User talk:Seancdaug/archive2

The messages below were posted between 4 October 2005 and 3 April 2006. – Seancdaug 02:48, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

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Merging FFX Books with main page

Respectfully, I disagree with your view the Soundtrack has it's own page, the DVD has it's own page. The books need their own page, at least one page with a list of all books and a small commentary on them, just like the soundtrack page. Or delete them all to make it consistent. The Shinra / ShinRa conection does not belong on the main page IMHO. It is a very controversial theory that appeared in ONE interview in 2003 on the book you just deleted. It belongs on that book page and nowhere else Renmiri 19:34, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

The DVD does not have its own page, actually (it was another one of the items I merged). The soundtracks have their own page because of size management issues (the track listings make the articles too long to effectively merge). If the only rationale for having an individual article on a book is because of a piece of trivia that is not notable enough to include on the main article page, then that speaks very poorly of the notability of the book itself. Also, "commentary" (though I'm not entirely sure how you mean to use the term here) is largely inappropriate for Wikipedia, falling under the realm of literary criticism, which violates neutral point of view. More to the point, standard practice and style requirements (both for the Final Fantasy WikiProject, as evidenced here, and for Wikipedia as a whole, as evidenced here and here) frown upon such highly nuanced articles. And, for the record, I have deleted nothing. However, I will nominate these articles for AfD, if necessary, and I highly doubt, given past experience, that they will survive the process. I'd rather it not come to that, however: I would suggest that, in place of these Wikipedia articles, a brief summary be presented in the "trivia" section of the game article (or in a short section of its own, a la here), and an interwiki link be provided to either the Final Fantasy wiki or Wikibooks. – Seancdaug 19:47, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Put it for AfD if you would like, but I will put the entire category Category:Final Fantasy albums for deletion based on the same rationality. Wikipedia is not a Fan site. Now I also do not want to come to that, so I propose that we create a page just for all FFX and FFX/2 books, just like the soundtrack is. As you suggest, listing the content and interviews would make the articles too long to effectively merge with the main page. Which is why I'm taking this issue to heart. It took a lot of work for you to simply delete without a single warning

PS: I have no idea of what nuance you are talking about. Provide specific examples so that I can defend myself, please Renmiri 19:58, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

Just a point: Final Fantasy albums can be fleshed out with a track listing, infobox, and so on. It is hard to do that with minor books. Although I do think that all published items belong on Wikipedia, many anti-fictional Wikipedians will throw WP:FICT in our faces if there are several stub articles on minor books. Deckiller 20:02, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Not true. Look at The Art of Final Fantasy X book which I own so I was able to input all the info. I feel that if we go to the trouble of listing every single voice actor that is on the game, we should at least give an equal treatment to the books

Nevermind, Sean deleted that one also... This is so frustrating! I had blogged about how wonderful it was to help build Wikipedia, but Sean is destroying my enthusiasm so I wil blog a correction: Don't ever get close to Wikipedia! Renmiri 20:11, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

I seem to recall reading about not biting the newcomers which I surely feel Sean DID NOT follow by deleting four pages (1, 2, 3, 4) I spent a lot of time doing without a single message and without leaving it for consensus. This is definitely NOT the experience I had so far with other users here on Wikipedia, some of them with a lot better claim at being right than him. I put the image and at he books they were scanned issue up for review at the project page, so we can have consensus. Your view will stand on it's merits and so will mine. But I am also real tired of this discussion so I won't be editing more pages until this is resolved Renmiri 20:55, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

Well, all I can say is that I feel as upset as you are and I do not feel erasing 4 pages is assume good faith kind of behavior. Sure they are retrievable. I know how to do it and even did it with the first deletion I noticed. I am not retrieving the pages out of respect for Wikipedia, to avoid getting into a editing war. Anyhow, this back and forth arguing is getting us nowhere so I entered a request for mediation with the Wikipedia Cabal. Renmiri 21:16, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

What you are forgetting that 90% of the images on the articles for Spira and FFX / FFX2 have been scanned from said books, so at least for better justifying claims of fair use the books should be mentioned. It is NOT fair use to scan half of the book and refuse to give it prominence on the Enciclopedia IMHO. And will wager that SE agrees. Renmiri 20:18, 11 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

It is not the erasing of content that got me upset, it is HOW it was done and the "my patience is wearing thin" coments that came with your remarks. The case is here in case you want to add your side to the story

