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Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe Today (4th nomination)

Hi I Jethrobot. Because you participated in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe Today (3rd nomination), you may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Universe Today (4th nomination). Cunard (talk) 23:05, 7 July 2012 (UTC)

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Systems Science - IIT Rajasthan

Repeated message on user's own page.

Hi!! The permission for reproducing the copyrighted content under the Creative Commons Licence has been obtained, prior to uploading the content on Wikipedia. The Institution has been willing to share the content in the public domain for public benefit. This is the very reason I have given a reference to that page in the article. Thank you for your offer I,Jethrobot, and I welcome the offer. My aim is to simply create a stub/ skeleton for others to work upon, and keep adding and editing the information. As you might have noted, the content put up is a bit too technical. However I am sure that in the course of time, with community editing, the content on the wiki will have been modified to an extent by users, such that it can be understood universally. At the end of the day, I believe that we will definitely have unique content on the wiki.

As for independent sources on whether the course is notable or not

Considering the one percent rule, if these many people are wiling to post their queries on the web (google puts it around 75), there will be ten times that number who is actually looking for that information.

In case this article, which seeks to provide information to public about a revolutionary, and unheard of course (in India) still follows under the criteria that it needs to be deleted, kindly tell me, why this article or Weill Cornell Medical College this one should not be deleted, since it is also of the same kind, about a medical school, a part of a bigger university having its own wiki page. In the same manner as you follow School/College system under different universities in the US, in India we have the system of different dpartsments (called Centre of Excellences, in this case) under bigger universities/institutions. The article proposed for deletion is not about a particular course. Instead it is about an entire department (CoE), which is of the same stature. If you think that IITs are unheard of, and do not deserve as much attention as an institute that does not even figure in the top 100 in various rankings (Cornell University), then please read article. Being in a third world country, the exposure on international media is limited, but, this is not the sole criteria that it is unworthy of attention.

I meant no offence to Cornell University or anyone associated with it. I have just used an example to prove that similar pages do exist on wikipedia, and if rules apply, then by the basic doctrine of equality, equal/same rules should apply to equals. If such articles are allowed to exist, the there is no reason why this article cannot, and if this article is to be deleted, then same should be the case with similar articles like those I have mentioned.

Mrehanms (talk) 00:36, 17 August 2012 (UTC)

User boxes

Hi, thanks for your replyI was wandering how to put user boxes on my user page, thanks again — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ncbwfc (talk • contribs) 10:30, 18 August 2012 (UTC)

Reply to Question

Firstly, cheers on the reply, i hadn't thought I'd get a personal reply, Secondly, please feel free to post your comments on my HMUN entry, either on its talk page or here (or if they are easy pick out (i.e. not completely mixed in with my own comments) just edit the entry and I'll deal with it

In answer to your question, i just find the point that the Wiki way of effects, which is said to be easier than HTML, most definetly isn't - it starts out easy(ish) but gets worse very quickly. I taught myself GuideML (the beeb's form of HTML) pretty quickly and I definetly found it easier than the system here

I'm struggling to remember the rest of my mini comment, so I'll end my message there for now Cheers Nbb Nosebagbear (talk) 19:37, 19 August 2012 (UTC)

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Regarding edits to Dougie Brimson's page

Hi Jethrobot, In the first reference, the sentence was referring to Dougie Brimson's actions on the forum, and the response of forum members, would the forum not be the correct citation in this instance? — Preceding unsigned comment added by Mistressminerva (talk • contribs) 08:53, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Request for discussion

Hi. I'm the new editor you helped in Teahouse. When I was translating the article Culture of Singapore, I found the article has quite a lot problems. I have mentioned them on the talk page but nobody noticed that. Could you go to the talk page and help fix those problems or give some suggestions?Professorjohnas (talk) 14:37, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Benjamin Moore & Co.

