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Vanilla Ice is not a Nu Metal artist[edit]

Vanilla Ice is a rapper it says so on his wikipedia page and whoever made the references saying he was nu-metal are stupid.

The Signpost: 09 April 2014[edit]

New notable band[edit]

Dear 3family6, I think you may like The Overseer, which is now a notable Christian metal band.HotHat (talk) 10:26, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I've heard them. Pretty good, though not innovative.--¿3family6 contribs 15:50, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

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VisualEditor newsletter—April 2014[edit]

Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on performance improvements, image settings, and preparation for a simplified citation template tool in its own menu.

  • In an oft-requested improvement, VisualEditor now displays red links (links to non-existent pages) in the proper color. Links to sister projects and external URLs are still the same blue as local links.
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Looking ahead:  A new, locally controlled menu of citation templates will put citations immediately in front of users. You will soon be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) is being developed. In-line language setting (dir="rtl") will be offered as a Beta Feature soon. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

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The Signpost: 30 April 2014[edit]

Sovereign[edit]

You can listen to the album on iTunes Radio.HotHat (talk) 04:24, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

Propaganda and Excellent[edit]

I have created the articles Propaganda, which should it use the disambiguation of rapper instead, and I created his first album to chart Excellent that may need your clean-up work.HotHat (talk) 20:26, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

You beat me to this, but I don't really care. I'll certainly try to work on these the next few days and get them submitted to DYK.--¿3family6 contribs 21:56, 8 May 2014 (UTC)
I urge and implore you to have at them to make the articles better specimens. You are an invaluable resource on Wikipedia.HotHat (talk) 22:41, 8 May 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 07 May 2014[edit]

Social Club[edit]

I just created Social Club if you want to scrub it of any errors.HotHat (talk) 22:41, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

Also, you can add to it Misfits 2.HotHat (talk) 23:48, 10 May 2014 (UTC)

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The Tunnel Rats[edit]

Sorry, I did not know they were a rap band. I thought it was just a creative name for a record label. I found AllMusic if you want to use the website in the article.HotHat (talk) 22:55, 12 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm working on it already. Take a look and feel free to edit if you want: User:3family6/Tunnel Rats.--¿3family6 contribs 00:04, 13 May 2014 (UTC)

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Your review is not complete. Please see nomination page, above. Yoninah (talk) 22:03, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

Rapture Ruckus new EP[edit]

I just created Invader Volume 1 by Rapture Ruckus if you want to take and look it over.HotHat (talk) 23:20, 14 May 2014 (UTC)

A barnstar for you![edit]

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This is for your efforts in the creation of Tunnel Rats (music group). HotHat (talk) 06:30, 15 May 2014 (UTC)

A page you started (Tunnel Rats (music group)) has been reviewed![edit]

Thanks for creating Tunnel Rats (music group), 3family6!

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We Live As Kings[edit]

I just created the profile article for W.L.A.K. and its album W.L.A.K. if you want to look at them and see about working on any aspect of those articles.HotHat (talk) 06:05, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

Ways to improve New Breed (music duo)[edit]

Hi, I'm Akifumii. 3family6, thanks for creating New Breed (music duo)!

I've just tagged the page, using our page curation tools, as having some issues to fix. Great work. Please add and expand this article.

The tags can be removed by you or another editor once the issues they mention are addressed. If you have questions, you can leave a comment on my talk page. Or, for more editing help, talk to the volunteers at the Teahouse. AkifumiiTalk 18:49, 16 May 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 14 May 2014[edit]

Collision Records[edit]

Do you think it is now notable as a label in order for me or you to create the page?HotHat (talk) 04:36, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Maybe. You'd need some articles talking a lot about Collision. Reach barely manages to achieve notability, Collision is probably even harder to find stuff on.--¿3family6 contribs 17:46, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Update[edit]

This might make you angry, but I just created Love Hope War by Da' T.R.U.T.H..HotHat (talk) 07:06, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Yet, I created another one with The Whole Truth.HotHat (talk) 08:12, 18 May 2014 (UTC)