Unfortunately, justifying fair use claims is never an argument for creating (or keeping) an article. Notability is the one and only criteria. We can use images from artbooks and whatnot for other illustrative purposes (say, using an image of Shuyin from FFX-2 Ultimania to illustrate Shuyin), but to suggest that we need to have an article on a book to justify using images from the book to illustrate said book is a little too recursive.... And (though I suspect you were exaggerating with the "half of the book" comment), we're technically cannot claim more than 1/10th of a work under fair use, period. See Wikipedia:Fair use criteria. – Seancdaug 20:26, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Moving on is fine with me. I now feel you understand what got me frustrated and I also respect the work that all of you have been doing prior to my recent collaborations. We have both agreed to abide by what the outcome of the merge requests and the note on the project page says. Consider this matter closed. No hard feelings left on my side. That goes for you too Deck ;-) Renmiri 03:13, 12 February 2006 (UTC)Renmiri

Someone contacted me about the mediation request. I told them that we "settled it out of court" and that as far as I am concerned the matter is closed Renmiri 16:49, 25 February 2006 (UTC)

• No one closes the case so I did it myself <grin> Renmiri 03:57, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

Final Fantasy X

I liked your changes but now the page layout of FFX is completely different from FFX2. They should match IMHO. Care to do the honors ? Renmiri 22:58, 27 February 2006 (UTC)

Moving Final Fantasy articles (from Jerzy's talk)

Jerzy, please stop moving Final Fantasy related articles: the standard naming convention used by the FF WikiProject states that, when we need to disambiguate article titles (along the lines of "Foo (Bar)"), then we do so by specifying the game title. Hence, Zack (Final Fantasy VII) and Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII). If a character or concept appears in multiple FF games, only then does it get the general "(Final Fantasy)" notice, and "(video game)" only applies when a concept is not specific to the FF games (and, in any case, it should probably be "(computer and video games)" as that is the standard CVG terminology. Thanks! – Seancdaug 04:40, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

_ _ Well, perhaps the first 'graph of the Sephiroth (Final Fantasy VII) article, on which i based that renaming decision, is just braindead. And if that is what yr project standards say, IMO they need some wider oversight, as your failure to cite the overall WP standards documents, the cluelessness of User:Hibana in citing Sephiroth, and your failure to clean up after your moves hints. But even without my being the one to blow the whistle, my interest in FF has already been overtaxed, so i am unlikely to annoy you again.
--Jerzy•t 05:07, 4 October 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy N64 AfD

Hi, I changed my vote to Merge. It's better in this way. Carioca 03:00, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy N64 AfD

OK, i will change my vote to merge reight now. It's... Thelb4! 15:09, 7 October 2005 (UTC)

Kadaj Article (Or not...)

Hey no problem - you no doubt know better than me, so I'll follow your lead! Hehehe It's me Yeah your Right that I forgot to Login ahehehehe highbreed Final Fantasy contribution

Rockville

Saw your edit on Final Fantasy Legend, went by your userpage, saw you lived in Rockville and decided to say hi from Montgomery Village, Maryland. :) --Syrthiss 17:17, 14 October 2005 (UTC)

Deletion of Final Fantasy VI character articles

A Link to the Past has put all the Final Fantasy VI character articles up for deletion because they only appear in one game. I've already put a note of this on the Project page and the FFVI Talk page (A Link to the Past deleted it). I figured you would know whether or not this a new policy change or if A Link is just being a jerk. ~ Hibana

For one, fine, maybe I should have alerted the community. And it's not policy, it is just an argument based on WP:FICT guidelines. Also, my opinions that the lot of you are overly aggressive in your attempt at protecting FF-related articles when you seek to get the AfDs closed, and when you call me a jerk for placing them on the AfD, are not put to rest very well.

Also, you want my suggestion? Transwiki it to Wikibooks. It would do well there, as you can make an even larger article there. - A Link to the Past (talk) 03:47, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

I've already ADMITTED I should have taken it up with the Project. Additionally, I did not say you called me a jerk, I was referring to Hibana.

My opinion has changed since then, and that opinion has changed to the point where I wish to transwiki both Advance Wars and Final Fantasy VI articles. I did not have the opinion of transwiking when I posted the AfDs. - A Link to the Past (talk) 04:16, 15 October 2005 (UTC)

Response.

I apologize for taking an unrelated argument to the project. But in all seriousness, I have to wonder about Ereinion, as he welcomed the user and defended the user. I'm not pointing any fingers until I can actually back it up, so I won't discuss it anymore, not until I get it checked out if this user is connected to a user on the project. - A Link to the Past (talk) 08:43, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

You can rest assured that I am not accusing anyone of anything, not until I can confirm they are using a sockpuppet (which I will then bring this to the administrator). I already apologized for bringing the squabble to the Project. - A Link to the Past (talk) 09:00, 17 October 2005 (UTC)

Ereinion.