This has been raised at ANI. I presume you checked this to insure there is no copyvio? Are you aware of Wikipedia:Manual of Style/Trademarks? In any case, I've reverted you as I believe there is copyvio. I'd like to know what checks you did as obviously you were clearly sure there was no copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 16:14, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Sorry, but that's not how the game is played. To claim there is copyvio means you have to provide evidence. I see that you have now, but the reason I initially reverted Barek's removal was because the user claimed copyvio without pointing to a source. I've cleaned up the page with reputable sources, many of which should have been clear to you since the Benjamin Moore website points to reputable sources for their awards (but Barek removed them). I'll make similar comments at ANI, and I'm not sure there's much else to say. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 19:17, 21 August 2012 (UTC)
I deal with copyvio a lot. I would never restore like that even without being given a link to check, especially given the trademark symbol which pretty clearly was a copy and paste job. Yes, I saw that the article could be expanded with sources but I simply had no time to do that and had already spent quite a bit of time satisfying myself it was copyvio. Dougweller (talk) 20:52, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

"Sam" Slyfield

Charles O. Slyfield was my grandfather. He always went by C. O. Slyfield. "Samp" was a nickname. I don't know where the "Sam" came from, but googled Disney info and saw it there, too. I'm just trying to take the "Sam" out of this to make it right. I fixed it once, but someone undid it. Thanks for any help/guidance you can provide. Elizabethawright (talk) 20:01, 21 August 2012 (UTC) Beth

  • Do you know of any sources (articles, books, online sources, publications) that use "C.O." or "Samp" when referring to him? If you could provide those, that would be helpful to your case. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:04, 21 August 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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Happy Wheels

If you wanted to move that page to Happy Wheels, you should be able to do it yourself. The template you added asked me to delete your userspace page and move the mainspace page over it, the mainspace page doesn't exist, so I'm pretty sure that's now what you wanted. WilyD 07:19, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Oh, silly me. Thanks for that. I guess I thought an admin would be needed because based on the current article page looks like it might be SALTed. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:22, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
    • It's protected against edits and moves by new users, so you should be able to move it (I assume since you use talkbacks and have four archives of your talk page, you're autoconfirmed). If you can't, ask me again, and I'll either move it or fix the protection. Or both. WilyD 07:25, 22 August 2012 (UTC)
      • All set, the move was successful. Thanks. I am a little worried about future vandalism though, based on the previous reputation of the article! I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 07:27, 22 August 2012 (UTC)

talkback

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Teahouse Feedback

I want to personally thank you for responding to my recent submission "asking for assistance" at the Teahouse.

I must admit I am frustrated with the responses I have been receiving regarding my one page Wikipedia submission about a week ago.

I have been labeled as fraudulent, with fraudulent submissions, and even so far as proclaimed to be affiliated with programs that either did not exist or are fraudulent.

Everything I have submitted was referenced with legitimate citations, and even the citations were challenged.

Given the article is regarding myself, I was trying very hard to be as objective as possible ... and yet I was attacked as someone who was merely trying to compose a self-laudatory Wikipedia insertion. All I was trying to do was to state the facts ... nothing more.

I would appreciate your help, even if it means compensation for your assistance ....given you know your way around this a whole lot better than me .... as the lingo is quite foreign ... and it feels like it would be far easier for someone with experience to actually finalize this project.

Thanks so much for your time and assistance.

Dr. Edward F. Anhalt username: dreduardoa or Edwrad Francis Anhalt dreduardoa@yahoo.com 99.63.169.2 (talk) 01:37, 23 August 2012 (UTC)

User:Catcrazy5

I must say that I found this comment rather curious, as the user doesn't appear to be blocked. --CalendarWatcher (talk) 04:50, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Not anymore it seems. But I don't know how long the autoblock lasted. Elockid seems to have confirmed it. Seems strange that the user's IP seems public. But yes, I (wrongly) assumed his block was still in effect because it was so recent. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 04:57, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

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Thanks for teh welcome!

Whack!
You've been whacked with a wet trout.

Don't take this too seriously. Someone just wants to let you know you did something silly.

WikiTyson (talk) 20:16, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

  • Seems like you know some about Wikipedia, but you've got to put a little more effort into your articles, or they'll suffer the same fate! I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:27, 25 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Sorry about that article, I sorta got a little bit too excited for getting back into editing wikipedia! Thanks though, you set me back on the right track. WikiTyson (talk) 20:36, 25 August 2012 (UTC)

Have a Barnstar....

