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Reformat[edit]

I dislike the new format. The words are to small and the centering of the text makes it hard to line up the catergories names and the objects. Jedi6 17:23, 16 February 2006 (UTC)

I formatted it this way so as to limit the amount of space, as that was the primary complaint last time we merged the film and EU templates. The Wookieepedian 11:00, 20 February 2006 (UTC)
Any ideas where to put the portal link at, Portal:Star Wars? Jedi6 22:19, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Capitalization[edit]

Complaint: I think "KotOR" looks really bad; any reason it shouldn't just be "KOTOR"? I only ask because there's a discrepancy between KOTOR 1 and KOTOR 2; the first refers to itself repeatedly as KotOR, while the later says KOTOR. I prefer all upper-case letters, personally. EVula 04:41, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

While it looks bad, the correct form is KotOR because in Knights of the Old Republic the "of" and "the" parts of the title would be lower case. Jedi6 06:59, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Shrink[edit]

Basically, there are two choices - either to shrink the list or delete the Star Wars categories. The size of this template basically nullifies the need for the categories. - A Link to the Past (talk) 20:58, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

three choices - either to shrink the list, delete the Star Wars categories, or just keep them how they are*
The categories are to categorise the articles, the template is to assist in navigation between them. Voretustalk 02:07, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
There is no reason to delete the categories and there is no reason to have the template list just the films. The template serves the purpose of giving a general overview of related articles. Listing just the films does not serve this purpose. Yet, Link, you seem to talk like the template lists everything, which it does not... It lists an overview of articles from each part of Star Wars. The Wookieepedian 02:25, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
General overview? This is one of the biggest templates I've seen. And we do NOT need to assist people in navigating from Episode I to Super Star Wars, no we do not. It is inane to have such a massive template. See: Template:Sonic games, for instance. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:14, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
Horrible example. Star Wars is much, much larger than the Sonic franchise (ten times over).
I wouldn't be opposed to slimming down the existing template, and perhaps spinning some of the sections off into their own templates ({{Star Wars Games}} or similar). But A Link's massive reductions to the template are a bit extreme. EVula 05:56, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
If you want to talk a large template, see {{Buffyversenav}}. But with the Star Wars template, I've just drastically cut down the template, yet the it still remains comprehensive. Take a look. The Wookieepedian 06:38, 2 November 2006 (UTC)
I think that makes the template less useful. It's harder to branch out to multiple windows with that template. I don't see what was wrong with the old one.Rhindle The Red 21:18, 19 November 2006 (UTC)

Expanding the template[edit]

There is barely anything on the current template. I think that, at the very least, the six films should be added to it. I think it would be smart to also add the TV series and TV movies. --Hotdoglives 07:52, 28 February 2007 (UTC)

I expanded the template. I don't think we should add any of the books/comics/games to the main template, or it will get too messy. The links to the lists of books/comics/games should do. --Hotdoglives 22:17, 7 April 2007 (UTC)
The full scope of the template has changed several times. Edit with caution. :) EVula // talk // // 23:16, 7 April 2007 (UTC)

The Great Heep[edit]

I added the Great Heep TV special (the follow-up to the Star Wars: Droids series) to the "Spin-off films" section of the template. Even though it was produced by the same people as the series, it was produced and aired separately as a TV special, not as an episode of the series; so I think it qualifies to be listed on the template. --Hotdoglives 07:32, 17 May 2007 (UTC)

Universe[edit]

I added a 'universe' section, with links to directories of Characters, Locations, Creatures, Vehicles, Items, Conflicts, and Dates. This should eliminate the need to add long lists of characters and the like to the template. Hotdoglives 02:09, 16 September 2007 (UTC)

Font and color change[edit]

I changed the title text to yellow and the group header text to blue, and all of the header texts to sans-serif according to the movie title and credits. I declared sans-serif for the header texts because I, for one, like to read most stuff in serif text (specifically Palatino Linotype) but this Star Wars template should be an exception. If you want to revert it for whatever reason, I'd recommend simply not declaring any specific coloring or anything. After all, when do you ever see white text in one of the six Star Wars movies? D. F. Schmidt (talk) 05:23, 13 January 2008 (UTC)

"Sequel Trilogy"[edit]

Is there any good reason for this to be on the template? Rhindle The Red (talk) 17:42, 18 August 2009 (UTC)

