User talk:Paul August/Archive25

Aged?

Hi there. Regarding this revert to the Virgil article, "aged" is a fairly common usage in this context and it is in fact used by our standard template {{death date and age}}. Regards, Favonian (talk) 22:17, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

Really? Paul August ☎ 22:21, 2 January 2015 (UTC)

0 Zero

Dear Paul, you just deleted a paragraph on Zero in the section of computer science. But, you did not provide a reason for your reversal (or delete). Please tell us the reason why you remove it.

Sincerely, Yohannesb (talk) 14:57, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Unfortunately I find many problems with your addition. MOre than I have the time or inclination to go into now. Paul August ☎ 15:38, 19 February 2015 (UTC)

Dear Paul, please consider adding this information on computer section of zero.

Computers communicate with each other with lights (Fiber Optics) or Electrical Signals. The advantage of using light is you can beam it through satellites, just as you would beam light through mirrors. When you see lights turning on and off very quickly in a network, it means there is a network communication of different computers. This OFF and ON is represented by 0s and 1s, respectively. Calculating with 0s and 1s is called Boolean algebra. In a computer, ON means 1 and OFF means 0. One English alphabet is represented by a bunch of binary numbers. For example, A=01000001, B=01000010, C=01000011 etc. etc. So, when you push the alphabet “A” on the computer, there is a cut off time, and this is “01000001”. One computer sends this binary number (“01000001”) and the receiving computer interprets it to “A”. Each color has its own binary numbers. That is what it means when we say that a camera is a digital camera --it simply means, it understands binary numbers. However, since we cannot write with binary numbers, we must use computer languages to write the binary numbers in the computers for us. The computer languages in turn work between the users and the computers. In other words, as you are reading this, behind this page, there is a computer language page; behind that computer language page, there is a binary number language page; behind that binary number language, there is 0s and 1s page; and behind 0s and 1s, there is light on and off page. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Yohannesb (talk • contribs) 14:01, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

Sorry but even if one were to fix the many problems with the above text, I don't think this it has much to do with the number 0, and thus doesn't belong in that article. Paul August ☎ 19:08, 24 February 2015 (UTC)

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Hesiod

Paul, I left your edit to the Pluto page in, but just for the record, the other poems attributed to Hesiod are generally not accepted as authentic, as his page in fact attests. Eponymous-Archon (talk) 23:38, 20 February 2015 (UTC)

Yes but still ... Paul August ☎ 00:14, 21 February 2015 (UTC)

the myth of npov

Hi Paul, I just wanted to let you know of a discussion at the WP:Wikiproject religion re the presentation of supposedly divine beings. The main concern is that present day faiths are treated as religions while past time faiths are labelled as myths. GregKaye 18:27, 15 March 2015 (UTC)

There is a difference between Greek mythology and Greek religion, fugures such as Gaia and Thalia have more to do with Greek mythology than Greek religion. Paul August ☎ 12:13, 16 March 2015 (UTC)

Edit summary

Removing red links is at best controversial. Depends on whether there might be an article there. Leaving them might encourage others to create the articles. I also apologize for the edit summary. Overbearing and wrong-headed. I was not thinking clearly. Sorry. Happy editing. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 12:00, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Apology accepted. But I don't believe I removed any red links, which ones are you talking about? The links you restored here, are not red. Paul August ☎ 13:54, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Then I screwed up even more than I thought. I won't interfere. Sorry! Sorry! Sorry! I apparently was having a bad day. 7&6=thirteen (☎) 14:02, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

Ok, don't worry about it ;-) Paul August ☎ 14:21, 19 March 2015 (UTC)

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Socrates

Hi Paul August, I'm an editor who contributed an amount to Socrates, and the subject of my edits is under discussion on that articles talk page. Would you please join the discussion as i would really value your involvement since you state - Advanced degrees! and Areas of interest: Mathematics, Classical history, Philosophy, and being listed in the top ten edits Whalestate (talk) 21:02, 9 April 2015 (UTC)

I've replied on that talk page. Paul August ☎ 17:34, 10 April 2015 (UTC)

Emmy Noether

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real analysis

Hello Paul, Regarding: (Undid revision 661595908 by Jcardazzi (talk) I'm dubious this is a common name for this field of mathematics: Source?)