The Feedback Responder Barnstar
Without people like you the feature would be useless. Lectonar (talk) 07:22, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Don't tell me; I've been doing that for almost a year now, and got more recognition for that than for 6 years of quiet administering. Cheers and happy editing. Lectonar (talk) 07:29, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Jim Bonacci

Thanks, but I think I can create a page like that myself. You can help though. Heymister14 (talk) 19:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)heymister14

Speedy deletion nomination of Jim Bonacci

A tag has been placed on Jim Bonacci, requesting that it be speedily deleted from Wikipedia. This has been done under section G4 of the criteria for speedy deletion, because the article appears to be a repost of material that was previously deleted following a deletion debate, such as at articles for deletion. Under the specified criteria, where an article has substantially identical content to that of an article deleted after debate, and any changes in the content do not address the reasons for which the material was previously deleted, it may be deleted at any time.

If you think that the page was nominated in error, contest the nomination by clicking on the button labelled "Click here to contest this speedy deletion" in the speedy deletion tag. Doing so will take you to the talk page where you can explain why you believe the page should not be deleted. You can also visit the page's talk page directly to give your reasons, but be aware that once a page is tagged for speedy deletion, it may be removed without delay. Please do not remove the speedy deletion tag yourself, but do not hesitate to add information that is consistent with Wikipedia's policies and guidelines. If the page is deleted, you can contact one of these administrators to request that the administrator userfy the page or email a copy to you. Tgeairn (talk) 19:50, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

I'm dropping the note here as you created a redirect as a result of the previous AfD for this article. I considered just moving back to the redirect, but instead went with CSD to build a consensus for salting the article. --Tgeairn (talk) 19:55, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
That's fine, but I think the article might stand a chance after I do a search for sources. You can bring this to AfD if you'd like. If it ends up being deleted because reliable sources can't support his notability, I think WP:SALT is in order. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:03, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Thanks for the quick response... If you're able to come up with sources, great. I didn't find anything immediately apparent other than what's already present at Happy Wheels, which didn't seem to support a BLP. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 20:07, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
A side-note, {{New page}} shouldn't be placed on BLPs. Cheers! --Tgeairn (talk) 20:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
Oh? Why is that? I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:19, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
I haven't ever dug into it, other than to assume that the leeway granted with {{New page}} is not consistent with the more stringent BLP sourcing ("contentious material about living persons that is unsourced or poorly sourced should be removed immediately and without discussion") language. The last line of the template says not to use on BLPs as well, which was where I first noticed it. --Tgeairn (talk) 20:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

You accidentally deleted my post, could you return it?

This happens sometimes in edit conflicts, but could you be so kind as to put it back? Thanks! [1] --Jayron32 20:12, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

  • You got it. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:15, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
    • Merci beaucoup. --Jayron32 20:18, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
      • By the way, is there any way to catch that this will happen before one posts under an edit conflict? I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 20:25, 28 August 2012 (UTC)
        • Yeah, if you use the back button on your browser after you get the edit conflict warning, it will take you to the edit screen for the most recent revision. --Jayron32 20:27, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

Jim Bonacci

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Jim Bonacci said WP:salt or redirect to Happy Wheels. Dlohcierekim 21:43, 28 August 2012 (UTC) OOPs. Result was just plain delete. Needs WP:DRV to restore. Dlohcierekim 21:57, 28 August 2012 (UTC)

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What up?

Happy end of August to you.

Settdigger (talk) 09:57, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

  • I'm doing well. Look, let me be honest-- things are not looking great for you right now with the Barack Obama article. You are engaging in edit warring by repeatedly re-adding the content when there's only about 4-5 editors involved in the content-related parts of the talk page discussion. You're not doing yourself any favors by continuing this, and you might be blocked. I think you have some valid arguments for inclusion, but you need to see what others think, too. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 10:03, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
  • Thanks for the tip, homie  :) How do you feel about the factual inclusion?  :) Settdigger (talk) 14:56, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
    • I think facts should be included and discussed proportionate to how much weight they are given in third-party sources. I also think not every fact needs to be included in an article. Finally, when people disagree on what facts should / shouldn't be included, there needs to a consensus (particularly on featured articles) for including information. I also wanted to apologize for not letting you know that I reported you to the edit warring noticeboard because I didn't see that it was required of me at the top of the page. That was entirely my fault and I was careless.
Honestly, I don't think you're a bad editor and I think you can contribute a lot to the project. I know a lot of us have been fairly strict and overwhelming you with policies, but that's how it is when you choose to edit high-profile articles like Barack Obama. However, the tone of your arguments have sounded like you are trying to make this situation an "us" versus "them" over this issue, and this really isn't constructive or helpful to anyone involved. I've tried to help you and apologize when I have made mistakes. You should consider toning it down. I'm trying to help you out, and I urge you to listen. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 17:32, 30 August 2012 (UTC)
It also might be helpful to read this over. I've been involved in a number of conflicts among editors, and it's important to keep a cool head in these situations. I've had to review this too when I get involved in what feels like a "battle" in the heat of the moment. I think it can be good to be passionate about the subject you are writing on here and can lead to really good writing/editing. But there are times when it can actually lead to poor judgments, and can antagonize and strain your relationships with other editors too. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 17:41, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks re Rudy Buttignol

