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The list was promoted by The Rambling Man 10:02, 15 June 2013 (UTC) [1].[reply]

List of songs written by Emeli Sandé[edit]

List of songs written by Emeli Sandé (edit | talk | history | protect | delete | links | watch | logs | views)

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Nominator(s):  — AARON • TALK 17:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

I am nominating this for featured list because... I've spent a long time inputting all the songs that Emeli Sandé has written. I believe it demonstrates how she not only writes material for herself, but also for others as a featured artist and for other artists in general. It shows how Emeli Sandé is a true singer-songwriter and she has written just as many songs for others as she has herself. I believe it meets the criteria, and I have drawn upon ideas and constructive criticisms from previous FLCs of mine in order to create this list. Hopefully on tweaks will be needed to be made to the list :-) lol  — AARON • TALK 17:26, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Looks great! Support – Underneath-it-All (talk) 20:04, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Oh wow thank you :)  — AARON • TALK 20:52, 5 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose, on the basis that according to to BMI Repertoire, Sandé has written at least 94 songs here. Just this week it was revealed Sandé has written "Side Effects of You", the title song from Fantasia Burrino's fifth album here. This article is in no way complete or comprehensive. Its just a list of songs that have made artist's albums and credit Sandé as a writer. Whilst I think there probably rational for the article, FLs are supposed to represent the best and most complete of articles. Promoting this to FL would detract from the whole point/purpose of FLs - to be the best of the list-type articles. (Sorry Aaron!) — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 14:07, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I searched for her on BMI and it returned nothing. So I don't know what you did to find those, because I didn't know about them.  — AARON • TALK 14:46, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
BMI Repertoire uses the standard surname chronological order. Hence if you search SANDE EMELI under songwriter it pulls up all those results. It feels wrong to promote a list to FL on the basis its about an artist's songwriting contributions, yet the only songs included are ones already released and the material from the introduction seems re-hashed from other articles. — Lil_℧niquℇ №1 [talk] 16:52, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I did, but I put the acute accent above the e.  — AARON • TALK 17:54, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I've started inputting the BMI songs.  — AARON • TALK 23:06, 8 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
I would just be careful because databases such as BMI, ASCAP, etc. also list songs that were written but never recorded or officially released. – Underneath-it-All (talk) 22:30, 9 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Not really sure what to do with this one, it's called "I M NOT IN A RUSH BUT I HAVEN" but it doesn't look like a complete title.  — AARON • TALK 10:11, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Underneath-it-All, this is a List of songs written by Emeli Sandé, so it doesn't really matter if she recorded them or not.  — AARON • TALK 23:20, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
OK. I was just putting it out there. I still support the list's nomination. – Underneath-it-All (talk) 23:22, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Lol, thanks.  — AARON • TALK 23:25, 10 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Not usually a commenter on candidates, but just pointing out that this page is currently an orphan with no content pages linking to it. I'm not 100% but it would seem to me that this isn't a good thing, may I suggest the Emeli Sandé template as a start? --Lightlowemon (talk) 09:43, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    There is an Emelie Sande template.  — AARON • TALK 12:39, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I am aware, but it does not link to the list you are trying to promote at all. --Lightlowemon (talk) 12:52, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Done.  — AARON • TALK 13:05, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments Hmm, tricky one... Obviously it's unfortunate that half the rows have N/A and Unknown cells – it makes the list look really incomplete. Made a couple of changes here – please revert if you disagree with them.
  • Per WP:OVERLINK, major countries such as France need not be wikilinked.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • The captions of the bottom three images (i.e. not of Sandé) need full stops.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • You could wikilink "Abide with Me".
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • "Hotel Cabana" is listed twice.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • "Imagine" should be removed.
    Oh yeah hehe  — AARON • TALK
  • "Just A Boy" -> "Just a Boy"
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • Artists need to sort under their surnames.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • There's probably no need to call OVoE "her debut studio album" in the note, as it's already described as such in the lead.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK
  • Spaced hyphens needs to be spaced endashes.
    Done.  — AARON • TALK

