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The following is an archived discussion of a featured list nomination. Please do not modify it. Subsequent comments should be made on the article's talk page or in Wikipedia talk:Featured list candidates. No further edits should be made to this page.

The list was promoted by Dabomb87 00:34, 27 November 2011 [1].

Katy Perry discography[edit]

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Nominator(s): - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I have just completely rewritten and reformatted the article removing unreliable references, OR, and general mess. I got tired of looking at the giant clean up banner so i did something. Please leave your comments below and thanks (: - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 02:46, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from J Milburn (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's not looking bad.
  • "Subsequent singles from the album include "Thinking of You" and "Waking Up in Vegas": the latter of which reached number nine on the Billboard Hot 100. In 2009, Perry was featured on two singles: the first being Colorado-based band 3OH!3's song "Starstrukk" in August, and "If We Ever Meet Again", the fourth single from Timbaland's Shock Value II in December. Both singles reached the top ten in Australia, Ireland, and the UK." This needs a massage- I'm not keen on those colons
    • Re-written.
  • "Additionally, the singles "Teenage Dream", "Firework", and "E.T." (featuring rapper Kanye West) and "Last Friday Night (T.G.I.F.)" became number-one singles all around the world. Additionally the five singles all reached number one on the Billboard Hot 100, thus with this accomplishment Perry became the first woman and only the second artist (behind Michael Jackson and his album, Bad) to attain five number-one singles from an album.[1]" Same here- doesn't read as well as it could.
    • Re-written.
  • So the EPs didn't chart in any meaningful way?
    • Nope, all received very limited releases and were mainly "buzz releases" according to the label.
  • I'm not keen on the multi-row cells for the years in the single list. Would a "single details" column not be possible?
    • No this is the standard established for FL discographies and all are to be as consistent to one another as possible.
  • What is RadioScope? Is it definitely reliable?
  • What is Ifpicr.cz? Is it definitely reliable?
    • Same as above.
  • What is Video Static? Is it definitely reliable?
    • The owner of the site, and writer is "Steven J Gottlieb who is the former Senior Editor of music video trade magazine CVC Report (published from 1983 through 2004) and was an author at at CVC." He has substantial background history in music production and commonly speaks to labels and production companies. The website has a history for fact checking and is by far the best website for finding directors of music videos out there.
  • I take it we only record singles in which Perry featured, as opposed to albums/songs?
    • Yes, had the same issue with Kesha discography when it was promoted consensus for discographies are only for their released and featured releases.

The article seems to be mostly in order; I can certainly see myself supporting it. I did a little copyediting. J Milburn (talk) 12:26, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

First thank you for the review, all points above have been responded to with some being corrected. Please strike or cap responded to issues. Thanks (: - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 18:31, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
The improvements are solid, and your explanations of the sourcing/content choices are reasonable. I am going to hold off supporting for a time to see if anyone else raises valid concerns, but, barring some kind of revelation, I will be supporting. J Milburn (talk) 23:43, 22 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments – Some silly mistakes littered

  • Check italicization of online versus printed sources. You have Billboard non-italicized in many of them. : Done
  • Allmusic should always be in capital. : Done
  • Promotional singles: Why include the dance and korea charts if its not present in the other sections? A discography should contain 10 biggest market constant charts, and should not vary according to the artist's acomplishments in a varibale genre or market. : Fair enough, removed
  • Same for other charted. : Done
  • No capital lettering in reference titles please even though the original reference might show it. : Done
  • In the infobox, why not change the "As featured artist" to "Featured singles"? A consistency would be maintained. : Done
  • Billboard link for "If We Ever Meet Again" has the title as "Timbaland Perry Billboard..." lol : Done
  • Consistency between MTV reference formattings. : Done
  • Consistency in including RIANZ with Radioscope reference or not. : Done
  • What is the need for reference #2 to be formatted with {{harvnb}}? Its a single journal reference.
  • Dutch Top 40 website is actually published by Radio 538, while MegaCharts is the one who compiles it.