Hey, I'm glad there's someone else other than just me. I'm thinking that maybe we should start a CHH task force. I could contact Rapzilla and/or Jam the Hype and see they can do an announcement to get more people to help.--¿3family6 contribs 17:45, 18 May 2014 (UTC)
Do you think they would? Do they even care about having Wikipedia pages made? It would be nice to see it done.HotHat (talk) 01:12, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Heartbeat (Da' T.R.U.T.H. album)[edit]

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Template:Did you know nominations/Milan Puskar Health Right[edit]

Hi, just wanted to let you know that you're allowed to suggest alternate hooks, but you can't approve them per Rule H2. Best, Yoninah (talk) 20:48, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

Sorry about that.--¿3family6 contribs 20:55, 19 May 2014 (UTC)
No worries. It's just a frustrating rule, since there seem to be so few reviewers and hooks can sit on the nominations page a few weeks before someone even glances at them. Best, Yoninah (talk) 21:59, 19 May 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Heartbeat (Da' T.R.U.T.H. album)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 21:18, 20 May 2014 (UTC)

Neon Steeple[edit]

You can listen to the album on iTunes Radio.HotHat (talk) 09:06, 21 May 2014 (UTC)

VisualEditor newsletter—May 2014[edit]

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Since the last newsletter, the VisualEditor team has mostly worked on the new citation tool, improving performance, reducing technical debt, and other infrastructure needs.

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Looking ahead:  The toolbar from the PageTriage extension will no longer be visible inside VisualEditor. More buttons and icons will be accessible from the keyboard.  The "Keyboard shortcuts" link will be moved out of the "Page options" menu, into the "Help" menu. Support for upright image sizes (preferred for accessibility) and inline images is being developed. You will be able to see the Table of Contents while editing. Looking further out, the developers are also working on support for viewing and editing hidden HTML comments. VisualEditor will be available to all users on mobile devices and tablet computers. It will be possible to upload images to Commons from inside VisualEditor.

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MOS guidelines[edit]

By the MOSINTRO guidance, the lead section is suppose to succinctly summarize the article contents. So, if we are to take it by its word, this means we have to have background sections, even like the ones that I put into the albums articles that I create. This means the material must be in the body of the article as well not just in the lead. On the subject of saying negative/unfavorable, mixed/neutral, positive/favorable and acclaimed, it is not suppose to be done in the lead section of articles per the same guideline. This means we must report the charting positions with a few select ratings. I prefer the usage of magazines and notable webzines such as Jesus Freak Hideout, New Release Tuesday and Rapzilla. This is because we are not to be editorializing in the lead sections of articles. I would describe it as "just the facts and nothing else". I have violated it countless times, but I am trying to rectify my mistakes on future articles.HotHat (talk) 02:50, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

Yeah, I sometimes violate it too. Just FYI, when I wrote on your talk page about a background section, I merely meant that it should not be a restatement of the lead, not that one should not be included (unless you can't find enough sources to adequately supply a background section). Also, just to clarify, the MOS guidelines don't mean that we shouldn't mention the critical reception, but that specific details should be given, i.e. "Grammy-award-winning" or "positively received, with blank considering the best album blank's career." Don't worry, I've had to learn this all too, mostly through trial-and-error. This a lot of what Wikipedia:Ignore all rules is about.--¿3family6 contribs 17:32, 23 May 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 21 May 2014[edit]

DYK for New Breed (music duo)[edit]

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DYK for Stop the Music (album)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 01:57, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

New article[edit]

I just created Neon Steeple if you are interested. I have taken some of your suggestions about my writing, but I did not include a style section because not enough information at the present moment.HotHat (talk) 07:11, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

Nice job. Looks good. I would just recommend supplying some references for the background section.--¿3family6 contribs 14:07, 24 May 2014 (UTC)

CHH article[edit]

I just created Below Paradise if you want to edit it, and see if you can get another DYK.HotHat (talk) 03:10, 27 May 2014 (UTC)

Maher albums[edit]

I am nominating his first three albums for deletion, so go to Matt Maher's albums deletion debates to discuss.HotHat (talk) 07:46, 28 May 2014 (UTC)

CHH artist[edit]

I just created the new female CHH artist V. Rose.HotHat (talk) 07:06, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

