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Document issues[edit]

Property names[edit]

  • Two among three church properties nationwide mispelled with "Epsicopal" in the name, where it should be as "Episcopal":
  1. 98000130 Calvary Epsicopal Church, in McDonough, NY
  2. 98001395 Emmanuel Epsicopal Church, in Elmira, NY

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submitted in batch01:2-4, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Two among three more church properties nationwide mispelled with "Epicopal" in the name, where it should be as "Episcopal":
  1. Bloomville Methodist Epicopal Church (Bloomville, New York)
  2. St. Barnabas Epicopal Church (Troy, New York)

doncram (talk) 13:27, 7 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]

submitted in batch01:5-7, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • "Newwark Valley Municipal Building and Tappan-Spaulding Memorial Library", of Newark Valley, NY, in Tioga County, NY, listed in NRIS, with typo misspelling Newark as Newwark. doncram (talk) 09:52, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:09, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • NRIS includes "Main Street Historic Distrct" for Addison, New York, in which the word "District" is misspelled, omitting an "i". This causes it to be omitted from some automatically generated pages, such as Elkman's suggested disambiguation for Main Street Historic District, and to be echoed with the mispelling in other automatically generated pages, e.g. NRHP.COM's Steuben County, NY listings. doncram (talk) 16:38, 5 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:10, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:11, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • For Russell Sage Memorial Church in Queens, NY, NRIS, Archiplanet and other echoes report: "Russell Sage Sage Memorial Church" with "Sage" repeated. Its NRHP Inventory/Nomination form available at NYS shows it as "Russell Sage Memorial Church", also known as "First Presbyterian Church of Far Rockaway". It was Ralph Adams Cram designed and has Tiffany stained glass windows. The church is known as First Presbyterian Church (formerly the Russell Sage Memorial building) at 1324 Beach 12 street, Far Rockaway, Queens. doncram (talk) 02:00, 5 October 2008 (UTC)[reply]
submitted in batch01:12, reported by NRHP_RT to be fixing in NRIS as of 3/4/2009. doncram (talk) 23:23, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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Further, it is listed as "Lafayette Park Historic" within the NYS historic docs system, following NRIS. But the NRHP nom document title, linked from new wikipedia article on it, is "Lafayette Park Historic District". doncram (talk) 21:19, 20 April 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • (NEED TO CHECK IN NRIS DIRECTLY) NRIS or at least Elkman generator lists "Carll Burr Jr." for what should be termed either the Carll Burr, Jr., House or perhaps "Carll Burr Jr. House", refnum 85002503 in Commack, New York in Suffolk County, New York. Name on NYS registration document is "Carll Burr Jr. House". NRHP.COM gets correctly as "Carll Burr, Jr., House". doncram (talk) 22:15, 7 September 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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  • PAD Factory, The, in Ticonderoga, should be simply Pad Factory; PAD is not an acronym-- the factory made pads of note paper. The all-caps title is following an error on the first page of the registration form ([1]); all subsequent pages use "Pad". And the ", The" is just silly.
  • Roosevelt Island Light, aka Blackwell Island Light and Welfare Island Light, is in NRIS simply as "Lighthouse". While true, it's not very helpful. It was built and owned by the City of New York, so it has never had an official USCG name. While the article is at Blackwell Island Light, it is a NYC Landmark with the name "Lighthouse, Roosevelt Island", so I suggest that the NRHP name should be "Roosevelt Island Light". . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 13:42, 14 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Old Orchard Shoal Light is listed as Orchard Shoal Light Station, Old, which suggests that this is an old light on Orchard Shoal. In fact, the shoal is named "Old Orchard Shoal", as is its lighthouse. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 01:13, 15 November 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Rider-Hopkins Farm and Olmsted Camp, Sardinia, New York, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in Erie County, New York, is listed in NRIS as "Rider-Hopkins Farm and Olmstead Camp". Typo: "Olmstead"; correction: "Olmsted". --doncram (talk) 13:40, 22 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]
From Wikipedia Help desk posting "Town Linke Church" (try [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wikipedia:Help_desk/Archives/2014_October_17#Town_Linke_Church this archive link): "I recently edited the article on Town Linke Church and cemetery (in Steuben County, New York), correcting the spelling to Town Line Church and Cemetery (as may be seen by the sign over the doors in the photo at top right of the article). However, I have no idea how to change (or request a change) in the entry title itself... so it's still listed under Town Linke Church. It's also listed with this incorrect spelling in the roster of National Register sites in new York. Can someone please advise me what would be the best way to proceed? Kirk House, Director, Steuben County Historical Society — Preceding unsigned comment added by Kirkwhouse (talk • contribs) 15:54, 17 October 2014 (UTC)
The move was "Done User:PrimeHunter has moved the page to the correct title.ukexpat

(talk) 16:52, 17 October", but the NRIS info is still incorrect. --doncram 21:49, 11 May 2016 (UTC)[reply]

Demolished but still listed[edit]

