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Administrators' newsletter – March 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (February 2021).

Administrator changes

added TJMSmith
removed Boing! said ZebedeeHiberniantearsLear's FoolOnlyWGFinley

Interface administrator changes

added AmandaNP

Guideline and policy news

  • A request for comment is open that proposes a process for the community to revoke administrative permissions. This follows a 2019 RfC in favor of creating one such a policy.
  • A request for comment is in progress to remove F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a, which covers immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
  • A request for comment seeks to grant page movers the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target. The full proposal is at Wikipedia:Page mover/delete-redirect.
  • A request for comment asks if sysops may place the General sanctions/Coronavirus disease 2019 editnotice template on pages in scope that do not have page-specific sanctions?
  • There is a discussion in progress concerning automatic protection of each day's featured article with Pending Changes protection.

Technical news

  • When blocking an IPv6 address with Twinkle, there is now a checkbox with the option to just block the /64 range. When doing so, you can still leave a block template on the initial, single IP address' talkpage.
  • When protecting a page with Twinkle, you can now add a note if doing so was in response to a request at WP:RfPP, and even link to the specific revision.
  • There have been a number of reported issues with Pending Changes. Most problems setting protection appear to have been resolved (phab:T273317) but other issues with autoaccepting edits persist (phab:T275322).

Arbitration

Miscellaneous


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 19:14, 1 March 2021 (UTC)

17:50, 8 March 2021 (UTC)

Partial

Hi R'n'B, The word partial means 'part of'. New York City cannot be a partial title match for York because the words New and City are not contained within the title, 'York'. Please can you revisit your revert or rewrite the sentence so it makes sense. Best regards, --Ykraps (talk) 07:56, 12 March 2021 (UTC)

Hi. The term "partial title match" is specifically defined at WP:PTM. It includes "[a] link to an article title that merely contains part of the disambiguation page title, or a link that includes the page title in a longer proper name, where there is no significant risk of confusion between them[.]" "New York City" for "York" clearly falls within the second clause of the definition, since it includes the page title York in a longer proper name. Conversely, putting a link to "York" on the New York disambiguation page would fall within the first clause. If you don't agree with the guidance, I suggest you discuss it on WT:Disambiguation. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:02, 12 March 2021 (UTC)
Not likely! I'm off to article space where editors tend to have a better grasp of English. :)--Ykraps (talk) 12:27, 14 March 2021 (UTC)
That wasn't directed at you BTW.--Ykraps (talk) 12:46, 14 March 2021 (UTC)

23:21, 15 March 2021 (UTC)

Wolanowsk

Hi Russ. Just out of curiosity: any idea why Russbot keeps reporting Wolanowsk (disambiguation) as a malplaced disambiguation page (Special:Diff/1002611284, Special:Diff/1004139897, Special:Diff/1006867625)? Cheers LittleWink (talk) 13:15, 23 February 2021 (UTC)

Honestly, no. I haven't had to dig into that particular script for quite some time, so I'll have to block out some time to examine it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 15:46, 23 February 2021 (UTC)
Took a while, but I finally found the cause. It was a misuse of an obscure wildcard in a SQL statement, combined with an incorrectly formatted wiki page name (Wolanowski(disambiguation), in case you're curious). Thanks for the heads-up. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 16:01, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

16:51, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

17:29, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – April 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (March 2021).

Administrator changes

removed AlexandriaHappyme22RexxS

Guideline and policy news

  • Following a request for comment, F7 (invalid fair-use claim) subcriterion a has been deprecated; it covered immediate deletion of non-free media with invalid fair-use tags.
  • Following a request for comment, page movers were granted the delete-redirect userright, which allows moving a page over a single-revision redirect, regardless of that redirect's target.