I apologize for bringing this to your user talk page, but Ereinion has become highly aggressive, and I would appreciate it if you assisted in helping him even himself out. He is threatening to report me as a vandal if I claim that he is making personal attacks (believing that drivel somehow isn't meant to be insulting). Thank you. - A Link to the Past (talk) 01:57, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

I brought it to his user talk page as opposed to carrying it out. Maybe it would have been better to say "do not make insulting comments" instead of personal attacks. - A Link to the Past (talk) 02:51, 19 October 2005 (UTC)

Personal Request

Can you tell me where you found Image:Final Fantasy III DS game logo.jpg? I've been looking for it everywhere. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 00:01, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Thanks. --JiFish(Talk/Contrib) 13:42, 23 October 2005 (UTC)

Barnstar

Seancdaug is awarded this Barnstar for being a voice of reason and level-headedness in video game-related articles.

Sean, I was very impressed by your efforts during the Final Fantasy VI FA nomination, even though you and I didn't quite get off on the right foot. Since, I've come to see how level-headed you are with all your edits, especially in the video game articles. That's a very difficult field to be in on Wikipedia, what with so many contributors, many of whom may not be the most cooperative. At any rate, have a Barnstar. You deserve it. BrianSmithson 02:02, 29 October 2005 (UTC)

Aw, shucks. Thanks, Brian. I'm honored. – Seancdaug 20:58, 5 November 2005 (UTC)

Images in templates

If the tempaltes are only used on pages with appropriate context that the images would apply as fair use, then shouldnt it be fair use for hte images to be on the templates? Seeing how they *only* appear on pages in context? --larsinio 17:54, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

I was wondering the same thing, since you removed the Samurai Shodown logo I uploaded for the series template.--MoriyaMug 22:17, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

Ditto, the logic in removing fair-use logos/images from templates which are only used on related articles is lost on me. Also, WP:FU is supposedly only a guideline (though the section where templates are discussed is under a section named "Policy"-- that couldn't be more confusing). -Locke Cole 22:45, 1 November 2005 (UTC)

The introduction of the "policy" section does seem to indicate that the points contained within are policy. It's certainly fair unequivocal in language. I'm not going to get involved in an edit war over this, and if people feel that I have acted out-of-turn I'll understand if the changes are reverted. But I would strongly urge that the issue be brought up on the fair use discussion page, as I am concerned that this is the sort of problem that has serious repurcussions for the encyclopedia, well beyond the usual sort of policy debates that show up every now and then. – Seancdaug 04:11, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Fair enough. In reading the link, the removal makes sense, but aren't other series templates in violation of this same thing? I based mine off of the Street Fighter one, which uses a similar ripped logo.--MoriyaMug 04:19, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

Yeah. I tried to go through and fix everything I found earlier in the day, but apparently I missed the Street Fighter template (which is odd, as I edited it to move it into a new category, but apparently missed the image entirely). It's been corrected now. Sorry for the confusion. – Seancdaug 07:31, 2 November 2005 (UTC)

External links in Final Fantasy

i've reported your behavior to an administrator. no site is being 'advertised'. both of the sites are more comprehensive than the 3 already being linked to, and one of them is a reference for the article itself, www.fforigins.com. (the preceding unsigned comment was left by User:Kermit blue on 00:07, 6 November 2005 – Seancdaug 04:43, 6 November 2005 (UTC))

Page Redesign

I, Mollsmolyneux, have redesigned the List of incomplete Doctor Who serials page. To view it please Click Here. Please leave any comments you have about the page on My Talk Page and tell me if you think I should put the page on. -- Mollsmolyneux 12:51, 12 Nov 2005 (UTC)

Kadaj

He deserves his own article. He has already been shown to be a major character in the Final Fantasy VII Universe. SGCommand How about a small biography on the Advent Children page?SGCommand

game logos

Hey, was a new consenus passed about game logo's and non-american box art for articles. Soul Calibur caught my eye earlier today, and someone attempted to change the box art to the japanese box art for the original The Legend of Zelda. was a new consenus passed that i missed? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 16:20, 27 November 2005 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:PolyStation NES clone.jpg