You created her? I thought only God and her parents could do that. Hehe, I know what you meant.--¿3family6 contribs 22:56, 30 May 2014 (UTC)
I should have said article, but you are completely correct.HotHat (talk) 03:23, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Template:Did you know nominations/Propaganda, Excellent, Crimson Cord[edit]

Pinging just in case you didn't see that the review is waiting on a response from you. Thanks! BlueMoonset (talk) 18:41, 30 May 2014 (UTC)

A personal aside[edit]

As you mentioned somewhere, it's just accident that you reviewed two different DYK nominations that I made, and perhaps by now you're wishing to God (or whatever being, beings or spirits you believe in) that you hadn't. I do think you're mistaken re the sourcing in the Gleason article, and if we were just having a normal discussion, on the article Talk page, of normal article development, I'm sure we'd work it out.

My beef, however, is not with you, but with certain people (or, actually, just one I've run into a coupla times recently) who impose their personal views about what DYK articles should look like -- views not in the DYK rules (and in some cases not even in FA rules -- see my most recent post to the DYK nom page) -- and apparently have done so sufficiently often that by mere dint of repetition well-meaning people like you have come to the natural conclusion that these views are appropriate. Things are getting pissy so I wanted to tell you, as an aside, that I'm sorry you're getting exposed to a lot of pissiness not related to anything for which you should be blamed. EEng (talk) 07:47, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you. I know that you're not upset with me, I've been trying to just move on past all of that.--¿3family6 contribs 13:04, 31 May 2014 (UTC)
I gather you're beginning to see why I'm so pissed off. In addition to the two noms in which you were involved, there's also Template:Did you know nominations/Widener Library. I appreciate your willingness to continue participating and bring sanity to this process. EEng (talk) 01:19, 3 June 2014 (UTC)

This is all your fault[edit]

Didn't you know you were supposed to run to the library, look up all the sources, and fact-check every point in the article? [1] EEng (talk) 11:38, 4 June 2014 (UTC)

Requested move for experimental metal[edit]

Hello, I've noticed that there is a new move request for the experimental metal article (back to the previous avant-garde metal title). Since you were involved in the original discussion for the move, I thought that it would be good to notify you (in case you are interested in participating in the discussion). Myxomatosis57 (talk) 09:52, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

Thank you, I had noticed. I'll leave a comment.--¿3family6 contribs 13:03, 31 May 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Propaganda[edit]

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DYK for Excellent (album)[edit]

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DYK for Crimson Cord[edit]

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Suggestion[edit]

What do you think of the Christian music community starting an article such as, 2014 in Christian music? They have them for both hip hop and country, so I don't know why we can have one for the Christian music market.HotHat (talk) 06:31, 9 June 2014 (UTC)

I think it's a great idea. Maybe solicit comments from other active user who are part of the Christian music Wikiproject (speaking of which, are you a member of that? Because you should be!) Look at to find people.--¿3family6 contribs 17:10, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Tunnel Rats (album)[edit]

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Soliciting comment...[edit]

Hi! Would you care to review my FA nomination for the article New York Dolls (album)? The criteria for FA articles is at WP:FACR. If not, feel free to ignore this message. Cheers! Dan56 (talk) 02:37, 10 June 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Tunnel Rats (music group)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Tunnel Vision (Tunnel Rats album)[edit]

Cas Liber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

2014 in Christian hip hop[edit]

I actually said "down" not "slow", but what was looking downwards is now going tremendously upwards. It has gone from a tepid snails pace to that of a furious roadrunner.HotHat (talk) 03:13, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

Charmaine[edit]

I have started here an article to get your opinion on her notability and the respective albums that she released. So, what do you think of the merits?HotHat (talk) 10:08, 11 June 2014 (UTC)

If the reviews have a little more about her life, her article could qualify as start class. The albums meet notability because of the reviews.--¿3family6 contribs 12:50, 11 June 2014 (UTC)
They are trying to get it deleted at Charmaine and All About Jesus.HotHat (talk) 07:26, 12 June 2014 (UTC)
Add to that Love Reality.HotHat (talk) 08:30, 12 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Underground Rise, Volume 1: Sunrise/Sunset[edit]

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Thank you[edit]