Below are some sources, the first is listed as an external link in the mathematical and real analysis WP articles. In Math, the term basic analysis seems to be the subject name used as an introduction to real analysis, sometimes also used a standalone name, sometimes used in a combined name Basic Real Analysis. The style of the name seems to vary by the university math department

Maybe a better edit is (Basic Analysis is a subject name used for an Introduction to Real Analysis).

I knew the subject as basic analysis and could not find the name in wikipedia, and just wished to make the connection for other readers in the future.

Thank you,Jcardazzi (talk) 17:33, 10 May 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi

Basic Analysis: Introduction to Real Analysis This book is a one semester course in basic analysis.It started its life as my lecture notes for teaching Math 444 at the University of Illinois at Urbana-Champaign (UIUC) in Fall semester 2009. Later I added the metric space chapter to teach Math 521 at University of Wisconsin–Madison http://www.jirka.org/ra/ with University of Pittsburgh supplements Fall 2011 http://www.math.pitt.edu/~frank/pittanal2121.pdf http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Analysis-Introduction-Real/dp/1505695910

Basic Analysis http://www.amazon.com/Basic-Analysis-Kenneth-Kuttler/dp/1589490193

A MAT 312/312Z Basic Analysis Theoretical aspects of calculus including construction of the real numbers, differentiation and integration of functions in one variable, continuity, convergence, sequences and series of functions. http://www.albany.edu/undergraduate_bulletin/a_mat.html

[pdf] Basic Analysis: Introduction To Real Analysis http://www.urlbooklib.com/rudin-real-and-complex-analysis-solution-mit/

Basic Analysis: Introduction to Real Analysis http://www.maa.org/publications/maa-reviews/basic-analysis-introduction-to-real-analysis

Basic Real Analysis https://books.google.com/books?id=bi7Cg-iFYaMC&pg=PR13&lpg=PR13&dq=difference+between+basic+analysis+and+real+analysis&source=bl&ots=xlK8TE7ozN&sig=jrfI_6hP2hQp0qXYrs9ZgvdxN64&hl=en&sa=X&ei=Wo9PVfazDoOSyQTT1YHwAQ&ved=0CCUQ6AEwATge#v=onepage&q=difference%20between%20basic%20analysis%20and%20real%20analysis&f=false

Hi Jcardazzi. "'Basic Analysis" being the name of a course on the subject of real analysis, or the name of a book about the the subject of real analysis, is not the same thing as being another name for the field of mathematics called real analysis. Paul August ☎ 20:13, 10 May 2015 (UTC)

Hi Paul August, yes I understand. Because the term "Basic Analysis" is used as a name for an Introduction to Real Analysis, could text be added to the article to note the term Basic Analysis is used as a shortname for an Introduction course to Real Analysis? Thank you, Jcardazzi (talk) 22:39, 10 May 2015 (UTC)jcardazzi

Mess

Hi. I hoped smb will have the patience to REMOVE THE WRONGLY PLACED MATERIAL, not just my "message in a bottle". The latter is easy. Check the definition (in the lead or anywhere else) and you'll see what I mean. For a change, there is little to discuss here. If you're involved in this art., please do take it on from here, but in a thorough manner please. Thank you! Arminden (talk) 00:23, 21 May 2015 (UTC)Arminden

Hi. Leaving a "message" in an article like that was not really appropriate. Paul August ☎ 10:06, 21 May 2015 (UTC)

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an AfD you may be interested in

You may be interested in Wikipedia:Articles_for_deletion/Concepts_and_names_in_the_Epic_of_Gilgamesh, which concerns an article created by User:Whalestate, whom you may recall from discussions at Socrates. --Akhilleus (talk) 23:47, 9 June 2015 (UTC)

Olympus

Hello Paul August, you've reverted my edit above. Did you see, that I've sorted alphabetically? Regards -- Sweepy (talk) 21:34, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Ok sorry. Paul August ☎ 21:36, 30 July 2015 (UTC)

Hannibal and syphilis

hey admin guy, a newly-minted editor has wandered into potential edit war at Hannibal re syphilis. See Talk:Hannibal. Tks.  Lingzhi ♦ (talk) 13:06, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Yes, I had noticed that. I've replied on that talk page. Paul August ☎ 13:27, 11 September 2015 (UTC)