Thanks for uploading Image:PolyStation NES clone.jpg. I notice the image page currently doesn't specify who created the image, so the copyright status is therefore unclear. If you have not created the image yourself then you need to argue that we have the right to use the image on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the image yourself then you should also specify where you found it, i.e., in most cases link to the website where you got it, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the image also doesn't have a copyright tag then you must also add one. If you created/took the picture then you can use {{GFDL}} to release it under the GFDL. If you can claim fair use use {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or {{fairuse}}. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other images, please check that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of image pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thanks so much. --Pak21 11:04, 9 December 2005 (UTC)

Final Fantasy logos sandbox

Hi, thanks for your message. I realise that fair-use isn't allowed in the userspace. However, I plan to move this page out of the userspace at some point. I wanted to start in a sandbox because after I complete the article, I plan have a straw poll at the Final Fantasy Project regarding if this article belongs in the 'pedia or if it should be moved straight to another wiki. If someone asks me to remove the images, I'll switch to inline images whilst it is in the userspace. However, I don't think this will be an issue. --JiFish(^Talk/_Contrib) 16:04, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

And my break has finally started

Winter break has started up for me. So i'll have more time to edit once again. Anything important that i've missed some i've gone mia? --ZeWrestler ^Talk 00:45, 24 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks

Thanks for the apology, I'm sorry too. I let my temper get out of control. But I decided to cool down for a month. No hard feelings. --QubitOtaku (talk) 02:18, 25 December 2005 (UTC)

Fun with userboxes

I really like what you have done with your userbox section! Just recently I went through all the userboxes that are listed on the userbox page and picked out most of the ones that I identify with and hastily dumped them on my notebook page till I could figure out how to better organize them. I'll probably model the layout after yours :)

On a related note, looking through all of those userboxes made me come up with a list of ones to create as well ...ie, there isn't one for MY university (Texas A&M), or for ferrets ...or Dr. Pepper (at least not that I could find). Maybe I'll actually get around to making those someday! Anyhow, just wanted to say "howdy" and that I like how your userpage is coming along.

Your fellow computer games article editor, --Naha|^(talk) 01:32, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Finally got them all organized on my playground page:P --Naha|^(talk) 07:54, 28 December 2005 (UTC)

Moogle Image Copyright

Actually according to Wikipedia's policy, it qualifies as fair use if a rationale is given, which is what I was planning to do. Although what you intend to use it for isn't considered instructive, it is unlicensed. This means as long as the author to it is properly accredited and used in its own context it is technically fair game. Of course it isn't important, so you can use what image you like, I just thought clearification would be beneficial. Eluchil 02:14, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

I appreciate you clearing that up. I was under the impression you meant copyright in general, not Wikipedia's own procedures on the matter. No harm, no foul. Eluchil 09:01, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

User:Kelly Martin

Based on your comments at User talk:Kelly Martin, I believe that Wikipedia:Requests_for_comment/Kelly_Martin may interest you. Thanks in advance for any support you can provide. —BorgHunter (talk) 22:36, 31 December 2005 (UTC)

Image source

First of all, it's nice to see a new design for your user page and I like userboxes too. Now, the reason I'm sending you this message, is that I'm currently going from 0-9 and A-Z for Final Fantasy images and I am now up to Image:Chocobo.gif which has no information for its source and I've been searching with no result. I know it's been a while since you uploaded it, I hope you know where you got it.--DarkEvil 00:01, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

OK, message received, it's certain that Chocobo images is the last thing we could be missing on the web. I'll search for better versions, might not be a gif file though, so I'll list this one for deletion when it's unused.--DarkEvil 00:30, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

admin abuse by cryptic

user:cryptic who says on his userpage "all user boxes except babel are silly" keeps deleting the headers about the RfC from Wikipedia:Userboxes and Wikipedia:WikiProject Userboxes and bans anyone that puts them back or comments about his vandalism

He is abusing his admin instablocking people who disagree with him and deleting messages from talk pages:

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history of related pages:

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you might want to bring that up in the RfC. i wont since he blocked my account (saveus) unfairly. --204.157.37.100 01:23, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Category:Communication disorders

Please rename this to something different as tagging articles like Autism with that is going start edit wars with some of the "anti-cure" side. I've reverted it for that particular article. Thanks! WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 07:35, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

No problem - don't worry about it. Happy new year! WhiteNight ^{T | @ | C} 07:42, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Argh! (Fair use)

re: Erm... shoot — Argh! Those bloody fair use things. I can never understand what's legal and what's not anymore! Thanks for letting me know mate. All the best for the new year and that.. hopefully I'll be back on the 'Pedia and helping the project soon. Happy new years, — cuaHL 21:52, 1 January 2006 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Paper chromatography of amino acids

Could you please reconsider your vote? I think it would fine at Wikibooks. - Mgm|^(talk) 13:25, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Haylo