You have been a tremendous help to me, and you deserve a huge pat-on-the-back.HotHat (talk) 03:15, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I just want to see more stuff on Wikipedia, particularly Christian music related subjects.--¿3family6 contribs 12:04, 14 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 11 June 2014[edit]

DYK for Tunnel Rats (album)[edit]

Materialscientist (talk) 01:23, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Below Paradise[edit]

 — Crisco 1492 (talk) 09:08, 15 June 2014 (UTC)

Thanks[edit]

Hi. Thanks very much for reviewing Rögnvaldr Óláfsson (d. 1249).--Brianann MacAmhlaidh (talk) 00:05, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. It was fun, and I learned a lot from the article.--¿3family6 contribs 01:04, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Neon Steeple[edit]

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Stuff[edit]

Well, I just put something on Charmaine's deletion discussion that closes the door 100-percent and confirms Notability. So, I must say this was quite the endeavor by us and Mr. Gorlitz. Well, I am sorry that we have some disagreements, but we genuinely try working them out for the betterment of this encyclopedia. I understand about the usages of acclaim, acclamation and praise that they have to be backed up by a source to avoid PEACOCK words. You make me a better editor on here by your criticism, so keep it coming, whenever it is needed of course.HotHat (talk) 16:28, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

That's how Wikipedia is supposed to work - consensus-building and team work.--¿3family6 contribs 18:10, 16 June 2014 (UTC)
Go look at AUTHOR, the No. 3 criterion is the one that has resonance in Charmaine's case because of the reviews.HotHat (talk) 07:38, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I'm not sure if that extends to music albums or not.--¿3family6 contribs 12:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Do you understand Espanola because look here?HotHat (talk) 08:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Ich kann nicht Spanisch. But that source is EXACTLY the type of thing that will seal up any notability issues.--¿3family6 contribs 12:17, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Knock Madness[edit]

The site that the poster links to only shows 2014 tour dates. DepressedPer (talk) 23:13, 16 June 2014 (UTC)

Oh, yeah, I see.--¿3family6 contribs 00:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Metallica image[edit]

Hello. I've noticed that you have returned the old Metallica image. I've originally omitted it because I think an image of the band actually performing would better fit the article. The alternatives you've offered, photos of Slayer and Anthrax, won't do the job because we need a picture of the band explained in the caption. It would be nice if you can find a photo with a higher resolution, but till then, I believe the previous one would serve better.--Retrohead (talk) 15:25, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I meant change the description, too.--¿3family6 contribs 15:58, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
By the way, would you mind leaving a comment at the review page?--Retrohead (talk) 18:54, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
I don't know if I can, seeing as I contributed to the article. I'm also going to add some more bands to the list, so that further creates a COI problem. I can comment, but I cannot support or oppose.--¿3family6 contribs 19:14, 17 June 2014 (UTC)
Nevermind the FAC invitation (haven't noticed that you contributed to the page). Please see if you can add some other bands there.--Retrohead (talk) 19:18, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

Excuse me for being a boring nerd, but I think the current image caption is partially repeating with the second sentence from the prose. As far as I understood you, you don't mind which band is illustrated as long as the photo is in high quality. That said, can I revert to the first Metallica image with a description of their complex song structures?--Retrohead (talk) 22:03, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

I think a certain amount of redundancy is fine, but I don't care one way or the other. I just want to make sure that the pic is a high quality one. You could just as well change the description to note how Anthrax broke away from the traditional thrash metal sound (like the previous description for Metallica said) by adding influences from hip-hop and alternative metal.--¿3family6 contribs 22:08, 17 June 2014 (UTC)

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DYK for Rögnvaldr Óláfsson (d. 1249)[edit]

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List of thrash metal bands[edit]

Hi. Can you avoid using "early" as a time navigation? In that case, it would be logical to place the same tag next to Metallica and Anthrax. And one more thing, incorporating death metal bands who intended to play thrash before they formed is not a good inclusion [2]. Another act described as "melodic progressive black metallers" (whatever genre that is) who only played a "mix of thrash and death" on one LP won't do it either.--Retrohead (talk) 17:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