Second Punic War

Hey! I have always known that one of the main hopes of Hannibal when invading the Italic paeninsula was that the socii would abandon Rome, thus destroying the Roman hegemony in the process. While Etruria, Umbria, Picenum and Latium were largely unscathed and retained their allegiance to the republic (Rome kept legions there in order to convince them, lol), the Southern regions (where Hannibal and his army were actually staying) defected (i.e., they had no other option but defecting) Rome. Thus, primarily, Capua, the Hirpini (but not the other Samnites), Apulians, Lucanians... While I have never heard of Hannibal ever actually deploying any of their troops in battle, that was the point I wanted to make: both Numidians and Italians were forced to be on both sides of the war. --2.41.55.118 (talk) 20:29, 27 September 2015 (UTC)

Access

Dear Paul, I read somewhere few days ago that through wikipedia one can access digitally pay sites for free. I am interested in reading some articles or passages in books on Dionysian initiations and the Kaberoi. Could you please let me know where I can find the relevant info about procedure? Thank you and sorry for the trouble.Aldrasto11 (talk) 06:55, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

@Aldrasto11: See Wikipedia:The Wikipedia Library/Databases. Paul August ☎ 11:30, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Etymology for Cerberus

Hi Paul,

At Wikipedia:Redirects_for_discussion/Log/2015_November_20#Demon_of_the_pit we're having some fun trying to sort out the "etymology" of Demon of the pit for Cerberus/Kerberos, which I guess used to be the etymology here (I've read Talk:Cerberus#Etymology, and if it helps to establish bona fides, I'm the co-creator of {{etymology}})). I noticed you'd done a lot on the etymology of this, but am trying to pin down when it was changed from nonsense to something sensible, as the nonsense etymology went feral. It's no big deal, but if you happen to know, I'd be glad to have my curiosity unpiqued.

Thanks in advance

Si Trew (talk) 18:37, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@SimonTrew: Actually, although I've extensively rewritten most of the article Cerberus over the last two months, I've yet to do much with the "Etymology" section (unfortunately that's also my weakest area). Most of what little I know (so far) is already included in that section. I do have the Ogden source mentioned there, and he does say a bit more with several scholars (in addition to Lincoln) critical of the "spotted" etymology, but nowhere have I found any mention of this "demon of the pit" etymology. So, unless some reliable source for that etymology can be found, I think that redirect should go. Regards, Paul August ☎ 19:20, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Thank you for the prompt reply. I will try to fill you in as best I can, but I didn't want to go on too long (a bad habit of mine.)

If one puts "Demon of the pit", with the quotes, into Google, one gets a lot of results, but most are essentially quoting Wikipedia, as far as I can tell (I've put in a couple over at the RfD that I linked earlier, one to the documentation for Ruby (programming language) and one taught in a computer science course from a university that I have never heard of, the University of Kerching Kerching, or something. I didn't try too hard, but that reference predates the use in WP by three years.

My Ancient Greek is nonexistent beyond translating the alphabet; my Latin a little better. The "spotted" dog reminds me a bit of Anubis in Egyptian mythology, sometimes depicted as a jackal, but a jackal ain't much spotted. There is the phrase "they were first spotted" in the Golden Jackal article, but in hunting that down I followed false scent.

The plot thins... I'll try to help you with the ety, if you want. This one is getting in the way of it, so the sooner deleted, the better: thanks for that. Si Trew (talk) 19:38, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

@SimonTrew: I've now found what I suspect to be the original source for the "demon of the pit" etymology: Robert Graves, The Greek Myths (not the most reliable of sources), which in the index entry for Cerbeus, p. 385 has "? ker berethrou, demon of the pit". Paul August ☎ 20:01, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Nice one. The first sentence at fi:Kerberos (Finnish) is in that -thou form; I think the -os form would be nominative and perhaps (transliterated) this is dative or ablative, but then I am thinking in Latin not Greek. I doubt OE letter thorn (we could have done with keeping that for a theta), but I'll check it out. Good RS you have there; I only have Graves in woodware. Si Trew (talk) 20:17, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

This is no good, I bet it comes from WP ety unattributed: [[1]]. This would be the "Wikipedia is unreliable" argument, not the "You did not quote where you got it from under CC-SA" argument. Si Trew (talk) 20:22, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

This one's interesting: http://www.kelpienet.net/rea/foro/temas.php?num=1&id=2760. (Spanish).