Hey, as you're still the ultimate project lord that gave birth to the FF WikiProject I'd love your opinion on giving the project a revamp. I don't mean to be standing on anyone's toes, I'm just looking for ways to cope with how big this project has actually become! Anyways, let me know what you think on the discussion. Cheers mate — cuaHL 16:29, 10 January 2006 (UTC)

Move to Univisión

Since "Univisión" is used elsewhere in the encyclopedia, it makes sense to try and be consistent. I'm not sure if that means we should move this page, or rename the pertinent categories.... – Seancdaug 07:24, 2 January 2006 (UTC)

Can you show me an official Univision page that calls it Univisión. Even though such a name technically should have that accent, if they don't use the accent, we don't use the accent. -- user:zanimum

Final Fantasy IX story issues

Hey there. I noticed that the FFIX story article was large and not quite wikified (I plan on working on it). Do you feel that most of that information is obsolete to begin with? Deckiller 03:47, 13 January 2006 (UTC)

I trimmed it down. How much more do you think needs to be taken out? Deckiller 03:42, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

-=Nods=- Okay; I was planning on doing that initially, but I didn't want to be too WP:BOLD and create an uprising, since I'm still relatively new to the project. I'll merge what is necessary, and redirect the story page after transwiki. Deckiller 03:54, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Fair use images

I noticed you're reverting a lot of my edits to userboxes, saying that the images "may or may not" be fair use images. I've been taking the position that userboxes should be beyond reproach--that if we're going to stop the userbox deletion hunt that's been going on, we should use only images that we are clearly free to use. The more questionable content userboxes contain, the more we open ourselves (meaning people who support userboxes) up to criticism and TfDs. What do you think? --Fang Aili 23:25, 14 January 2006 (UTC)

Advent Children

You made a comment some time ago on Advent Children about the length of the summary being too long, which it really, really, is. If you want to shorten it, I'll be glad to help out. Eeno 10:13, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

RFA thanks

Thanks for supporting me in my RFA. --TimPope 14:03, 15 January 2006 (UTC)

For me? You shouldn't have!

Hey, Seancdaug. Thanks for the barnstar. I know I minor-edit entirely too much! ~ Hibana 22:49, 16 January 2006 (UTC)

Admins should be held more accountable for their actions than they are now

1. Agree with Crotalus. Moreover, I think that higher accountability for admins would go a long way to correcting the dismaying trend of seeing adminship treated as a mark of social status. Adminship is a job, not a privilege, and anyone unable or unwilling to meet the requirements of that job should be kept on. – Seancdaug 21:24, 17 January 2006 (UTC)
   • Did you mean to say that they should not be kept on, here? -- nae'blis _(talk) 21:45, 17 January 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

For all your work on final fantasy articles. You were also one of the first users to slap me in the wrist for fancruft, which was key to my development as a Wikipedian. Deckiller 21:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

For all your work on final fantasy articles. You were also one of the first users to slap me in the wrist for fancruft, which was key to my development as a Wikipedian. Deckiller 21:08, 19 January 2006 (UTC)

CC character articles

All merged, except for Kid, Serge, Lynx, and Harle. Deckiller 04:25, 21 January 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Heh, you beat me to that, I was spacing the coverart while you were =P Deckiller 01:44, 22 January 2006 (UTC)

The new format looks good. Deckiller 23:43, 23 January 2006 (UTC)

CVG/RPG frank exchange of views

Thanks for your note on my talk page. There's a longer version there, but sorry for losing my temper. Percy Snoodle 20:50, 24 January 2006 (UTC)

Kappas in FF

The Kappa (Japanese folklore) article claimed that they were called Kappas in the Japanese version of FF but translated as "imps" in the American port. That not so? I've never played FF in Japanese, so I never thought to question the statement. —BrianSmithson 18:14, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

Thanks. Looks good. — BrianSmithson 19:09, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

FF spin-off titles

Hey again, Seancdaug. Even though this is off-topic, I noticed in your post in Talk:Seiken Densetsu that you added a colon to the title of Final Fantasy: Mystic Quest. That's actually a redirect, and I was wondering if that's the correct way to title the game. Final Fantasy: Crystal Chronicles has a colon, so should it be the same? Also, it was once discussed that Final Fantasy Adventure is actually title The Final Fantasy Adventure, as GameFAQs has listed it. I can't tell on that boxart, but if you look on the North American boxart of Final Fantasy Legend, you'll see it has a "the" in the title as well. I know these are trivial issues, but you've got a much greater knowledge of policies and guidelines than me and I'd like to make the titles as precise as possible. Thanks. ~ Hibana 23:29, 26 January 2006 (UTC)

RPG stubs category move

Looks like a sound plan in principle to me: you might want to bring it up at WP:SFD. Alai 05:52, 27 January 2006 (UTC)

Article up for FA

New England Patriots - I've been working on it extensively, take a look and vote if ya want ^_^ Deckiller 21:02, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

8-Bit Theater Article Edit

I'd be nice if more people used the talk page! It really gets annoying after a while.