  • Tappan Zee Playhouse in Nyack, New York. Demolished ~ 5 or so years ago. Now in construction to be a market with subsidised apartments above it. That said, as I told Daniel Case when he mentioned it to me some months ago re: photos, I may have an old one. Grew up in the area. TravellingCari 04:10, 24 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
oops, my mistake above about which county it is in, now corrected. doncram (talk) 16:41, 31 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
  • Polaski King House, 2270 Valley Drive, Syracuse, NY. Couldn't locate when visiting to take photos, and doesn't show on the Onondaga County tax rolls. Lvklock (talk) 02:20, 7 January 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Kelsey-Davey Farm, on Old Seneca Turnpike in the town of Skaneateles, New York, was listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1980. It was a farmhouse with Federal or Federal vernacular style; the application suggests that the owner wished for it to be preserved by listing it on the NRHP, but in 2009, the farmhouse is no longer there. One or more old barns exist on the property which may have been contributing structures. A house built since 1980 is there, located perhaps just south of the old farmhouse. doncram (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Update: In march 2012 an editor identifying self as owner asserted that the building exists, and commented at wt:NRHP, and asked for help uploading pics. Apparently the NRHP coords had led me astray to think a different property is the listed one. I did ask around at two nearby houses in 2009, looking for it, no one could identify the NRHP listed one. I still can't tell from Google maps or any other way, to find out which is the listed property. The coords in the current article point to the incorrect place. --doncram 00:54, 29 December 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Henrick Winegar House, in Amenia Union, Dutchess County. No house in that area (not that there are many) matches the appearance, even remotely, of the one in the photo. It was in rather decrepit condition when listed in the 1970s, over two centuries old and rather neglected, so I wouldn't be surprised if it has been demolished or burned since then. Daniel Case (talk) 15:04, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

New York/New Jersey state location issue[edit]

This may not be any error. But, the NRIS / Elkman system indicates both:

Is one of these an error?

There's some kind of error here. According to the USGS GNIS database, there is no Waldwick, NY. Both listings are coded as "listed" in the raw NPS NRIS database and they have different reference numbers. But both have the same address and are identified as being part of the "Stone Houses of Bergen County TR" multiple listing (Waldwick, NJ is in Bergen County). Perhaps there's an Albert Smith House listed on the NRHP somewhere in New York, but it seems doubtful since the New York Historic Preservation Office doesn't seem to have a record of it. --sanfranman59 (talk) 03:03, 6 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Article now at Albert Smith House (Waldwick, New Jersey), as there's a Utah one too. The NRIS gives this as being located in both Bergen County, New Jersey and Allegany County, New York. Yeah, there is no way this is a property that spans borders, as National Register of Historic Places listings in Bergen County, New Jersey is far away from National Register of Historic Places listings in Allegany County, New York. And Waldwick is a borough not on the border, and the coords place inside the county. Seems like, flat out, an error in NRIS's records to give a secondary location for this one. --doncram (talk) 03:00, 16 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

County location issue[edit]

  • Nash (harbor tug) is located in the city of Oswego, in Oswego County, New York, but it is listed in NRIS as being in Buffalo, New York. Presumably it was stationed in Buffalo and moved. doncram (talk) 00:34, 8 August 2009 (UTC)[reply]


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  • Kreischer House, at 4500 Arthur Kill Rd. in Staten Island (Richmond County), but misidentified in NRIS as being in New York, NY, in New York County. It should be shown in Richmond County. doncram (talk) 18:38, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Stuckman Cottage and Hill Cottage are listed under Franklin County, New York, but both are in fact in North Elba, New York in Essex County. In each case, the county was misidentified in the Registration Form, but a look at the maps submitted as part of the application makes clear the correct county (though on the earlier maps in each case, someone erroneously typed "Franklin County" at the top of the page-- the later maps show the true situation). See Stuckman and Hill at the OPRHP. -- Mwanner | Talk 15:01, 21 September 2008 (UTC).[reply]
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Since this issue was raised, National Register of Historic Places listings in Westchester County, New York has been split, so Execution Rocks should be moved to National Register of Historic Places listings in southern Westchester County, New York. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 12:14, 26 July 2013 (UTC)[reply]
  • Taconic State Parkway is listed for Columbia County, when in fact almost the entire road is included. I have manually added it to the Dutchess, Putnam and Westchester lists as well. Daniel Case (talk) 14:22, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Town location issue[edit]