It has an article, is related to Star Wars, and is likely to be something readers of other Star Wars articles will be interested in. Powers T 20:54, 18 August 2009 (UTC)
There are lots of articles that fit that description, but aren't in the template. This article also has barely enough information to justify itself. A few careful trims and this could be absorbed into Star Wars without making a ripple. Rhindle The Red (talk) 01:42, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
Well that's a different discussion. Powers T 13:15, 19 August 2009 (UTC)
No, it's this discussion. Should a minor article that is at best a breakout of another article and at worst is useless be in the template? Rhindle The Red (talk) 16:36, 24 August 2009 (UTC)
No, it isn't as good as the the franchise and film entries. However, unlike the ton of other Star Wars articles out there that aren't in this template, it is rooted in a real-world perspective. I wouldn't be opposed to it being (re?)integrated with Star Wars, but that's a discussion (as LtPowers suggested) for that article's talk page. But, because for the time being it's a standalone article with an appropriate encyclopedic focus, it's appropriate to include on the template. --EEMIV (talk) 17:29, 24 August 2009 (UTC)

It should be under Other Media, as the purported trilogy have not yet been produced into Main Films. Rikkyc (talk) 08:27, 24 September 2009 (UTC)

Currently, there's no place for it. 201.192.6.114 (talk) 20:15, 26 January 2010 (UTC)

The article exists which is enough to signify its inclusion in this navigation box. BOVINEBOY2008 :) 20:29, 26 January 2010 (UTC)
I agree. The article is Star Wars related and should be there. Navboxes are to link to relevant information, not to look pretty. Dream Focus 20:48, 26 January 2010 (UTC)


These are NOT "Main films". Period. 201.192.6.114 (talk) 16:34, 27 January 2010 (UTC)

Never produced, but the subject of cited third-party (and even producer) discussion as potential film projects. They fit appropriately in the "film" category. Please note that the local consensus is for this content's retention; your reversions to the counter are becoming disruptive. --EEMIV (talk) 16:38, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Instead of main films, should it be in the universe category? Or a category called miscellaneous or other. Dream Focus 16:43, 27 January 2010 (UTC)
Of course not; the article address what would be the seventh, eighth, and ninth main films in the franchise; thus, the link belongs under "main films". No one is going to become confused and think the films were actually made just because they're included under "Main films". Powers T 13:32, 28 January 2010 (UTC)
But it is just what probably was just rumored to be a sequal. it should really be under other or see also section. Gman124 talk 16:32, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
So you say, but you cannot impose your opinion by fiat or by persistence. There seemed to be agreement here that the link should stay under "Main films" but you came in and changed it because you disagreed. After I reverted, you should not have reverted it back without gathering a consensus for your change. Powers T 19:39, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
Where does it say that there was an agrreemnet to keep it under "Main Films" section? Initially in this section at least, it was argued that does it belong in the template. and the rest of few people said yes it should be in the template, (none of their statements say it should be in Main Films section) Rikkyc is the first one that said anything about in shich place it should be at. Then Dreamfocus, then EEMIV, then you, and then me here after a few months, so there was no consensus on the placement of sequal trilogy as i see. Gman124 talk 20:25, 31 August 2010 (UTC)
You're right; I overstated the case a bit. The point stands, though, that when a dispute arises, reverting a reversion is not good form. We do things by consensus here. And consensus must be found to make a change, not to preserve the current state. Powers T 22:51, 31 August 2010 (UTC)

Card games[edit]

I agree with TheRealF that there's no need for a completely separate grouping for the various card game spinoffs. It would be appropriate, perhaps, to include a link to the Card games category in the "Other media" group. --EEMIV (talk) 02:31, 3 July 2010 (UTC)

There's a those to that inside the "Other games" link. TheRealFennShysa (talk) 02:38, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
In that case, never mind; card games are sufficiently covered. Despite there being lots and lots of varieties, they're relatively insignificant and don't warrant such a big ol' focus as an entire navbox infobox grouping would offer. --EEMIV (talk) 02:45, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Gotta agree with you two about the card games - I can't see giving such prominent placement to these, especially when they're not even in current production, and one new link (The SW:CCG Players Committee) doesn't even have an article. I'm also troubled by his now labeling his opponent's edits as vandalism - for someone who was demanding other editors discuss things first, he doesn't seem to think the same applies to him. MikeWazowski (talk) 20:54, 3 July 2010 (UTC)
Update: Since Rypcord couldn't be bothered to discuss the situation, and continued to mistakenly call others edits vandalism, I've reported him for edit-warring. Maybe a block will get his attention. MikeWazowski (talk) 16:42, 4 July 2010 (UTC)