Hello, Thanks for your comments. I am not connected to RB.

RB will see that he can request that the specific birth date info be removed through the appropriate Wikipedia places.

Cheers!

Sofiabrampton (talk) 18:54, 30 August 2012 (UTC)

Thanks For The Invitation

Thanks for the invitation, I'll be more than happy to get in touch with you on the journey of making this world better. — Preceding unsigned comment added by 182.68.66.193 (talk) 16:02, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Greetings From Devoutly

Hi there, How's it going on?

And thank you so much for the message. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Devoutly (talk • contribs) 16:08, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

  • It's going pretty well. I had to take a loooong break from Wikipedia because of school, but it's nice to be back in. As for the invite, you're welcome! You've made great edits so far, and I just wanted to express my appreciation and let you know that there's a place here to help you familiarize yourself with the project. Stop by anytime. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 17:59, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

Leads, leads, leads

Hi Jethrobot, Curious to hear your thoughts on what does and what does not belong in Obama's lead. Cheers-- Settdigger (talk) 21:48, 31 August 2012 (UTC)

What is this I don't even

Listen kid...you don`t have to leave for something like this okay? ;) Your an regular person as user here..we are the directors of a show so we made the WIKI without USER but than it showed up cause you don`t know what the problem is...back off...no time for this. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelodeon Life (talk • contribs) 12:36, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

And other...the name is Nickelodeon,which exists already! Your name is I Jethrobot which is just for a user...you don`t understand what we are trying to say but maybe the USER is not problem for you but it is for us ;). — Preceding unsigned comment added by Nickelodeon Life (talk • contribs) 12:45, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Yeah, so I put that header up there for a reason. I'm just telling you like it is. There's nothing you can do about it-- it doesn't really matter who you are or what your occupation is-- you get the same User thing as everybody else. Anyway, as the directors of your show, I noticed you're making a page about your show. I should advise you that Wikipedia is not a promotional tool, so don't try to make it one, or you'll be wasting a lot of everyone's time, mostly your own. Also, your winking faces have the unfortunate effect of making everything you write kind of annoying. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 12:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Your response to feedback

The essay you linked to here might be a tad inappropriate for the situation, as WP:TOOSOON talks about an article's suitability for inclusion. Perhaps you were thinking of WP:NOTNOW? Just a friendly note, that's all. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:06, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Oops, my bad! Thanks for the tip-off, I'll fix that. I guess I feel like the essence of "too soon" applies to a lot of things...like applying for adminship. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 13:09, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
That's unfortunately true in a lot of cases. Great that you fixed it, and see you sometime! A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 13:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Keelan RfB & RfA

Keelan (1 edit to mainspace) was encouraged to do this by User:Riley Huntley. Someone is playing games here and I don't think it's funny. Needs looking into. Kudpung กุดผึ้ง (talk) 13:49, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

(edit conflict) x2 Thank you for spreading your thoughts, Kudpung. I explained my reasoning on my talk page and I warned the user several times. I Jethrobot, please also see my response to your question :) -- Cheers, Riley Huntley talk 15:18, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Sorry, came to post the same thing, minus Riley God, that's serious. I totally believe you, but what makes you think this? A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 15:15, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
As a note, I've given the Keelan account a first, only, and last warning to shape up or ship out. If this continues much longer, a block is the next step. --Jayron32 15:16, 1 September 2012 (UTC)
Hi, could you please remove the hoax RfA this guy made in my name? I feel really uncomfortable being dragged into this. Silvrous (talk) 15:37, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

Joan Buck

Why are you vandalizing this page? — Preceding unsigned comment added by 92.90.21.11 (talk) 16:02, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

(talk page stalker) I could ask the same question of you. A boat that can float! (watch me float!) 16:41, 1 September 2012 (UTC)

The Signpost: 03 September 2012

From Atalanta the Huntress

Thank you for including my edit of the article "The Mythic Tarot". I took care to include all the info and most of the language from the existing article; which is therein under my sub-heading "The Mythic Tarot and Jung".