Retrohead That's fine, take them out then. I honestly am not trying to butt heads or anything, just work things out. I hope you do not feel like I am trying to contend with you or anything.--¿3family6 contribs 17:58, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Never thought of it that way. I think you are doing an excellent job there. If we get this passed (and we're on a good way), you deserve credit as much as I. I'll try to find something about the European thrash bands, so we can have a complete coverage of the other scenes.--Retrohead (talk) 22:33, 19 June 2014 (UTC)
Thanks. The articles on Teutonic thrash metal and Brazilian thrash metal are terribly sourced, so it means that refs will have to be found by scratch.--¿3family6 contribs 22:55, 19 June 2014 (UTC)

V. Rose[edit]

I just wanted to thank you for your continued guidance about my editing, so that I can correct my editing, and make better contributions.HotHat (talk) 03:55, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome!--¿3family6 contribs 04:32, 21 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 June 2014[edit]

New artist notification[edit]

I have created and established the article on Big Smo, for you to edit at your leisure Mr. Mick III.HotHat (talk) 06:38, 23 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for V. Rose[edit]

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DYK for V. Rose (album)[edit]

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Deletion debates[edit]

I just nominated four MercyMe albums, one David Crowder Band album, and one Chris Tomlin album for deletion. These are the independent ones with little to no coverage.HotHat (talk) 05:53, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Stephen II of Hungary has been nominated for Did You Know[edit]

WP:Pop music[edit]

Good news! WikiProject Pop music got enough support to be created! Feel free to add your username to the members list. Cheers! Erick (talk) 18:35, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

Hillsong[edit]

Thank you for your support, any ongoing assistance is greatly appreciated.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 22:43, 24 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome. I'm happy to give up my day to do this (and I mean that not only in sarcasm).--¿3family6 contribs 22:45, 24 June 2014 (UTC)
  • I think your continuing efforts in these articles have shown the merit in my challenging many of the PRODs. You have saved more articles with your effort. I also have to thank you for clarifying the difference between Cross Rhythms and the two refs I supplied at Overwhelmed.
  • I would like further clarification for my further search for RS candidates at ccm/s which are usuable for .au: At Oceans EP AfD you give a ref at Cross Rhythms here, how is this better than advertising at, say, Koorong, here for Overwhelmed? The two seem very similar to my uneducated eye.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 06:04, 27 June 2014 (UTC)
    • The Koorong review is explicitly for the purpose of advertising the album - it appears only in the product listing. The CR news item, while unattributed, is by the CR news division, not the CR store. Yes, there is a link to the store, but 1) the link is for that artist in general, not the particular album, 2) the news item is written in a neutral manner, and 3) the news item is not a product listing, unlike the Koorong source. Koorong is intentionally trying to advertise the album, the Cross Rhythms article is merely letting you know that the Cross Rhythms Store has products by that artist. Can you see the difference?--¿3family6 contribs 00:56, 28 June 2014 (UTC)
      • Thanks for the further explanation, I see the distinction now. Unfortunately I haven't been able to find other .au RS to support the early Hillsong oeuvre.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 07:18, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

ARIA certs? I should have looked through these earlier: its their home country. Also some of their early material is under Hills Christian Life Centre and I was searching per 'Hillsong' and so missed these. I'm now going year by year and using Hills in the find window.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 00:31, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Ah, thanks, I was just curious. You have rescued many a notable album. I have no problem with an album being deleted if it is not notable, but it needs to be demonstrated that an album isn't notable.--¿3family6 contribs 00:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Re: Hills Praise is Experiencing Worship a RS? i.e. Is this review editorial and not advertising? As for an ARIA cert: they only list those awarded from 1997+, so earlier releases may not be listed at ARIA's website.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:19, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

