User talk:I JethroBT

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Hey folks. I've put in a submission for a presentation at Wikimania 2015 called Is Two the Magic Number?: The Co-op and New Editor Engagement through Mentorship. I'll be talking about the state of help spaces on and how our new mentorship space, The Co-op, factors into that picture based on our pilot of the space. Review of those submissions will begin soon and I'll need your help if I want to present it. Please review our proposal and give us feedback. If you would be interested in seeing this presentation, whether you are attending or not, please add your name to the signup at the bottom of the proposal (you do not need to attend Wikimania to express interest in presentations). Thanks a bunch!

Chicago Meetups in 2015?[edit]

Hey Jethro - I know you're active in the meetups scene. Any ideas for what/when the next one will be? Looks like there hasn't been a lot of activity on the page lately. Drummerdg (talk) 07:55, 26 January 2015 (UTC)

@Drummerdg: Yeah, let me talk to TeriEmbrey about when we might arrange our next meetup, and if it's a little ways away, we can consider doing one at another venue like Harold Washington Library or one of the local Chicago libraries. Suggestions are also welcome! I, JethroBT drop me a line 01:01, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
@Drummerdg: and et al. Let me check with PMML's event staff and our current Wikipedian in Residence on when would be a good day. In the past, we've held them on Saturdays. TeriEmbrey (talk) 14:36, 29 January 2015 (UTC)
@TeriEmbrey: Sounds good. Drummerdg (talk) 06:56, 30 January 2015 (UTC)
@Drummerdg: and @I JethroBT: Staff at PMML likes a Saturday in April. So, how does April 18th sound? I need to know that experienced Wikipedians will be here to help run it on whatever day gets chosen, before I request a block on the time/space on our internal calendars. TeriEmbrey (talk) 17:52, 9 February 2015 (UTC)
@TeriEmbrey: I'm not entirely sure I'm "experienced", though I appreciate the sentiment! Of course if @I JethroBT: needs some help, I should be able to lend a hand. Personally, I don't have anything at all lined up for April and can clear that day. Drummerdg (talk) 05:13, 10 February 2015 (UTC)
@TeriEmbrey, Drummerdg: April 18th works well for me. Did we have a theme or topic in mind? What sort of events will the Pritzker be holding around then? I, JethroBT drop me a line 15:01, 16 February 2015 (UTC)
@I JethroBT, Drummerdg: The April book club book is Sgt. Reckless by Robin Hutton. It is the end weeks for the Navy SEALS exhibit as the Summer exhibit follows the career of Erasmus Corwin Gilbreath who fought in the the Civil War, the Indian Wars, and the Spanish American War. I am not tied to any one theme as there is so much to do to make Wikipedia better. Glad to hear April 18th works for everyone. TeriEmbrey (talk) 14:48, 17 February 2015 (UTC)

GAR for Sunil Kumar Verma[edit]

Dear I JethroBT, nice to read the history of your name! You wrote it was Bot before and now 'BT' and that BT has no specific meaning. in India BT means 'Basic Teacher'. That is a well known degree title here, and the one who completes BT become Basic Teacher and writes 'BT' after their names.

Well, I was referred to you (here) by @Jim Carter:. I shall be grateful if you could help in GAR of my another article Sunil Kumar Verma. It has just been checked and 'Copyedited by Philg88 and before that by W.carter and me. All the issues raised in GA (here) have been addressed and seems to be ready to go now! Your help would be highly appreciated. rgds. Educationtemple (talk) 08:41, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: Hah, that's interesting. Never knew about that particular degree title. As for the GAR, I'm interested, it'll have to wait until after this weekend-- I'll be out of town and unable to use the Internet. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:08, 5 February 2015 (UTC)

OK. Cheers! Educationtemple (talk) 12:49, 6 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear JethroBT, could you please find some time to review Sunil Kumar Verma as you promised. I shall be grateful. Educationtemple (talk) 12:47, 13 February 2015 (UTC)

@Educationtemple: Thanks for the reminder; other priorities caught up to me this past week, but I am very sorry for inconveniencing you. I will check it out this evening. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:05, 14 February 2015 (UTC)

Thanks Jethro. Once you finish all comments, I shall try to address them one by one. So, please go ahead and finish the review as per your convenience of time. Thanks again. Educationtemple (talk) 19:28, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Draft New Article - Sir Andrew Flamock[edit]

Hi Jethro,

I have started a draft article for the Tudor Courtier Sir Andrew Flamock in my sandbox. I believe he is noteable primarily for his notorious schoolboy humour gaffe made to Henry VIII about Anne Boleyn but he also played his part in various other Tudor actions particularly as the Kings Standard Bearer. If you google Andrew Flamock and Andrew Flammock you will see he pops up in literature, comedy and historical contexts.