BTW, thanks for providing a link. NoDot 22:13, 28 January 2006 (UTC)

A response

I'm well aware of Wikipedia's policies. But to say that an article about Red XIII or Kimahri is meaningful while one about Terra or Celes is fancruft is absurd. I can tell you now that Terra and Celes (and not to mention Locke, Edgar, and Sabin) are far more popular than Red XIII. If we are to turn a blind eye to the earlier games in the series, we become elitists. And although Wikipedia is not an indiscriminate collection of info, it shouldn't be spitting in the face of cultism and fandom either. An article like "list of spells in FFIV" or "Luca" or "Lindblum" or "Figaro" of course would be not allowed because they have too little merit. But a character article is different. There are plenty of characters from the later games who are much less popular than the Amano ones (All FFVIII characters not named Squall or Rinoa, Kimahri, Tidus, Yuna, Cait Sith, Rikku). And I've personally met more Amano fans than Nomura ones. I can tell you firsthand that there are plenty of FFI, FFIV, FFV, and FFVI fans out there. By your logic, which seems to be what we will call "proportional logic," Ronald Reagan deserves far more attention here than Bill Clinton on the sole fact that he received more popular votes. The majority of people who played both FFVII and FFVI consider FFVI to be better.

And also, by your logic, Kefka is more deserving of a page than Seymour, yet you personally seem to disagree. Do more people know about Seymour than Kefka? I don't know, I don't know every Final Fantasy fan out there. But what I DO know is that a general consensus among fans is that Sephiroth is the most influential villain, followed immediately by Kefka.

And isn't it fancruft when a more popular game gets more recognition than a lesser one? Somehow I feel like the general consensus around here is to basically ignore (I know that sounds harsh, but I don't know a better way to put it. Words fail me) the pre-Playstation era.Crazyswordsman 06:32, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Oh yeah, I forgot. About the FF Wiki, it is very unreliable and is in dire need of attention and cleanup, and no one seems to want to do this. If it were hosted by, say MediaWiki, it probably would be overall better than the state it is in now. It's very disorganized, and although I will be happy to fix it, I refuse to do it without help. Crazyswordsman 06:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

You're right, but I am a personal believer in numbers and statistics not being the only thing that defines notability. There are other things as well. (That's just my belief, feel free to discuss).

Your example of Sephiroth being more notable than Matoya is a pretty bad one, no offense. No one would argue this. In fact, no one would argue against Sephiroth's higher importance than Kefka, Aeris over Rydia, or Cloud's over Cecil's. My logic only involves playables, and I doubt anyone would argue against Terra's notablility over Selphie's, Kain's over Kimahri's, or Sabin over Zell. Personally, if you want to merge the FFIV characters, I won't stop you (although I'd prefer that you didn't). But FFVI is still one of the most notable games in the series, and it is one of the most fondly remembered. For that reason, at least SOME of the PCs in FFVI deserve an article: Terra, Locke, Edgar, Sabin, Celes, Mog, and maybe Setzer. Characters like Strago, Relm, Shadow, Gau, Gogo, and Umaro are fair game for mergery.Crazyswordsman 17:22, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

All the FFVI characters have more legitimate info on Wikipedia than Selphie. That alone is information enough to back up my claim. Crazyswordsman 18:35, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

All my arguments still stand, and they are just as valid as yours or anyone elses. I still don't see any evidence to merge characters due to notability. From my perspective (and this is MY PERSPECTIVE, NOT A FACT. I CAN'T STRESS THIS ENOUGH, for reasons that I only see what you write as your perspective) popularity does not equal notablility. I will now provide a list of characters who deserve their own article plus reasoning: Cecil, Terra, Cloud, Squall, Zidane, and Tidus (all for obvious reasons), Kain (he left a big imprint on the series. Kain's lance seems to be a staple now), Celes (ffonline.com said she was the most influential character of all time), Aeris (left a HUGE mark), Tifa (another huge mark, major role in story), Rinoa (major player), Garnet (obvious), Yuna (obvious), and Rikku (and I HATE Rikku. She just has been in two games, that's the ONLY reason). All other characters have legitimate cases to be merged. And considering I hate most of the characters I listed, I don't want to hear that I'm being biased. And the game a character is in is no absolule basis for keep or merge. It seems that most major editors think the contrary, but it shouldn't be an absolute test. Crazyswordsman 23:03, 5 February 2006 (UTC)