Technical news

  • When you move a page that many editors have on their watchlist the history can be split and it might also not be possible to move it again for a while. This is because of a job queue problem. (T278350)
  • Code to support some very old web browsers is being removed. This could cause issues in those browsers. (T277803)

Arbitration


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 22:20, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

19:39, 5 April 2021 (UTC)

Noticeboard notice

A discussion regarding your bot account is currently open at Wikipedia:Bots/Noticeboard#Clearing_bot_watchlists. Please see and respond to the discussion there. If you do not respond, developer action may be taken without your cooperation. — xaosflux Talk 14:58, 7 April 2021 (UTC)

Some baklava for you!

G Hotors497F? (talk) 23:45, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

A barnstar for you!

The Barnstar of Diplomacy
Uepp Hotors497F? (talk) 23:47, 12 April 2021 (UTC)

RussBot, dablinks and piping

Hi! I'm really happy to see Russbot making edits like this. I initially thought I could do some of that on JWB, but after a few dozen fixes it started to feel soul-crushingly tedious. I'm glad you've found an efficient method of doing that.
There's one thing I'm wondering about though: the bot turns ambiguous links like [[Varna]], [[Bulgaria]] into [[Varna, Bulgaria]]. That's a neat fix, but it removes one of the two links. That's not necessarily a bad thing – I often change such links in a similar way to [[Varna, Bulgaria|Varna]], Bulgaria if I come across them while copyediting. But shouldn't that depend on the broader context? I would think a (semi-)automatic process would normally be expected to preserve the existing choice of links with something like [[Varna, Bulgaria|Varna]], [[Bulgaria]]. – Uanfala (talk) 01:02, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

Well, WP:SPECIFICLINK would seem to apply here, but I don't feel particularly strongly about it. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 01:30, 18 April 2021 (UTC)
My understanding is that SPECIFICLINK favours [[Varna, Bulgaria|Varna]], Bulgaria. One difference between the Varna case on one hand, and on the other – both the examples in SPECIFICLINK and placenames in the US, is that the bit after the comma is not part of the name. A string like Varna, Bulgaria isn't commonly used unless it's necessary to provide both the name of the city and the country. I believe that most of the time, the decision should be between [[Varna, Bulgaria|Varna]], Bulgaria and [[Varna, Bulgaria|Varna]], [[Bulgaria]]. I've had a look at what is used out there in the wild, and examples along the lines of [[Varna, Bulgaria]] seem to be about 10x less frequent that the other two types combined. See for example the distribution for Plovdiv, another city of Bulgaria:
  • [[Plovdiv]], [[Bulgaria]] – 513 [22]
  • [[Plovdiv]], Bulgaria – 383 [23]
  • [[Plovdiv, Bulgaria]] – 105 [24]
I'm giving all that only because I think you might find it useful, and in the hope that you may take it into account in future runs. Obviously, I don't care strongly either: this is a minor point. Again, I'm grateful that you're fixing all those links. – Uanfala (talk) 03:55, 18 April 2021 (UTC)

16:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)

21:23, 26 April 2021 (UTC)

15:42, 3 May 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – May 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (April 2021).

Administrator changes

removed EnchanterCarlossuarez46

Interface administrator changes

removed Ragesoss

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • The user group oversight will be renamed to suppress. This is for technical reasons. You can comment at T112147 if you have objections.

Arbitration


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 15:51, 7 May 2021 (UTC)

15:09, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Wrong link

Could you stop your bot from doing this type of indirect link (https://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Observer_(meteorological)&diff=1022737147&oldid=1022546005) as Observer is the disambiguation page, not Observer (disambiguation)?

Pierre cb (talk) 12:08, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

  • I could, but I won't. WP:INTDABLINK specifically says to link to the page with "(disambiguation)" in the title, even if it is a redirect. The bot task is approved, and unless there is a consensus to change the guidance at WP:INTDABLINK, it will continue. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 12:50, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
    • So change the disambiguation page to "Observer (disambiguation)", indirect links are also discouraged by Wikipedia. Pierre cb (talk) 13:30, 12 May 2021 (UTC)
      • Please show me where indirect links are discouraged by Wikipedia. And, on reflection, I think my initial reply to you was overly harsh in tone, and I apologize for that. However, the bot's edit summary contains a link to both WP:INTDABLINK and to User:RussBot#About the hatnote task, and you would not have needed to ask me about the bot's edit if you had read either of them. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 21:51, 12 May 2021 (UTC)

13:48, 17 May 2021 (UTC)

Would it make sense to move dab reports to project space?