I don't know about Experiencing Worship itself, but this is a promotional/advertising style review, and I don't see any author attributed to it.--¿3family6 contribs 01:24, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
I'll go with your experience (pardon the bad pun) in such matters. What about here for an archive of CCM Record Reviews? This claims the magazine has rated/reviewed numerous Hillsong albums. The Hills Praise review is not authored.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:32, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Who did the original review?--¿3family6 contribs 01:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
This archive site doesn't give that detail. It claims the review was published in April 1998, a wayback machine search of CCM Online only goes back to January 1999, while one at ht.salemweb.net only goes back to 2001 pdfs.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 01:46, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Oh, so it's quoting excerpts from CCM Magazine? If it is indeed a quote from CCM Magazine, you should probably mention that on the deletion debate, so that we at least know that the review is out there.--¿3family6 contribs 02:16, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
It claims to be citing from CCM but I'm not sure of Paul Ganney/ganney.net site's status wrt rs. It doesn't give a page number for the review, but can the review be used as an offline source? Ganney seems to run a fanzine and claims to have published numerous works.shaidar cuebiyar (talk) 03:07, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── I wouldn't use it as a source in the article, but you should mention it on the deletion page as it indicates that there is a print review in existence (per WP:Verifiability, sources need not be in an article, they only need exist).--¿3family6 contribs 12:57, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Your recent research on these albums have been absolutely amazing! Thank you! Jair Crawford (talk) 03:59, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

You're welcome.--¿3family6 contribs 12:54, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

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Some more stuff[edit]

Dear editor 3family6, I just created Hope in Front of Me by Danny Gokey. On another note, I am thinking of putting up for deletion Southern Tracks and Carry Me Home by Third Day, but I am requesting your opinion on the matter first before I go ahead.HotHat (talk) 07:31, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

VERY nice!--¿3family6 contribs 13:01, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
Also, I just created Forever After by V. Rose.HotHat (talk) 13:04, 25 June 2014 (UTC)
HotHat I couldn't find anything for Carry Me Home except the JFH review - go ahead and nominate that one. For Southern Tracks, I found the following: [3], [4].--¿3family6 contribs 13:32, 25 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Knock Madness[edit]

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Remixd[edit]

I fixed it, so look it over please.HotHat (talk) 17:01, 26 June 2014 (UTC)

Another tiresome proposal[edit]

I hope you'll do what you can to whip up some enthusiasm for Wikipedia_talk:Did_you_know#3family6_made_me_do_it. I'm tired of being the guy making all the dead-on-arrival proposals. EEng (talk) 19:17, 28 June 2014 (UTC)

<sigh> Everyone's focused on The Rambling Man. EEng (talk) 15:37, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 June 2014[edit]

The Rambling Man[edit]

You may want to see my comment on the DYK talk page.HotHat (talk) 03:55, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

I have to say I lean toward The Rambling Man on this one - I found your arguments tenuous and difficult to follow. I know that TRM can be brash and borderline disruptive at times, but I really couldn't figure out what your complaint with them was.--¿3family6 contribs 21:27, 29 June 2014 (UTC)

Hope in Front of Me[edit]

I said that because the editor put pop music akin to CCM for a genre in the infobox not for pop rock, but on that subject see if you can confirm pop rock by sources. I think that I may have put that their by mistake, so check it out, will you? Thanks,HotHat (talk) 15:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

So, I take it Christian pop should be listed instead of CCM if you want pop in the genre field.HotHat (talk) 17:36, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

That should work, yes! I don't think I actually saw CCM listed anywhere. :)--¿3family6 contribs 17:37, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Coloman, King of Hungary[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Béla II of Hungary[edit]

Gatoclass (talk) 16:18, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Surprise[edit]

You may want to read my talk page.HotHat (talk) 19:04, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Work[edit]

Some of my Christian music articles were paid for and I cannot make money that way due to changes, so I am out. I did everything to within policies and guidelines.HotHat (talk) 20:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

Just to prove it.BLUEDOGTN 20:29, 30 June 2014 (UTC)