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 13:37, 27 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Might be worth including somewhere in the lead that Simon Cowell described Sandé as one of his "favourite songwriters" [2] — it'd provide a bit more context on how her songwriting is viewed within the industry.
    Is that a reliable source for FLC?  — AARON • TALK
    Fair question. It can also be sourced from The Telegraph or the Digital Spy interview that you cite in this article (reference 3).
    Added.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • OVoE should probably be listed first for the songs that featured on two albums.
    Even though Emeli is the featured artist?  — AARON • TALK
    Hmm, good point... I'll leave it with you then. Personally, I think there's merit in listing OVoE first, as it would group the songs with the other tracks on the album when the table is sorted. But it's up to you.
    She is the featured artist so I will leave it as her's second.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • This source states that Sandé has written at least one song for Cher Lloyd - any idea what it might've been?
    I've got no idea. I only found out the other day that "Side Effects of You" on BMI is actually Fantasia Barrino's song from her latest album.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • "Read All About It (Part III)" needs to be above "Read All About It" when the list first loads.
    Why?  — AARON • TALK
    If you sort the table by title, "Read All About It (Part III)" moves above "Read All About It".
    But why does part 3 need to be above? It's not strictly alphabetical that way.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Either part 3 needs to be above when the page first loads, or else it needs to be below part 1 when the table is sorted by title (e.g. through use of the Sort template).
    Done.  — AARON • TALK 11:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Made a few extra edits here – please revert if you don't like the changes.
  • "The song was conceptualised when ..., and stated that it was written very quickly" Okay, so I'm being a complete grammar prude here, but there's a slight problem with this sentence. In its current form, it sounds as if it's the song that is stating something, although obviously that's not the case. I'd suggest rewording it slightly.
    Added "she stated".  — AARON • TALK 11:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 22:27, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • I'm not so sure that it's really necessary to list more than one version of the same song. For example, Sandé herself presumably didn't write anything new for Leona Lewis's acoustic version of Trouble, did she?
    The versions are different from each other.  — AARON • TALK
    They're different versions, yeah, but of the same song. If you start including every acoustic version, alternative version, cover version, live version and remix of any song that Sandé has written, this list is going to get awfully bloated awfully quickly.
    "Trouble" is the only instance of this though, aside from an alternate version of one of song in this list.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That's my problem though. If you're going to list the alternate version of "Breaking the Law" and the acoustic version of "Trouble", then why not also list, say, the acoustic version of "Easier in Bed", or the instrumental version of "Clown", or the half-Italian version of "Read All About It"?
    I've removed "Breaking the Law" and "Trouble".  — AARON • TALK 11:44, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Nice, but what are your thoughts on Klass Remix Edit of "Radio"?
    Remix is a bit different because there is an additional writer and the structure of the song is different to accommodate it.  — AARON • TALK 16:55, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • What's the source for the the information in the note? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 16:52, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    It's the Digital Spy source where Mountains is. I've added it to the note anyway.  — AARON • TALK 09:48, 7 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Resolved comments from The Rambling Man (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
Comments
  • "Sandé worked with..." -> "She worked..."
  • "of the songs on Our Version of Events" -> "of the songs on the album"
  • Pretty much all bar the last sentence of the first para in the lead focuses on Sande and Naughty Boy. This is not a good "summary" of the whole list.
    But pretty all the songs were done with Naughty Boy only, so it's hard to get around that. I do mention 4/5 other writers too.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    That's simply not true. She performed a few of the songs with Naughty Boy, Shahid Khan wrote most of the songs with her. Now unless you tell the reader that Naughty Boy and Shahid Khan are one and the same, the lead seems very heavily biased... The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Well it is true. Naughty Boy, who is Shahid Khan, co-wrote 11 of the songs, so yes she did mainly worked with him on the album. I don't know how it is being bias?? It's fact. Any songs by Sande and Khan which were co-written with others also have their names mentioned too.  — AARON • TALK 11:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • "that have been included on their respective albums" what's the purpose of the word "respective" when there's nothing to respect?
    Lol, it's not about respecting. It's just a term used in music articles, that's how we phrase it. It's a way of saying on the other singer's album more succinctly.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm not sure the purpose of the word respective here, it's redundant. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Removed.  — AARON • TALK 11:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Abide With Me is referred to as Abide with Me on Wikipedia.
  • Who is "Traditional" when it comes to Writers? Perhaps a note rather than have "Traditional" listed as a writer.
  • How about linking to the associated Wiktionary page, i.e. [[wiktionary:traditional#Adjective|Traditional]]? A Thousand Doors (talk | contribs) 11:43, 5 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Linked.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • You might like to note that most of her songs are registered to a "Adele Emily Sande", not her "stage name" or whatever.
    I've just stuck to Emeli Sandé because it's easier. Some are, some aren't on BMI.  — AARON • TALK 13:20, 23 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Well what I meant was that you could have a footnote which just says that some of her credits are registered to her real name so it's not confusing to the reader. The Rambling Man (talk) 10:38, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What's the point though? Emeli Sande is her legal name, it doesn't matter if her middle name is used. I could understand if it was sometimes Lady Gaga or Stefani Germanotta, but Emeli Sande or Emeli Adele Sande isn't really important.  — AARON • TALK 11:50, 26 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    You could have added it by now... (and it's Adele Emeli, not Emeli Adele...) The Rambling Man (talk) 16:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I don't think there's any point, sorry.  — AARON • TALK 19:27, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    What's the harm? A note saying "Some of her songs are credited to her under her birth name of Adele Emeli Sande". Simple as. And adds just a little bit more info to the article. Why would you object to enhancing the article? The Rambling Man (talk) 19:32, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    If it was like Lady Gaga on some and Stefani Germanotta on some then maybe yes, but Adele Emily Sande and Emeli Sande, there's no point. It's kinda making something out of nothing.  — AARON • TALK 19:41, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Not really. You've spent ten times as long saying why it shouldn't be included than just noting it. Noting it does no harm and may benefit some readers. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:44, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Not necessarily. When Rihanna published the credits for ""Half of Me" from Unapologetic online people thought Adele Emeli Sande was Adele and Emeli Sande, reviews even said written by Adele and Emeli Sande, so I think it would actually just cause confusion.  — AARON • TALK 19:47, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    Ah, don't worry. I'll do it myself. The Rambling Man (talk) 19:55, 29 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Ref 2 needs an en-dash. Check 11, 12, 13, 14 ........
  • Ref 3 has no access date.

The Rambling Man (talk) 17:56, 3 May 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support. Couldn't find a flaw. Regards Robin (talk) 22:35, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

  • Thanks.  — AARON • TALK 22:51, 11 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]
    I usually don't make comments or have anything to do with this kind of stuff but I checked this and saw that there were no flaws. Easy4me (talk) 01:16, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Support: Couldn't find anything wrong with this one and it looks good enough for a support. - SchroCat (talk) 09:22, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Comments from WikiRedactor: The list looks good to me, I just have a couple suggestions/questions:

  • On Note 1, was the accent on her last name intentionally left off?
  • I think we need personality rights tags on all these pics. (Emeli's has it, though, so that's not an issue.)
    • What's that? Lol.  — AARON • TALK
      • Haha, I just learned about this the other day. Apparently these tags are put on pictures in Commons that are of people. WikiRedactor (talk) 23:16, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Nonetheless, I support the nomination. Good work! WikiRedactor (talk) 19:14, 12 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

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