Overall a clean effort, well teh sanitizer was wrong. lol. — Legolas (talk2me) 12:11, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I have cleaned up the two points that the nominator was not able to understand. Over all good to support this. One question, how did you nominate this article since the talk page shows a red link to the nomination page? — Legolas (talk2me) 06:17, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Seems like another silly mistake, I corrected the article talk page. — Legolas (talk2me) 06:19, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments Aww crap, I was hoping to tackle this list soon =P. Anyways, the list is quite good!

  • Unlink singer-songwriter and musician Done
  • I wasn't able to access ref 45, if it does require a subscription then you should make a note of that in the reference. Done (reference was deleted as I deleted the chart per comments raised above.)
  • "(behind Michael Jackson and his album, Bad)" how about "behind Michael Jackson and his Bad album"? or just remove the comma
    • I think it's better how it is, though perhaps removing the brackets altogether would be worth attempting. J Milburn (talk) 08:10, 24 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]
      • Done reworded.
  • "attain five number-one singles from a single album." saying from one album might be better Done

Crystal Clear x3 21:37, 23 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Support Crystal Clear x3 16:10, 25 September 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 16:10, 31 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Oppose
  • Lead/infobox numbers don't tie up. done (forgot to update)
  • "which garnered attention but did not chart. " quantify this and cite it please. done
  • Worth linking something to certification. done
  • Where is Katy Hudson directly referenced? not-done - There is a references right beside that sentence: "Before Katy Perry kissed a girl and liked it she worshiped Jesus and sang about it, all under her given name of Katy Hudson."
  • Teenage Dream UK sales figures are two weeks old right now, and are therefore too precise. You should add an "as of" to the date of those (to the nearest album) figures. I've started a thread on this at WT:DISCOGSTYLE. Partially done : sales were changed to 700,000+ but until consensus on what you have said it will not as of yet been changed.
  • Similarly started a thread there about using the same abbreviation for say the Swedish charts and the IFPI (SWE in both cases...) :not done: Until you gain consensus for this change it will be left as is.
  • Ref 61 needs an en-dash. done

The Rambling Man (talk) 18:12, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

All except two issues have been changed as you need consensus to change the two issues which you have brought up. They are simple changes and if consensus ends up agreeing with you I will change them. Until then all issues have been addresses. Thank you for the review. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 19:43, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Cool, thank you. I hope you understand the reason for my oppose, it still stands, and it's up to you to gather a consensus one way or another to resolve these issues. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:15, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
"Each objection must provide a specific rationale that can be addressed. If nothing can be done in principle to address the objection, the director may ignore it." Why does an oppose still stand when you started the discussion? It is up to you to gain consensus to change an established style to a way you would like? It is not my job to change something that you personally want,it is your job to convince the community that the proposed above is something that should be implemented on all discographies. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 20:20, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]
No, I've already provided rationales for my objections. Using the same abbreviation twice for very different things is not right. It may be that it's happened before but it's not right. So please accept my position in opposing the promotion of this, and every other current discography based on that issue. Thanks. The Rambling Man (talk) 20:24, 24 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I don't particularly like it but nonetheless all issues have been corrected. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 07:51, 28 October 2011 (UTC)[reply]

  • Comment I'm a little confused. Here, Ur So Gay is listed both as a promotional single and an extended play, but both links lead to the same article which calls it a promotional single. What's correct? Pancake (talk) 00:33, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
It's both. It was released as an EP, but the song itself was released as a promotional single for the EP. The actual articles on here are crap. Ur So Gay is an ep, "Ur So Gay" is a promo song/single (not an actual single). - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 00:39, 6 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from Michael Jester:

Great work on the article, however, I have one comment. Where are the references about her "albums" that failed to be released (referring to the ones in the first paragraph in the lead)?
—Michael Jester (talk) 07:23, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
They are at the end of the first paragraph, reference number 2. "She subsequently recorded an album at the age of seventeen with producer Glen Ballard and record label Island Def Jam; the album failed, and was not released. In 2004, she signed to Columbia Records and started work on her third album, but was dropped again before it could be released. Perry eventually signed to Capitol and released her debut pop album, One of the Boys." is all sourced with that reference. - (CK)Lakeshade - talk2me - 07:26, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]
Alright, that's fine. I now feel I can Support. Great work on the article.
—Michael Jester (talk) 08:01, 26 November 2011 (UTC)[reply]


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