This story just gets better, doesn't it? I will miss a lot of your contributions, HotHat, but it appears you have violated policy regarding multiple accounts, and your recent behavior shows that you cannot work on this encyclopedia.--¿3family6 contribs 20:44, 30 June 2014 (UTC)
Actually, your comment made me come back here one last time because I am no SOCK. Just look at the dates, when only one overlaps. I am telling the truth!HotHat (talk) 13:18, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
  • October 17, 2007=January 22, 2011 as Bluedogtn
  • January 29, 2011-September 1, 2011 as SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow?
  • September 7, 2011-November 1, 2011 as The Gypsy Vagabond Man
  • November 6, 2011-November 24, 2011 as Agape101
  • November 14, 2011- June 30, 2014 as HotHat
I do realize that they do not overlap. I filed a sock report, if your activities don't count as socking, the report will just be closed. You probably should explain things there, though. See Wikipedia:Sockpuppet investigations/Bluedogtn. Even though your accounts probably don't count as socking, they still violate policy regarding multiple accounts. You are allowed to have more than one, but you need to file permission for one. See Wikipedia:Multiple accounts. If you ever decide to come back, you need to fully explain why you used multiple accounts, and why you went on the rants you did shortly before retiring.--¿3family6 contribs 17:52, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Okay, you are a tremendous editor on here, which is why I am sorry that I put you in this perilous predicament. I will comment on the page about my history, so that no one needs to waste time on me, which I consider myself to be a pointless and worthless individual, but I thank God everyday that He does not see it that way.HotHat (talk) 19:54, 1 July 2014 (UTC)
Goodbye, HotHat. I appreciate your disclosure on that page, that went a long way to restoring my trust in you, because you were upfront about your activities. I wish you the best.--¿3family6 contribs 20:12, 1 July 2014 (UTC)

Random break[edit]

Here are the accounts that I used in the timeframes,

  • October 17, 2007 - January 22, 2011 as Bluedogtn user page and talk page, while I was with this account TW-RF June 23, 2009 - May 21, 2010, also TN-IS September 21, 2009 - January 31, 2010
  • January 29, 2011 - September 1, 2011 as SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow?
  • September 7, 2011 - November 1, 2011 as The Gypsy Vagabond Man
  • November 6, 2011 - November 24, 2011 as Agape101
  • November 14, 2011 - June 30, 2014 as HotHat

I was a sock some four years ago, but I have been on the up-and-up ever since then, and I have been an above board Wikipedian, since I started my HotHat days, which if this old crap is enough to block all my accounts then so-be-it. In the long run, I think that I have done more help than harm to this encyclopedia with my creations with regards to tennis and season articles to reduce the size growths on the biographical articles and worked on numerous lists, and golf with the numerous tournament pages and lists particularly the women. I helped to codify the way tennis scores were presented, which is still in use today. I tried and failed on the Lindsey Vonn season article, but that got deleted. I should have titled Lindsey Vonn in 2010 to the 2010 Lindsey Vonn skiing season, but I was dumb at the time and did not understand scope, but I remedied it with 2010 Rafael Nadal tennis season. I started most of the early Roger Federer ones, and converted them to the new methodologies. Now lets get to HotHat and Cloverton that shows and proves that I changed my ways discussion, which it got deleted. Furthermore, I researched and created the RS list of Christian music, and did so with community assistance. I understood with HotHat to put the encyclopedia first before myself, which I did. Hard ass editors like my former self can change their ways, when they look at the person in the mirror. I am telling 100-percent of the truth, so I can be made whole again. 100-percent honesty is the best policy! LOVE!HotHat (talk) 05:58, 2 July 2014 (UTC)BLUEDOGTN 06:00, 2 July 2014 (UTC)

  • You gave me the impetus and inspired me to say all that I have and had done on Wikipedia with your comment above. I hope your life is all you wish it to be. I am going to enjoy relaxing now after work.HotHat (talk) 06:53, 2 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I am truthful and not lying.The Gypsy Vagabond Man (talk) 14:21, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
  • Again, I just wanted to be upfront and show you and all that I am a changed person, so I am so sorry about all that I put you through Mr. Mick III.SaysWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyHow? (talk) 14:25, 3 July 2014 (UTC)
  • I may come back to edit, but doing so unpaid, since I cannot disclose my real identity. I will not be able to utilize any of my former accounts including this one because if my bosses found out then I would be terminated from my job. So, I may look forward to seeing you again under other auspices and another pseudonym user name. I will have to tell my bosses of the new account, so that they can monitor it. I have loved every moment of my editing with you by my side.HotHat (talk) 14:35, 3 July 2014 (UTC)

DYK for Stephen II of Hungary[edit]

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Reach Records[edit]

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DYK for Big Smo[edit]

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DYK for Kuntry Livin'[edit]

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DYK for The Night We Called It a Day (album)[edit]

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DYK nomination of Hope in Front of Me[edit]

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DYK for Forever After[edit]

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DYK for Hope in Front of Me[edit]

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