Do you agree he is worth his own page as I don't want to spend time writing something only for it to be deleted?

Sliven2000 (talk) 16:53, 1 February 2015 (UTC)

@Sliven2000: Sorry for the slow response, I've been visiting family. If I have time today, I can check it out and give you my impressions. Otherwise, it'll need to wait until after this weekend as I'll be away from the Internet. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:09, 5 February 2015 (UTC)
@I JethroBT: Hi Jethro, this weekend is fine. Having thought about it some more, although Andrew Flammock tale is interesting it is what his tale tells about Henry VIII and Tudor politics which is most important imo, i.e.
  • 1 - Henry had a coarse sense of humour when it suited him
  • 2 - His sense of humour failure with the crude jest about Anne Boleyn demonstrates he really did love her
  • 3 - Henry's subsequent forgiveness and promotion of Andrew Flammock after the beheading of Anne Boleyn demonstrates the fickleness of Tudor politics
Let me know your first impressions this weekend and if you have any questions let me know. Sliven2000 (talk) 13:13, 6 February 2015 (UTC)
Hi Jethro, Any chance you could have a quick look at the Andrew Flammock article soon please? I've just had to unarchive this as it got zapped by some bot! Sliven2000 (talk) 14:52, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@Sliven2000: Is the draft at User:Sliven2000/sandbox? There are no sources on the article right now, so until there are, I can offer nothing helpful in terms of advice. I don't have time right now to do research or build articles, so you'll have to find these on your own. I, JethroBT drop me a line 14:57, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
@I JethroBT: Yes it is in my sandbox. The refs are original sources like the Patent Rolls etc plus contemporary books which you probably will not be able to access without going to a History Library. Is there a history community on here who might have a view? Sliven2000 (talk) 13:58, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
@Sliven2000: If these are primary documents, they can definitely be used to verify those details, but I'm concerned about Sir Flamock's notability. Documents patent rolls generally don't provide the kind of coverage that's needed for biographies. The contemporary books, however, sound more promising. I would recommend beginning to add those books in to the article. Sources don't need to be online, so start adding them in whenever you can. To get back to your original question about whether it's worth your while to write this, you need to ask yourself whether there is in-depth coverage of the subject based on reliable sources. My opinion is that I don't have enough information: The points you've brought up above do not suggest notability, but you've said there are contemporary sources, so maybe. As for a community of editors, WikiProject Royalty and Nobility might be a good place to get feedback. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:27, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

Meetup Chicago[edit]

I was wondering if I could help coordinate a photowalk or some other event in Chicago since it is so difficult to coordinate one in St. Louis. I will likely be in Chicago the last week of March, which is coming up fast, but I can usually make an excuse to be there in the summer or whenever. Best, Mark Schierbecker (talk) 18:42, 16 February 2015 (UTC)

@Mark Schierbecker: Yeah, let's make that happen! I think it'd be better to schedule this for the summer. I've actually just scheduled some edit-a-thons in late March and mid-April in the Chicago area, so I think a photowalk would be better to run in the summer. So far, I'll only be unavailable in July for Wikimania in Mexico from July 15-19th. Maybe we can shoot for something in June? I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:11, 17 February 2015 (UTC)
That sounds good. I'll make sure to get back with you sometime in March. Mark Schierbecker (talk) 22:12, 18 February 2015 (UTC)

Chicago ArtAndFeminism Editathon, March 7[edit]

Not sure if you're already aware of this, if you like we can put you in touch with the event organizers there: Wikipedia:Meetup/Chicago/ArtAndFeminism 2015.--Pharos (talk) 17:16, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