As presently posted, the previous iteration remains entire, with my edit of the same article following it on the same page. This is redundant and unwieldly.

I did my major re-write in response to Wikipedia's red flags requesting editting, which called the original article too promotional; as it certainly was/is; also repetitive, preachy, not well written. Alas, when I tried to post my edit, it seemed to be blocked; (by the original authors?) All this I've endeavored to communicate to editors, via talk "why this page should not be deleted."


Authority & notability

As a professional Tarot reader of 40 years experience, I've long admired The Mythic Tarot's unique contribution to the modern interpretation of the Tarot. I have no personal acquaintance or connexion with its creators that I'm aware of.

Although many books on the subject are written, they tend to be authored by those who have designed a deck themselves. I'm not aware of any scholarly book about the Tarot which provides a comprehensive survey and critique of the many decks which have been designed since I began using the Tarot.

I suspect that the only real authority on the comparative value of such various Tarot designs must be the professional Tarot readers, who use them the most, with the deepest understanding of the subject.

By and large, professional Tarot readers do not author a lot of scholarly books. Yet the subject is one of great general notability; both for the professionals and for the millions of amateurs whose lively interest in the Tarot has spawned this entire industry of Tarot reading, Tarot decks, and books on the subject.

Excuse if anything herein duplicates any previous message from me, or any other errors in posting. I'm just learning my way around this process. --Atalanta the Huntress (talk) 10:58, 5 September 2012 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Atalanta the Huntress (talk • contribs) 10:50, 5 September 2012 (UTC)

  • Hi Atalanta. I completely understand that you're just learning your way through the process, and that when your page is faced with deletion, it's confusing about what to do about it. Thanks for sending me a message.
The reason I nominated the article is not really because of the writing quality, or even that it was mildly promotional (trust me, I see a lot worse). The reason is because I'm not sure this particular form/style/type of Tarot doesn't meet Wikipedia's general notability guidelines. That is, the subject lacks WP:SIGCOV coverage written by independent, reliable sources. My deletion discussion nomination notes this-- most books written about The Mythic Tarot are written by the creators. These can't be used to support notability because they're not independent. Others books not by the creators give only brief mentions of The Mythic Tarot without any substantive discussion about it specifically. We also can't use your claim that it's significant because professional Tarot readers use it, because that would be an example of original research and Wikipedia articles need to be based on verifiable sources. I encourage you to find evidence of coverage that I've described above for The Mythic Tarot and post it either to the article or in the deletion discussion. I, Jethrobot drop me a line (note: not a bot!) 00:05, 6 September 2012 (UTC)


Hi Jethro Thanks for your detailed reply. I'll make a point to do the homework re: Wikipedia "notability" policy, and try to find appropo background material.

Although it's NOT "my page"; that is, until I re-wrote it on Saturday. Once again, strictly due to stumbling across it (while searching for a copy of the deck to buy); and responding to Wiki's request for editting.

One factor I can report: in 2001, the price of the now out-of-print Mythic Tarot deck was $16 on amazon.com, for a used set including the deck and book together. (I was shopping for it then, but it didn't fit my budget at the time.) The book is now still widely available at discount, but the deck itself now can only be had for $100+.

Who would go to that much trouble to find and purchase a particular Tarot design, that's been out of print for ten years? The answer is simple. Only a professional Tarot reader. The masses of amateur curosity shoppers, who support the continual publication of new "fad" Tarot decks, would never think of it.

What could possibly render a particular deck, seen only a couple of times, decades ago, so important? There are plenty of forgettable, un-noteworthy Tarot designs that have been churned out in the past couple of decades. This is not'Bold text' one of them.

That it is a particular choice of professional psychic counsellors, I believe can be documented. To see a good example, and also to view the designs themselves and the way they're interpreted, please visit http://www.angelsandguardians.com/ and click the link at the top of the page "Free Tarot". (This is NOT my site. It's another one I stumbled upon Saturday while searching for the deck itself.) This site is an excellent example of the empowering, self-examination encouraged by responsible practitioners who favor this particular deck.