Adding the lego films[edit]

I see some edit warring so I read the article for one of the items someone is trying to add under films. Lego_Star_Wars:_The_Quest_for_R2-D2 is sanctioned by Lucasfilms, and premiered on the cartoon network. So it is Star Wars related and should be somewhere on the template, as well as the others. Perhaps a lego section? Dream Focus 17:24, 15 January 2011 (UTC)

Not everything Star Wars is really in the template. For example characters and other fictional objects have their own template of themselves. I am sure we can work out what can be here though. Jhenderson 777

Television specials[edit]

Such things like The Star Wars Holiday Special and The Great Heep were listed as spin-off films but neither were films, both were aired as television specials. Especially The Great Heep which was only 45 minutes long and a prime-time tv special for the Droids animated series. With the upcoming The Padawan Menace special which clocks in at 30 minutes and is Lucasfilm sanctioned, which is thus significant enough (only the third in-canon television special in the entire franchise) to warrant being on the template but too short to be classifed as a spin-off film (It is absurd to leave off a full thirty minute Lucasfilm produced television special off the template. Especially when a five minute short is able to be on the Indiana Jones template.) the addition of Television specials is further warrented. Jyenor86 (talk) 16:59, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Per the discussion above, this can go in the LEGO Star Wars template - as something out of continuity and not in-universe, it doesn't belong on this template. MikeWazowski (talk) 18:06, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Title Font Color[edit]

The template's font color has repeatedly been changed to yellow over black, and has always been reverted, citing color-related problems and such. However, is it possible to have only the title (i.e. Star Wars) be in yellow with a black background and leave the rest of the template untouched? That's the case for this particular template and there doesn't seem to be much of a problem with that one. The colors aren't too distracting on the title alone. ~ Jedi94 (talk) 23:02, 13 July 2011 (UTC)

Obviously technically feasible, but I still think it looks obnoxious. --EEMIV (talk) 04:06, 14 July 2011 (UTC)
The template you linked to no longer has a yellow-on-black title, and is easier to read. --Carnildo (talk) 23:10, 14 July 2011 (UTC)

Expanded Universe[edit]

Now that Lucasfilm has confirmed that only the movies, The Clone Wars, and Rebels are considered canon, should the rest of the television section (Ewoks, Droids, The Holiday Special, etc.) be moved into the expanded universe section? That way they are still links in the template that interested readers can use, but any confusion someone might have is hopefully eliminated. - adamstom97 (talk) 00:05, 30 April 2014 (UTC)

I wonder if instead we step away from the "EU" label entirely: it means something to fans, but someone new to the subject might not know what the/an "Expanded Universe" is. Perhaps go with straight-up media label: television, print, etc. --EEMIV (talk) 01:22, 1 May 2014 (UTC)
Adamstom.97, I'm seeing now that this dovetails a bit with a notion you mentioned a while ago, again in response to Disney/Lucasfilm re-configurating the notion of canon. The same premise applies: canon-ness doesn't mean anything to the vast majority of readers. Frankly, the "Expanded Universe" label should probably be eliminated because it, too, isn't germane to casual readers not familiar (or perhaps only marginally familiar) with the franchise. --EEMIV (talk) 14:46, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

"Canon" irrelevance[edit]

"Canon" is only an important subject to fans, who nitpick about such minutiae and wring their hands over its changes. To the ordinary reader, for whom Wikipedia is the intended audience, "canon" doesn't mean anything. The basic breakdown of media -- films, TV, etc. -- is more relevant. "Canon" might be a good organizing notion at Wookieepedia, but at Wikipedia it really doesn't matter and obscures the content. --EEMIV (talk) 13:40, 27 June 2014 (UTC)

