amended hook. Tusen takk! Manelolo (talk) 22:44, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Yeah, I know the DYK nitpicking is really fun. I am assuming good faith that one of the three sources (Two Finnish, one off-line) include the fact that it was the first time they became the largest party in Finland, and I have verified the fact in the Norwegian source linked above. Article is within policy and the photo is legit. The hook is actually a iittle bit tame considered the more dramatic aspects of Finnish history, but we are done now. (Personally, I think the name of the party's first president, Svinhufvud, is a pretty cool fact). Iselilja (talk) 23:08, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
Thank you! Tame and safe might be better in this particular case. (PS. Holymoly never thought about translating the name. Sadly there might not be a proper source for 'pighead'.) Manelolo (talk) 23:24, 13 February 2018 (UTC)
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