User talk:JUGAL70

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Thanks for suggestions.You mentioned that one of my contribution does not confirm Neutral Point of View policy (NPOV)]].

It would be better if you specify which edit/sentence/syntax/section makes you feel that my contribution does not confirm NPOV.

It will help me to improve.--JUGAL70 (talk) 15:38, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

February 2010

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I did not specify the reason, was a mistake. But removal of 3 or 4 sentences was intentional. Reason is the reference which has been cited, does not reflect in the sentences given.

Before my edit this article was totally negative. If you read old edits by Wikipedians you will find that Mayawati was married, she had affair to some Yadav etc.etc, without any reference & these lines remained for years nobody removed it. I removed it, you may call it page blanking /vandalism etc .

I entered some positive points supported by references, without these points this article is incomplete.Negative points are already there.

  Neutrality does not mean only negative points it should have some positive points also.

--JUGAL70 (talk) 15:55, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

law of manu

Hi !

Law of manu is not from the 19th century but from the antiquity !

And there is not word as "Dalit" in Law of Manu : thank you to respect the encyclopedic style (no limited in the time) and not introduce socio-political and economic point-of-view from only two centurys ago !

Bye ! —Preceding unsigned comment added by 90.36.87.131 (talk) 20:53, 21 February 2010 (UTC)

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Where is it mentioned that Manu was from 19th century?

Yes there is no word like Dalit in Manusmriti, but when writing it always preferred to write in a way that gives exact picture to reader what we are talking about.

If you read again my edit, it is clearly mentioned word 'Shudra' and 'Dalit' indicates the same social class, word Dalit was first used by Jyotirao Phule for 'Shudras' in the nineteenth century. The word "Dalit" comes from the Sanskrit language, and means "ground", "suppressed", "crushed", or "broken to pieces" ,used in the context of the oppression faced by the erstwhile "untouchable" castes of the twice-born Hindus. Gandhi's coinage of the word Harijan, translated roughly as "Children of God", to identify the former Untouchables. The terms "Scheduled castes and scheduled tribes" (SC/ST) are the official terms used in Indian government documents to identify former "untouchables" and tribes.

One of your edit (21:17, 21 February 2010) summary says" neutrality : equality is not justice, and discrimination "en soi" is not injustice : justice is not the same law for a tiger and a lamb !)" It may be your belief, but wiki requires references not your own concept.

Reversion of edit is not bad but reversion of edit by giving your own concept/belief like given for Tiger lamb etc shall not be the basis.

by the way .. thanks ,constructive comments welcome--JUGAL70 (talk) 15:17, 23 February 2010 (UTC)

Manusmṛti

Thanks for your contributions to this page. Unfortunately your edits fall afoul of some fundamental wikipedia policies, namely neutral POV, no original research, reliable sourcing, and also make inappropriate use of primary sources. In some cases the added text is simply hard to parse and decipher. For these reasons your (and some other) edits have been reverted. Please take a look at the linked policies, and after that feel free to discuss any of these issues on the article talk page. Cheers. Abecedare (talk) 17:35, 24 February 2010 (UTC)

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Thanks for comments, here is pointwise reply to your comments

Afoul of neutral POV,- Disagree

[As per NPOV policy content must be written from a neutral point of view, representing fairly, proportionately, and as far as possible without bias, all significant views that have been published by reliable sources.]

Manusmriti’s most controversial part is discrimination against Women and Shudra, is a significant view (references given on main article).It is been burnt and condemned by different historians and social reformers all over Indai, It is considered source of gender and caste oppression in India which still exist. References published by reliable sources(including preview of online books by famous authors/historians) Section created under controversies and criticism , which indicates good faith in putting this most important controversial part.

NOT including this section or significant view as a part of controversy & repeated deletion of this section/view indicates bias towards showing good an Ad like page, which violates NPOV.

No original research policy not followed: Disagree

It is not an original research. Criticism mentioned can be find out in almost all books written on Manusmariti/Ancient Indian Society, womens, (some references given on main article).

No reliable sourcing:Disagree

References of online Books by famous authors/historians given,books can be read online.

Inappropriate use of primary sources:Disagrree

Only 1 primary source(website) has been mentioned, Other references are published books from famous authors/historians references available on main page.

In the same article if you go back and check some edits about (14:58, 21 December 2005) under section Criticism of Manu Smriti, you will find the same points , now deleted by you, already there. Some people (they are not wikipedians) want to write an Advertisement page on Manusmriti (like a series on Hinduism already mentioned), hiding most controversial parts/views.

Wiki reader shall be given an opportunity to know all about Manusmriti including controversial views Such type of excuses for deletion of content produce biased Ad page not a wiki page. --Jugal (talk) 15:36, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

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Abecedare (talk) 17:15, 25 February 2010 (UTC)

You currently appear to be engaged in an edit war according to the reverts you have made on Manusmriti. Note that the three-revert rule prohibits making more than three reversions on a single page within a 24-hour period. Additionally, users who perform several reversions in content disputes may be blocked for edit warring even if they do not technically violate the three-revert rule. When in dispute with another editor you should first try to discuss controversial changes to work towards wording and content that gains a consensus among editors. Should that prove unsuccessful, you are encouraged to seek dispute resolution, and in some cases it may be appropriate to request page protection. Please stop the disruption, otherwise you may be blocked from editing. Can you verify if Chandra15 (talk · contribs) is your sock account ? If so, note that such use of sock accounts to edit-war on wikipedia is prohibited on wikipedia. Abecedare (talk) 14:21, 26 February 2010 (UTC)

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