While I intend to familiarize myself with your policy on this, I think it's also important to consider how things work in the field which you are attempting to document. I must ask who could possibly be considered an expert authority on Tarot, other than professional Tarot readers? Would you not accept the opinion of professional motor mechanics as authoritative, in a question of automobile repair? Are Tarot readers not looked on with comparable respect? And would such an attitude concern a lack of respect for the art of divination?

The art of divination is the subject here. It is the ancestor of every "major" religion today. Yet a "disreputable" label has been fostered by clerical establishments, who have in the past not been above genocide against any source of spiritual guidance which they do not control. Notwithstanding that divination is well-documented in the Bible, was practiced & respected by the ancient patriarchs thereof. The Bible itself is commonly used as a tool of divination, i.e. opening to a random passage: a practice called "bibliomancy", which is traditionally encouraged by Christian clerics.

If commercial fortune-telling services sometimes seem to earn a shabby reputation, that must place an even greater responsibility on those who provide the public with reliable, unbiased information: to enable those seeking responsible, empowering divination to tell the difference. Just as the scientific community must protect the public from quacks and snake-oil medicine shows.

Because there is a difference. Divination is as old as medicine. It has never gone away, through centuries of burning times and religious persecution. It exists in every nation and culture. There are right and wrong ways to approach it. This is a discussion which merits Wikipedia's participation, where appropriate. --Atalanta the Huntress (talk) 10:25, 6 September 2012 (UTC)— Preceding unsigned comment added by Atalanta the Huntress (talk • contribs) 10:09, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Hi Jethro, me again: Another excellent example of empowering, thinking-person's divination which has been greatly developed (as well as more & more widely published) in the last decade or so is the article at http://freewillastrology.com/beauty/beauty.main217.shtml (Rob Brezny's plea for sanity regarding recent predictions for some kind of massive global shift to come in Dec 2012.) I've been a fan of his astrology column for years, and met him once at an event. His astrology column has gone from underground papers to major periodicals coast to coast. There is a Wikipedia entry about him.

Apologies if this is a lot of verbiage from me. But, as you may have perceived, it's a subject I'm passionate about. --Atalanta the Huntress (talk) 10:45, 6 September 2012 (UTC)

Talkback

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The Signpost: 10 September 2012

Tarot stuff

Hi, Jethro FYI, here are some links which provide references/examples that

a) Tarot is widely used by professional psychotherapists & other certified counsellors (i.e. with academic degrees in psychology; not just psychic readers); and

b) That the Mythic Tarot is particularly favored by such counsellors.

These are the links: http://www.tarotschool.com/ElementalArray.html

http://www.tarottherapy.co.uk/cittprosp.htm

http://transpersonalpodcast.org/2010/09/06/hillary-anderson--using-the-tarot-in-therapy.aspx

http://columbia.academia.edu/InnaSemetsky/Papers/426808/Integrating_Tarot_Readings_Into_Counselling_and_Psychotherapy

http://gestaltarttherapy.com/1/2011_tarot_as_a_projection_technique_in_therapy_26th_november_2011_587862.html

http://donnafisherjackson.com/services/tarot.html

Here's also a link to Tarotpedia's entry on the Mythic Tarot, of general interest re: this deck's considered notability among independent authorities on the Tarot:

http://www.tarotpedia.com/wiki/Mythic_Tarot

Hope this is helpful. I'm not sure of your usual procedure for references, but I'll paste these to my edit of the page also.

Thanks for your interest in this issue. Let me know your thoughts. --Atalanta the Huntress (talk) 08:55, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK nomination of Retrieval-induced forgetting

Hello! Your submission of Retrieval-induced forgetting at the Did You Know nominations page has been reviewed, and there still are some issues that may need to be clarified. Please review the comment(s) underneath your nomination's entry and respond there as soon as possible. Thank you for contributing to Did You Know! BlueMoonset (talk) 06:07, 12 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Happy Wheels

PanydThe muffin is not subtle 16:03, 15 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Square Roots

The DYK project (nominate) 00:04, 17 September 2012 (UTC)

DYK for Retrieval-induced forgetting

Casliber (talk · contribs) 00:04, 18 September 2012 (UTC)

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