Hola enigma. Esa leyenda me parece que noes atribuible a la mitología griega ,si no más bien a la sumeria o egipcia. Cerbero deriva de "Ker Berethrou" (demonio del abismo),es decir, que se le puede atribuir,confusamente,cualquier mito que tenga que ver con un Ker(o Cer). No obstante,cada autor tiene licencia para describir un mito como le salga de los güevos,de hecho, Hesiodo le puso 50 cabezas al "canis abominablis".

Ahora permíteme un par de preguntas: ¿Quién castigó a Kerbero? ¿Cuál es la editorial?

Roughly:

Hi Enigma..

It seems to me that this legend attributed to Greek Mythology, is more Sumerian or Ancient Egyptian.

"Cerberus" is derived from "Ker Berethrou" (Demon of the Abyss [my, SimonTrew's emphasis: Spanish Abismo]; it could be attributed (confusingly) with any legend that has to do with Kerberos/Cerberus.

Now, allow me a few questions:

• Who punished Kerberos?
• Who is the publisher?

I guess this is someone self-publishing something about this legend, but the telling thing is the reply saying it could be equally Sumerian or Egyptian. I realise this is not RS of course but why would they say that... perhaps the story was just set vaguely in the ancient world of course. But might be worth following up to see why she would think it at all viable to be set in Egypt or Sumeria. Si Trew (talk) 20:33, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

• Who's Who in Classical Mythology has it http://library.atgti.az/e-books/history/who%20is%20who%20in%20mythology.pdf on p100 as ker berethrou "evil of the pit", (see 'Ker, berethron, 'pit' is the Epic and Ionic form of barathron).

(My underline.) Si Trew (talk) 20:51, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

By the way you can use {{ety}} to do {{ety|grc|berethron|pit}} to give

from Ancient Greek berethron 'pit' and things like that. Hardly anyone does, but in wishful days we thought we would actually have some articles meeting WP:MOS, but since that is such a moving target anyway I just gave up on that in preference to WP:COMMONSENSE and barely look at it now. MOre important to create and correct content; RfD is a bit of a backwater, I know, but it is kinda widely if shallowly knowledgeable people – and I hope I am one of them – who can at least do some gnoming on indexes and disambiguation and translation and stuff like that. Si Trew (talk) 20:58, 20 November 2015 (UTC)

Your interest in philosophy

Hi Paul; Your User page seemed to say you had an interest in philosophy. Is it possible that you might be able to do a close on the short RfC at Phaedrus (dialogue) which recently passed the 30-day mark? Fountains-of-Paris (talk) 16:23, 21 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry, I don't really have the time to tackle this now. Paul August ☎ 12:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Hindu–Arabic numeral system

I saw you have retrieved my recent edit of the page Hindu–Arabic numeral system. I would like to know the reason for doing so as I don't see a point of using BC instead of BCE as BCE emphasize secularism or sensitivity to non-Christians. Ashim nep (talk)AA 03:28, 25 December 2015 (UTC)

Hi Ashim. Please see WP:ERA. On WIkipedia either era system, BC/AD or BCE/CE, may be used, and it is generally against Wikipedia policy to change one system to the other. Paul August ☎ 11:45, 26 December 2015 (UTC)

Zeus and Typhon

please see page 209 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ujn2fPCwaUAC&pg=PR7&dq=Lord+Mudgala+seal&hl=en&sa=X&ved=0ahUKEwjom6CDj_vJAhVF_HIKHbB-DFUQ6AEIHTAA#v=onepage&q=Lord%20Mudgala%20seal&f=false

(was located via https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZD5-CgAAQBAJ&pg=PT107&dq=Sumerian+divination&hl=en&sa=X&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=Sumerian%20divination&f=false)

toodle pip Whalestate (talk) 03:50, 27 December 2015 (UTC)

Thanks. Paul August ☎ 12:43, 30 December 2015 (UTC)

Talk:Phaedrus (dialogue)

Hi Paul, Could you please close a counter-productive endless debate at Talk:Phaedrus (dialogue) one way or another? ~~ BlueMist (talk) 00:27, 29 December 2015 (UTC)

Sorry I don't think I will be able to address this. Paul August ☎ 12:44, 30 December 2015 (UTC)