@Pharos: Dang. Sadly, I'll be out of town for this event, but I can publicize on the WP:CHICAGO talk page and see if I can get a mass message out. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:07, 20 February 2015 (UTC)
Do you or @Keilana: have a good idea of a particular Wikipedian we can maybe introduce to the Art Institute people by email before the event?--Pharos (talk) 20:34, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 18 February 2015[edit]

New Wikipedian in Residence at PMML[edit]

Jdanbeck started today. If you get a chance, please send him a welcome message. TeriEmbrey (talk) 17:00, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Seeking help with attribution and paraphrasing[edit]

Hello! You don't know me, but Lightbreather mentioned you as a possible lead in helping me find some help at Rose-Baley Party. Specifically, there have been some concerns about my paraphrasing, sourcing, and attribution. I think much of the problems are already resolved, but I need a neutral second or third opinion on the current state of the article regarding these points, as well as any relevant advice moving forward. Thanks! Rationalobserver (talk) 17:19, 22 February 2015 (UTC)

@Rationalobserver: Thanks for coming to ask. I'm a bit occupied this evening, but I'll check over the talk page to see what's going on. I, JethroBT drop me a line 19:21, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you! Rationalobserver (talk) 19:24, 22 February 2015 (UTC)
Thank you sooooo much for helping me! I was wondering if you read the entire article, or did you just focus on that one section? If you did, do you think it's decent? Do you think the rest of the article has sufficient attribution and paraphrasing? Rationalobserver (talk) 23:49, 23 February 2015 (UTC)
You're welcome! I didn't read the whole article, just that particular sections because it seemed the most problematic. I'm a little strapped for time right now because of both this mentorship space I am piloting soon and off-wiki matters, so I can't devote time to reviewing the whole article for a bit. I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:02, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Does that mean you will review the entire article when you have more time? Rationalobserver (talk) 19:35, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
@Rationalobserver: I will. I would say once March is over, I will definitely have more time, though I will visit the article if I find myself with some spare time. It does seem like you are getting a lot of feedback right now though, but if you prefer I give it a once-over, I can do that. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:18, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
Whatever works best for you, I JethroBT (can I call you Jethro?). If you are too busy right now then feel free to do it when things calm down, as I'd rather get you at your least time-constrained. Having said that, it would be really nice to have someone dispel the concerns sooner rather than later, but I'll be equally appreciative for whatever time and effort you can afford me, now or later. Rationalobserver (talk) 21:00, 24 February 2015 (UTC)
@Rationalobserver: Yeah, you can call me Jethro. And I realize when you're improving an article, you want to get feedback sooner rather than later, but please remember there are no deadlines. Keep in mind also that I am by no means the best person to ask about article work-- yes, I've written some and some of them have green blobs. But if this and this are any indication, I have a lot to learn. I, JethroBT drop me a line 22:33, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
By all means take your time, Jethro. I don't want to pressure you, as I appreciate your help. None of us are perfect, but some of us are nicer than others! Rationalobserver (talk) 22:38, 26 February 2015 (UTC)
When you're ready, I've opened Wikipedia:Peer review/Rose-Baley Party/archive1. Rationalobserver (talk) 19:11, 2 March 2015 (UTC)


Hi Jethro. Based in Thailand, it is going to cost me an abolute fortune to attend my 4th Wikimania in a row, this time round I will have to base my decision to attend in Mexico strictly on the quality of, and personal interest level in the proposed presentations. I would like to know as soon as possible if your Co-op presetation has been retained for Mexico and that you will definitely attend. Thanks. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 23:59, 26 February 2015 (UTC)

@Kudpung: Certainly. I'll let you know as soon as final decisions about submissions are made, which are due to be sent out on 1 April 2015. I appreciate your interest in my submission, and hope to see you there if everything works out. I, JethroBT drop me a line 00:08, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Thanks. I'm not signed up as a developing participant of your Co-op project but I am extremely interested in it and it has my full, but tacit support. I might however give you some feed back if I get time over the next few days. --Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 00:13, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
Hey, Jethro, will you attend if your presentation is not accepted? Jim Carter 05:05, 27 February 2015 (UTC)
@Jim Carter, Kudpung: Yes, I'll go even if my presentation is not accepted. The outcome of my scholarship application is more relevant to me— if I do not get it, I will still go, but only for part of the conference rather than the full five days. I, JethroBT drop me a line 05:14, 27 February 2015 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 February 2015[edit]