I've left a request for additional input at the Wikiproject talk page. --EEMIV (talk) 14:43, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
If Disney and Lucasfilm have created essentially two seperate franchises now, one that they consider the true Star Wars franchise, and the other for fans of the old EU, then that cannot be ignored here. We cannot chose what is important or what carries WP:WEIGHT, especially when the thing we are ignoring is both so important for a lot of people, and was such a big deal on the internet both at the time that the distinction was made, and most likely in future as new additions to the franchise are made. I understand what you mean when you say canon is trivial, but that label doesn't apply here, because it is now an official, WP:Real world term used by Disney. If the official announcement had not made mention of canon or the EU, then I would agree with you, but as can be seen at at the ref a added in my last edit, as well as numerous other pages on the internet, these have been used in an official, notable manner. As per the announcement, there is now two 'versions of Star Wars', if you like, one being released under the normal Star Wars banner, the other being released under the new 'Legends' banner. This is something we cannot just ignore on Wikipedia, as it is very likely information that people will want to know, especially as more tie-in content is released. Also, your idea that we can't use terms that the general public don't know is ridiculous. Every Wikipedia page turns words like this into links, so that anyone who doesn't know it can quickly find out what it means. Many times I have been researching something on Wikipedia and have come across a new word, that I learnt the meaning of by clicking on. As you may have noticed in my recent edits to this template, I turned the headings "Official canon" and "Legends canon" into links to the canon and EU pages, respectively. Therefore, If someone sees we have made a distinction between certain Star Wars products, but doesn't understand why, they can easily find out by following the links.
PS. Considering there is already a page for both Star Wars canon and the Expended Universe, where they are both referred to in a non-trivial/fanboy way, I don't think you have the right to decide that either of these two concepts do not belong on Wikipedia at all. If you still think you do, how about expressing those ideas over at the talk pages for those two articles? - adamstom97 (talk) 22:28, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
You're right, we have articles on canon and EU, and I've contributed to them. My disinterest in them right now is vis-a-vis an organizing premise/mold for a navigation template, not the merits of e.g. whether they "matter." I think, for instance, that Disney's re-visioning of canon is appropriate for coverage at both of those and that third-party coverage of that decision bolsters the rationale for covering them at Wikipedia. And, in fact, they probably should be included somewhere in the nav template itself as subjects relevant to the franchise. That said, I don't find labels like "Official canon" and "legacy canon" clear to the casual reader; one shouldn't have to investigate those terms in order to decipher/understand the major groupings in a navigation template. I wouldn't expect to find the term "official canon" or "legacy canon" in the lead sections of any of those articles, i.e. wouldn't expect readers to find clarification in the subject one they click one of those links. The labels have relevance to those of us drooling over every slip and sliver of coverage -- in which case, changing the labels doesn't matter to readers like us. But, changing the labels probably obfuscates more than it clarifies for more casual, curious readers. Sorry if that wasn't clear. (Another similar franchise with tiers of canon and official-hood that also keeps casual-friendly grouping labels: {{Star Trek}}.) --EEMIV (talk) 00:27, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
I now understand where your coming from, and agree with you to some extent. However, I'm think that grouping all of these together, especially the tv series, which are under one heading, could be quite misleading to casual readers, especially since, as you pointed out, the individual articles don't state the canon/legends part in the lead. For fans who might be interested in this distinction, but are, say, confused by the official announcement, and looking for some clarity, it is easy for them to see exactly what is and isn't canon. For major fans of the series, it will make perfect sense, and they probably won't even look twice. For much more casual or even non-fans just looking for information, it seems like this is the easiest place to get that information across to them in a simple way, and if they are confused by the headings, then they can find an explanation by simply following the links provided (if they are just looking for information then I doubt they will mind learning something new). You seem to be worried that we are just making this confusing for casual, curious readers, but I think it is probably better that they not understand these two labels, and have to learn more about them by following the links, then if they think these are all together and then later on see something about different continuities, or a certain book or tv show being contradicted or called "non-canon", when they would be even more confused, and probably feel that Wikipedia is out of date. There is always going to be some level of confusion where casual readers are concerned, but I'm confident that adding these two labels will minise said confusion, and allow for more fluent reading and navigation. - adamstom97 (talk) 06:00, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
Right-o, and I see your perspective, also. I don't think either of is necessary "wrong," we're just prioritizing and seeing things a bit differently. Probably best to see if anyone else from the Wikiproject cares to step in with their own perspective. If not, no harm I suppose in taking a stab at using your groupings and seeing whether that altered template "in the wild" garners feedback/concern. Happy editing. --EEMIV (talk) 18:39, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

Removing the subsections[edit]

I strongly preferred the previous setup of the template, where the films were divided by the categories of being a part of the original, prequel and sequel trilogies. As it stands now, it seems rather muddled and confusing for readers who are not so familiar with the films' continuity. Adamstom.97, would you like to explain your perspective, since you established the change and have reverted others' attempts to restore it? DARTHBOTTO talkcont 18:53, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