I am thinking that it would make sense to move your three regularly updated disambiguation reports (Candidates for disambiguation by extending link, Possible hatnote disambiguation links, and Potentially intentional dablinks) to project space under Wikipedia:WikiProject Disambiguation. What do you think? BD2412 T 00:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)

I suppose that would be fine. At least, I can't think of any reason not to do it. I'll need to make minor edits to the scripts, so maybe later todaythis week. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 13:03, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
My thinking is that it will make it more inviting for other editors to work on the reported issues. Of course, I could be wrong. BD2412 T 16:06, 18 May 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed that Potentially intentional dablinks had not run successfully for, oh, two years. 🤦 I think I fixed it; please take a look before I move it so we have a second set of eyes in case of any remaining problems. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 18:47, 20 May 2021 (UTC)

17:05, 24 May 2021 (UTC)

17:04, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

Something I want to know

Hi R'n'B. I have drafted an article about a Sri Lankan News and Media Company. Still, it is a draft. I want to check is it ok to go live on Wikipedia. Please let me know. Draft is Draft:Androidwedakarayo.com. — Preceding unsigned comment added by Senlanka (talkcontribs) 08:55, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

20:01, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Incorrect hatnote edit

Hi,
On the page COS (operating system), Russbot just made this edit:

Old:

{{for|other operating systems with this initialism|COS#Operating systems}}
For other operating systems with this initialism, see COS § Operating systems.

New:

{{For|other operating systems with this initialism|COS#Operating systems (disambiguation){!}Cos}}
For other operating systems with this initialism, see Cos.

[I was surprised at first that the new link even worked, but I finally realized that it's just going to page "COS", section "Operating systems (disambiguation)".]

I would say, if the intent is to hide the "disambiguation" modifier, the proper result here should be:

{{For|other operating systems with this initialism|COS (disambiguation)#Operating systems{{!}}COS § Operating systems}}
For other operating systems with this initialism, see COS § Operating systems.

Thanks, NapoliRoma (talk) 15:48, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for pointing this out. This is indeed an error and I'll see if I can track down the cause. --R'n'B (call me Russ) 17:30, 8 June 2021 (UTC)

Administrators' newsletter – June 2021

News and updates for administrators from the past month (May 2021).

Administrator changes

added AshleyyoursmileLess Unless
removed HusondMattWadeMJCdetroitCariocaVague RantKingboykThunderboltzGwen GaleAniMateSlimVirgin (deceased)

Guideline and policy news

Technical news

  • Wikimedia previously used the IRC network Freenode. However, due to changes over who controlled the network with reports of a forceful takeover by several ex-staff members, the Wikimedia IRC Group Contacts decided to move to the new Libera Chat network. It has been reported that Wikimedia related channels on Freenode have been forcibly taken over if they pointed members to Libera. There is a migration guide and Wikimedia discussions about this.

Arbitration


Sent by MediaWiki message delivery (talk) 14:46, 9 June 2021 (UTC)

Quick Thank You

Hello R'n'B,

Just wanted to say thank you for your help in the disambiguation on PSU (Playstation Universe). I was confused by the bot message regarding it and the link I clicked on did imply that the correct way way to include disambiguation in parenthesis so that is what I ended up doing. I am still pretty new and learning each day, so I appreciate you making the needed corrections and also for your civility; I had some bad experiences with editors being rude when I made a mistake, and I am thankful you were respectful :) Updatewithfacts (talk) 19:03, 12 June 2021 (UTC)