Well, stopping new character articles sounds like a good idea for now. But should all the pre-Playstation characters get merged and all the post get their own article, I wouldn't argue against that if, and ONLY if, we provide extra external links to other pages with more info on those characters, such as bios at Caves of Narshe (which, as far as Final Fantasy fansites go, is one of the most notable; only FFOnline.com and the FF Compendium are probably visited more, and CoN is pre-Playstation plus FFVII-centric). Then I'd definitely understand all points. But expanding post-Playstation articles just to give them their own page (obviously not so with the FFVII main heroes since they are expanded enough) and shrinking the pre-Playstation ones so they can be merged isn't a good idea. Also, if a circumstance like this arises, we should still have Amano art, a CG graphic (where applicable), and a sprite for each character, just to make it look a little more colorful. No one will read a page of all text. Crazyswordsman 02:26, 7 February 2006 (UTC)

Hey

Hey, how goes the editing? It has been a while since we last talked. Deckiller 00:06, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

Cool. You might be interested in working on the Star Wars Wikiproject, too...we're going to focus on removing cruft, formatting, merging, whatever needs to be done. User:Deckiller/WikiProject Star Wars. ^_^ Deckiller 00:45, 11 February 2006 (UTC)

This mediation business

Wow. I just got through reading the development of this unfortunate situation... I was about to add some measure of defense against some of the points raised by Renmiri but I don't want it to look like some supposed WPFF cabal is closing ranks. Assuming this hasn't completely demoralised you, what do you reckon? >Gamemaker 02:17, 12 February 2006 (UTC)

template web reference

Sorry for reverting you on template:web reference. But all inclusions were completely in italic font after your removal of 'style="font-style:normal;"'. So I think it is needed. All the best! --Adrian Buehlmann 23:33, 14 February 2006 (UTC)

An update

Thanks again for your input. To prepare for the incoming apocolypse, I did something very drastic: I created (lots of) FFVI articles on the FFWiki. I've looked at that place, and it seemed to me like a breeding ground for one to two sentence articles on characters in post-FFVI games. I took it upon myself to prove a point: FFVI is like a four star restaurant while FFVII-FFX are like McDonalds (the four-star is better, but for some reason everyone likes the McDonalds). The FFVI articles I created over there are much more in depth than those of the later installments, and I try to make them look like they could pass for their own pages. I actually would appreciate your help with the pre-Playstation games. I want to make that section the most beautiful over there (I won't destroy the others, heh, don't worry, I'm just going above and beyond for FFVI). Go check them out! (By the way, I am creating all the FFVI articles except the main one from scratch, and not importing much from here).

Over here, I've done some major work on the List of FFV locations article (and it still needs lots of work). Crazyswordsman 20:52, 17 February 2006 (UTC)

WPFF tweak

Hi there, long time no speak I know. I've been mad busy with this thing they call life so I haven't been involved as much as I'd like to! Anyways, I was thinking about giving WikiProject Final Fantasy a bit of a tweak and wouldn't do anything of the sort without you being one of the first people I involve. I've been working on a project within my userpages where I've been taking each project page individually and looking at it from a point of usablility. I haven't done everything I want to do yet as you can see, but I would really love your input. Hope I'm not being rude. All the same, hope all is well with you, and hope to hear from you soon. Good things only of course ;) — CuaHL 02:04, 20 February 2006 (UTC)

Image:Sunday2.jpg

Hey, Roofus. I've removed Image:Sunday2.jpg from the Nintendo Entertainment System article, because I'm concerned that it was a little excessive to include two images from Wisdom Tree games in the article, and my feeling that the existing image (Image:Bible adventures.jpg) added more to the content of the article: the title screen is relatively mundane, but the cartridge itself is of a unique design. If you want to dispute my reasoning, I'm willing to be swayed :). As an aside, if you are responsible for capturing the image, could I ask you to consider recapturing it in PNG format? Generally speaking, NES screenshots look and compress better in PNG format than in JPEG format. If you don't know what I'm talking about, it's not really a big deal. – Seancdaug 06:16, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

It's cool. You're probably right anyway. I only thought that Sunday Funday was worth mentioning because it was the last NES game to be released in the United States, but that information could easiliy be added to the article itself. --Roofus 06:55, 22 February 2006 (UTC)