My issue was that the template was becoming uber-subsectioned, making it longer and longer without taking up the width of the page. So even though it allowed users to see the individual trilogies, it was messy, and though this new format doesn't explicitly state which films make up the individual trilogies, the inclusion of the dates means users can figure that out for themselves (it is pretty clear that there are large time gaps between groups of three films). As for your comment concerning continuity, since its not just the films that have been released out of chronological order, there isn't much we can do here to indicate overall continuity (Template:Marvel Cinematic Universe is in the same boat), so our best option is to stick to the WP:Real world perspective here, and allow the individual articles to establish continuity and relationships between films and series etc. I understand why you preferred the previous setup - I myself had a hand in establishing that - but it turned out really messy, and I realised that it just wasn't the way to go where this template is concerned. Also, thanks for starting this discussion rather than just editing the template. - adamstom97 (talk) 22:46, 15 August 2014 (UTC)

My recent edits[edit]

I've simplified the template for a general audience. Canon is an internal classification system intended for writers and creators of Star Wars fiction. Beyond that, it is really only of fan interest. It's perfectly fine for Wookieepedia to make the distinction between canon and non-canon, but I don't think it's appropriate for a general interest site like Wikipedia.The Wookieepedian (talk) 15:36, 31 August 2014 (UTC)

EDIT: I just read the above discussions on this subject (I didn't notice them when I first posted), and User:EEMIV basically sums up how I feel on the issue. Perhaps we could have a vote? The Wookieepedian (talk) 15:48, 31 August 2014 (UTC)
Per WP:DEM we shouldn't really settle this with a vote. The fact is, as I stated above, though I do see your point of view, the canon and legends distinction is an official WP:Real world distinction made by Disney, and so is relevant to anyone interested in the subject, not just hardcore fans. Those things that are now considered non-canon are currently being released as legends to differentiate them from the official canon. What if someone sees this and wants to know what is being published as what? I am going to the revert the template back to how it was, per the above discussion, but if you still think this should be discussed then I would be happy to do so. - adamstom97 (talk) 02:55, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Adam, it is inaccurate to restore your template overhaul and label it "per talk": per talk, two editors have at various times restored the medium-organized template along lines of real-world significance to casual readers. I believe my last two cents on the subject was to suggest letting the canon-organized version linger out there and see whether anyone else cares. Looks like someone does. My post for comment at the Wikiproject page didn't garner any input; perhaps as a next step you'd be willing to prompt for input from WP:3O? --EEMIV (talk) 14:34, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
Yes, that would be a good idea. The Wookieepedian (talk) 17:49, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
I would be happy to go down that road if that's what you guys are thinking. I can see where you are coming from, and I realise that canon is most relevant to the fans, but I do think that too much emphasis has been placed on it in the general public to be ignored. - adamstom97 (talk) 21:18, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

RfC: Should the template be divided into canon/non-canon sections?[edit]

As can be seen in the discussions on Template talk:Star Wars, there is a dispute as to whether Template:Star Wars should only be divided by media type, or whether it should be further divided into canon/non-canon sections. The Wookieepedian (talk) 18:00, 1 September 2014 (UTC)

The two ideas: media type and canon. --EEMIV (talk) 18:08, 1 September 2014 (UTC)
  • By media type. There's something to say for both approaches, but the out-of-universe one is more appropriate for Wikipedia. Wikipedia is not especially concerned with whether some TV special is canon or not. Fans can use Wikia to categorize by canon. NinjaRobotPirate (talk) 00:08, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • Comment. The canon is out-of-universe as well, because Disney/Lucasfilm releases the two continuities separately, under different names. If this wasn't the case, then you would be right, but in this case, canon vs. legends is not a simple fan definition, it is an official licensing differentiation. - adamstom97 (talk) 04:51, 4 September 2014 (UTC)
  • By canon. My first impulse was to dismiss this option as unworkable (I thought it was meant to be applied to categories, not this template). But seeing the result and knowing that it only applies to notable works (and not characters, world or concepts in the fictional universe), it makes sense to use it as a classification layer - the distinction between canon and the expanded universe is a major official categorization in Star Wars, that helps define how marketing and resource allocation are handled by the owner company.
Maybe it would make more sense to use it as the second layer though, instead of the outer one - the first level could divide by works by media type like in this version, but then the Spin-offs should tell apart the Clone Wars and Rebels from the Battle of Endor and Holiday Special. Diego (talk) 15:18, 16 September 2014 (UTC)