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CO-OP mentor template improvements[edit]

The image template needs some lua work- it may work for portrait images but it doesn't perform in landscape. And there are a whole host of reasons why the image would be in landscape. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 14:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@ClemRutter: Hey Clem, thanks. Yeah, I am aware of the problem, and it just looks plain bad. Jmorgan (WMF) will be addressing this, and I've made a task that explains this issue here on Phabricator (the newer bugzilla basically). I would do it myself but I am not familiar enough with Lua to do so. I, JethroBT drop me a line 20:02, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
The issue is CSS border-radius property, not Lua. I can address it if you'd like, but it will have to wait until after Wednesday. Others are welcome to experiment with solutions: the relevant CSS is on line #32 of this submodule. It works like a template; you can make changes and then preview them on a particular page that transcludes the module by pasting the URL of that page below the edit window. Cheers, Jmorgan (WMF) (talk) 22:25, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
@Jmorgan (WMF): Fixed the issue. Thanks for the instructions! Seems that forcing the height of the image results in it being cut off for some reason, so I just removed the height parameter entirely. This does mean that long images are going to be longer, like on my profile, but that seems OK to me. I've also removed the gray circular background just because most images folks use are likely to be rectangular. I, JethroBT drop me a line 23:37, 1 March 2015 (UTC)
@ClemRutter: See above-- WP:Co-op/ClemRutter is looking good. :) I, JethroBT drop me a line 02:50, 2 March 2015 (UTC)
Yes. -- Clem Rutter (talk) 09:04, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

Linguistics editathons in Chicago July 2015[edit]

Hi Jethro!

I'm a linguist and I'm planning a series of editathons for July 2015 in Chicago to improve linguistics-related articles on Wikipedia, especially linguistics stubs, biographies of female and other minority linguists, and under-documented languages.

Background: I'm planning them for July 2015 in Chicago because that's when the four-week Lingusitics Summer Institute will bring several hundred linguists from many institutions to the University of Chicago for special courses, to attend conferences and workshops, and so on. The organizers of the institute have already agreed to give me space for editathons on Wednesday afternoons, the 8th, 15th, 22nd, and 29th, which we've agreed is the best time in the schedule, as well as a seminar on how to use Wikipedia in the classroom. I'm hoping to not just improve linguistics-related articles, but also to increase editathon and Wikipedia expertise among linguists. I already organized an editathon in January at the Linguistics Society of America annual meeting, which went well (see report here), and I'm organizing another virtual editathon via the #lingwiki hashtag on Twitter for the last weekend in March.

User:The Interior sent me to you and User:Keilana because he thought you might be in Chicago in July and willing to come help out at the editathon (I'm fairly familiar with Wikipedia policy due to a long history of lurking, but it'd be good to have more expertise around, especially as I think we may get quite a few participants!). I'm also planning to apply for funding from Wikimedia for the Chicago editathons, so if you have any advice on that I'd certainly appreciate it! Thanks! --Gretchenmcc (talk) 23:46, 1 March 2015 (UTC)

@Gretchenmcc: Nice to meet you! July 2015 sounds good to me. I have a busy next couple of months of my own right now, particularly with this mentorship space I am piloting for a grant I'm on and a few edit-a-thons at the University of Chicago Library (March 21) and at the Pritzker Military Museum & Library (April 18). So, I probably won't be able to help too much with coordinating things during that time. But I'd love to come and help you advertise for the event. I often make basic event pages WP:Meetup/Chicago 9 like this one, for example. You can feel free to steal that and start setting up an event page as you start finalizing details. As for grants, Project & Event Grants are where you'll want to start for getting funds for an edit-a-thon. I have not applied for one myself yet, but I will likely be doing the same soon. Maybe we can help each other out on that as we get started. :) I, JethroBT drop me a line 08:59, 2 March 2015 (UTC)

GA Review Sunil Kumar Verma Part II[edit]

Hello. I am still waiting for your comments please. Thanks. Educationtemple (talk) 15:00, 2 March 2015 (UTC)