NES revert

I think there is a valid need to link. When I was reading the NES article I wanted to learn about the 10NES chip, and wasn't going to go searching around for more info. Knowing about learning in-depth detail is relevent to the context of the link. Your revert only puts the 10NES link one time. I don't believe my linking was excessive or irrelevent. - Hbdragon88 04:42, 26 February 2006 (UTC)

Note from FFIV page

Hi, this is Mike, I'm working on the FFIV page, I dont think I was clear on the peer review page, totally format the game versions information the way you like, it'll be totally cool :) Thanks much! Judgesurreal777 06:49, 2 March 2006 (UTC)

Many thanks

Many thanks ^_^. I'll be sending around a formal RfA thank you note pretty soon, once it's official :). By the way, have you thought about adminship? Deckiller 03:45, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

My RfA

Hey Seancdaug/archive2, how is it going? Thank you for supporting my Request for adminship! It passed with a final vote of 73/1/1, which means that I have been granted adminship! I look forward to using these tools to enhance and maintain this wonderful site. I will continue regular article/project contributions, but I will also allocate a sizable portion of my wikischedule toward administrative duties :) Thanks again, and if you have any questions/comments/tips, please let me know! — Deckiller 04:47, 10 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Pocket Famicom.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Pocket Famicom.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. 69.151.234.147 22:29, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Image Tagging Image:Dendy.jpg

This media may be deleted.

Thanks for uploading Image:Dendy.jpg. I notice the 'image' page currently doesn't specify who created the content, so the copyright status is unclear. If you have not created this media yourself then there needs to be an argument why we have the right to use the media on Wikipedia (see copyright tagging below). If you have not created the media yourself then it needs to be specified where it was found, i.e., in most cases link to the website where it was taken from, and the terms of use for content from that page.

If the media also doesn't have a copyright tag then one should be added. If you created/took the picture, audio, or video then the {{GFDL-self}} tag can be used to release it under the GFDL. If you believe the media qualifies as fair use, consider reading fair use, and then use a tag such as {{Non-free fair use in|article name}} or one of the other tags listed at Wikipedia:Image copyright tags#Fair_use. See Wikipedia:Image copyright tags for the full list of copyright tags that you can use.

If you have uploaded other media, consider checking that you have specified their source and copyright tagged them, too. You can find a list of 'image' pages you have edited by clicking on the "my contributions" link (it is located at the very top of any Wikipedia page when you are logged in), and then selecting "Image" from the dropdown box. Note that any unsourced and untagged images will be deleted one week after they have been uploaded, as described on criteria for speedy deletion. Thank you. 69.151.234.147 22:31, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Welcome back

Heya man, welcome back! — Deckiller 01:46, 26 March 2006 (UTC)

Writing about fiction

Hey, Sean. If you get the chance, would you mind checking out User:BrianSmithson/Writing about fiction? It's an essay on how I believe fictional-topic articles should be written for Wikipedia (and it borrows from User:Uncle G/Describe this universe, which you may have already seen). I value your contributions to articles on video games and the like, so any feedback or direct editing to the essay would be greatly appreciated; I hope this will become a good resource for users who want to avoid writing crufty articles. Thanks, — BrianSmithson 18:25, 27 March 2006 (UTC)

Rockville

Regarding this edit, Google Maps says Strathmore is in Rockville, though Strathmore's website, which gives the same address, says North Bethesda. Which brings us to a long debate: is North Bethesda part of Rockville? It doesn't really matter that much. Thanks for rewording the article! --M@thwiz2020 22:54, 31 March 2006 (UTC)

I know I shouldn't write messages on talk archives, but I just want to reply. I checked Google Earth's city boundaries overlay and Strathmore is (legally) outside of Rockville. Rockville's southbound boundary is Rockville Pike at Montrose Road. --M@thwiz2020 23:33, 4 April 2006 (UTC)

WikiProject: Gamecruft

I've decided to create a WikiProject devoted to discussing what articles qualify as gamecruft, and what do not. Contact me if you are interested, or have questions. - A Link to the Past (talk) 07:58, 1 April 2006 (UTC)

Barnstar

I,Renmiri , present this barnstar to Seancdaug in recognition of the excellent idea he had on how to prevent deletion of Final Fantasy screenshots Renmiri 21:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)

Thanks for coming up with the idea that saved all my hard work uploading pics for the FFX project <grin> . Your knowledge of Wiki stuff awes me ! Renmiri 21:29, 2 April 2006 (UTC)