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certificates for Java code[edit]

If I understand things right, Oracle's recent changes in Java requires programs to purchase a code security certificate. See here for more details. Certificates run around $200 a year, which can be prohibitively expensive for some volunteer developers. This sounds like a good idea to use some of WMF's "vast money reserves". Some programs are WP:WPCleaner and WP:STiki. Where/Who do I go to? Bgwhite (talk) 20:08, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Hmn; that's an interesting question! @Qgil: this the sort of thing your team is involved in? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 20:35, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
From what I can make out[1] the change means the end user need to accept a dialog when an unsigned applet is run. While annoying it does not mean developers have to buy a certificate.--User:Salix alba (talk): 23:23, 18 October 2013 (UTC)
Salix alba That is partially incorrect. For right now, the user can accept the dialog. However, the warnings and docs clearly say "in the future" you won't be able to run the program at all without a proper certificate. For example, see the warning message received for WPCleaner. Bgwhite (talk) 08:26, 19 October 2013 (UTC)
talkpage stalker swoops in to comment... Rather than using the 'official' Oracle JRE, why not use OpenJDK + IcedTea plugin, which is the implementation used on Linux distros et cetera? Just because WMF is infinitely rich, and of course omniscient via wikipedia, does not mean Oracle should be rewarded for their policy-change to begin charging annual fees to use GPL software. What, are the wikimedia server-farms running Oracle Enterprise Linux, when CentOS is available gratis? That would make little sense. (And of course, if paying the money is to be avoided long-term, maybe the tools should be ported to some programming language besides Java.) Hope this helps. Ping me on my talkpage if you have questions about this suggestion, or whatever. Thanks for improving wikipedia. 74.192.84.101 (talk) 05:19, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Thanks for asking about funding for certificates for existing tools. I think I finally managed to use a certificate provided by Certum for free to open source developers who request them. The certificate is only valid one year, which is not very nice (you can get 3 to 5 years validity for commercial certificates, but I don't want to spend that kind of money for a tool I develop for free): I hope I can renew it next year.
I'm looking for some people to test this new version, currently available only as a test version here: http://site4145.mutu.sivit.org/WikiCleaner/WikiCleanerTest.jnlp. I'm interested to know what the result is for various users (ability to trust once and for all the application, java version, os, ...).
Self-signed certificates are still considered valid with the constraint that the user must accept it every time (not very user friendly). But warning message says that this won't even work in future versions of Java.
Using an other JRE is indeed an option, but it requires more tweaking for each user to install WPCleaner, so it's not either the best solution for the average user. I don't want people to have to install several things just to try WPCleaner.
--NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 11:07, 26 October 2013 (UTC)
Hi, paying for a Java runtime license is indeed a weird case in the Wikimedia context. Recommending free alternatives (at least as in beer) is what we are doing with all the functionality exposed to end users. As free software developers, are you happy about this change of licensing? I suppose Oracle will announce a date of end of validity of the current setup, if they ever want to set one. If you are still using their Java runtime then we can discuss. In the meantime it sounds more sensible to recommend that you go for a free (as in freedom) Java runtime or a different framework. I understand that a rewrite is not an ideal situation. Have you considered proposing such project at mw:Mentorship programs/Possible projects? Currently we are looking for projects and mentors for mw:FOSS Outreach Program for Women.--Qgil (talk) 20:22, 28 October 2013 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Hi, this is not a change in Java licensing (runtime is still free), just a change in how Oracle implementation is dealing with self-signed applications distributed through Java Web Start, or with applets. Current Oracle implementation forces users to say they trust the application each time they are running it if the application is not signed with an certificate coming from a known certificate authority.

I only deliver a software written in Java, so the choice of the Java runtime is up to each user: they can use an other distribution than the one provided by Oracle if they want, but it may require more steps on their end to install it correctly.

Currently, it seems to work with the certificate provided by Certum, so I will go with this option. If new releases of Java give me trouble, I will come back ;-)

Just a question: would it be possible for WMF to provide trusted certificates for developers who contribute to MediaWiki ecosystem ? I don't know if it's possible and how it works to be able to produce trusted certificates for a company. --NicoV (Talk on frwiki) 10:19, 29 October 2013 (UTC)

Flow interviews[edit]

Hi, I see you pinged me about the Flow survey, and I figure it was in regard to being an interviewer. Sorry, but I'm going to decline (largely because I take extremely large pains to protect my privacy), and that's why I'm responding to you here. I don't have any particular opinions to offer about survey design. But I wish you good results, as always. --Tryptofish (talk) 22:26, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

That's fair; thanks for taking the time to drop me a note :). Had any luck testing Flow so far? Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:33, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Sorry, haven't tried. (I've got some personal stuff going on that limits how much time I can devote here.) --Tryptofish (talk) 22:36, 4 December 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough; hope it clears up in a positive way, whatever it is. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 22:56, 4 December 2013 (UTC)

Flow[edit]

I haven't played with it and probably won't have time to, but I'm generally agreed that the things you, Salvidrim!, Sven and Quiddity are asking for are things people are going to want. - Dank (push to talk) 11:09, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

Cool; thanks for validating them :). We're going to put in a few more weeks of work before having the should we/shouldn't we deploy-to-your-wikiproject conversation, so hopefully we can fit them in. Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 16:50, 10 December 2013 (UTC)
Great, thanks so much for working on that. - Dank (push to talk) 17:31, 10 December 2013 (UTC)

An idea that cropped up on my talk page[edit]

Hi Ollie,

Would you please take a look at User talk:Cullen328#Unproductive severity of the policy enforcement and an idea to relax it and see whether the new user has a useful idea? As I see it, there would be some kind of automated bot review of a proposed username during the registration process, with a warning if a potential problem was detected. Your thoughts, pro or con, would be appreciated. Cullen328 Let's discuss it 06:13, 7 January 2014 (UTC)

Mobile disclaimer[edit]

Hi Oliver. Would you like me to chime in on this discussion? --Anthonyhcole (talk · contribs · email) 09:43, 22 January 2014 (UTC)

Could be totally helpful :). Okeyes (WMF) (talk) 17:12, 22 January 2014 (UTC)