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This confusion regarding Ulster's least populous and least accessible town is common. The family name of the original patent owners was spelled with an "e"; the town uses the "u", probably because these things always got confused. Daniel Case (talk) 14:28, 7 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Christ Church is shown in Monroe, New York. Monroe is the county name, it's actually in Rochester. Also, it's listed at 141 E. Ave. which is correct, strictly speaking. However there is also an "E" Avenue in the vicinity, so I suggest we spell out "141 East Ave", which I have done on the Listings page. . . . . Jim . . . . Jameslwoodward (talk • contribs) 15:49, 22 December 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, okay, Jameslwoodward already noted the problem. I was sorting it out as follows: There was a "Christ Church (Monroe, New York)" entry in the Elkman NRIS-based list-table. LtPowers commented "Monroe is not a neighborhood in Rochester. It is a town and village downstate in Orange County. However, we can't discount the possibility that a listing for an historic building in Monroe County was misfiled as being in the town or village of Monroe. Powers T 02:57, 15 November 2008 (UTC)[reply]
My comment was "Thanks for reply, that was regarding the following note which was in the article (and which I just removed): The place is the Christ Church (Rochester, New York). It appears there was a typo in the National Register's NRIS database entry, recording this as town=Monroe and town=Rochester when it should have been just Rochester, which is in Monroe County. The NRHP document showed location as "Rochester, Monroe County" which was misinterpreted to be a list of two towns that the place is in (when in fact it is just in Rochester)."
Anyhow, NRIS (and the NYS system) shows "Monroe" incorrectly in the town/city field, whether or not it made duplicate entries for two towns, it actually is in just one, Rochester. --doncram (talk) 16:55, 14 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
For the record, it's "Avenue E", not "E Avenue", which most people would interpret as "East Avenue". That said, abbreviating "East" when that's the name of the road and not just a direction is probably unnecessary. Powers T 14:26, 21 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Street addresses[edit]

  • St. Cecilia's Church and Convent (New York City) listed in NRIS on 160th Street in New York, but its coordinates place it on 106th Street. Assuming that 160th is an error, it is echoed on many websites that utilize NRIS data. doncram (talk) 19:17, 23 August 2008 (UTC)[reply]
    • The church's website states that it's on 106th. Nyttend (talk) 21:55, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
      • Thanks for finding that. I think i had searched for such a website but was not able to find it. Also, I think the NYS system which provides PDFs of NRHP application text/photos docs was down for a while, back then, and/or i did not know how to use it then. I was able to add link to PDF for this site, to its article, just now, which also verifies that the correct address is on 106th Street. Thanks! doncram (talk) 23:08, 4 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Community Place, in Skaneateles, New York built in 1830, NRHP-listed in 1979. It is located south of Skaneateles Falls on Sheldon Rd. It is located south of Skaneateles Falls, New York, at 680 Sheldon Road, while 725 Sheldon Road, a quarter mile or so away, is what is reported in NRIS. The 725 Sheldon Road address was the home of the former owner of Community Place, according to people now living at 725. The 1978 NRHP document showing the incorrect address is here, in the NYSOPRHP system. Have photos of mailboxes showing house numbers of both of them. doncram (talk) 17:34, 27 September 2009 (UTC)[reply]
  • Sennett Federated Church and Parsonage is located at 7777 Weedsport-Sennett Rd., Sennett, New York, as appears in the NRHP nomination document and verified in person. The parsonage is 7771. NRIS shows: 777 Weedsport-Sennett Road; correct to 7777 Weedsport-Sennett Rd. doncram (talk) 23:13, 16 January 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lewis Mumford House is listed as being at 187 Leedsville Road in Amenia. However, since the 1999 listing the street has been renumbered (perhaps for 9-1-1) and no house exists at that number. I can't remember what the current house number is. Daniel Case (talk) 15:01, 13 May 2010 (UTC)[reply]
  • Tuthill-Green House, refnum 95000066, is located per NRIS at 52 S. Main St. in Moravia, New York; however it is actually located at 59 S. Main St. The "59" can be seen in photo File:Tuthill-Green House, Moravia, United States Jul 15, 2022 08-42-16 AM.jpeg, which is house shown in NRHP document photos. The misidentification is not from NRIS data entry; the misidentification appears in the NRHP registration document. Perhaps the street was renumbered since the NRHP registration. It is located at exactly 42°42′23″N 76°25′16″W / 42.70644°N 76.42116°W / 42.70644; -76.42116 (Tuthill-Green House). The NRHP registration document is Richard Carlson (October 1994). "National Register of Historic Places Registration: Tuthill-Green House". NARA. Retrieved 2009-11-10. and includes three photos from 1994. This was confusing partly as the house actually at 52 S. Main St. is a historic house with signage. --Doncram (talk) 02:49, 19 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Architect-builder-engineer issues[edit]

  • The Niagara, 201 Rainbow Blvd., Niagara Falls, New York is credited in NRIS to "Esenwein and Johnson of Buffalo, NY" which is not the firm's name; it should be credited to "Esenwein & Johnson" as are 5 other NRHP listings in New York, Massachusetts, and elsewhere. See wikipedia article Esenwein & Johnson. --doncram 05:12, 28 September 2012 (UTC)[reply]
Editor cbl62 noted, about fort stanwix: "only evidence available shows that NPS "built" reproduction of Rev War for in 1970s; that sturcture not listed; and no evidence of any involvement by NPS architects"
So this would seem to be an error in NRIS, that NPS is identified as architect/builder/engineer. --doncram 17:54, 17 October 2012 on (UTC)
NRHP inventory/nomination document for Fort Stanwix, with correspondence, does seem to clarify that there is a maintenance building but no NPS-designed or other structures worth designation there, and that the fort is a 1970s reconstruction, and that the NRHP listing is as a place or site, not at all for any archeological site aspects or any other traditional NRHP-eligible artifacts. This is an unusual case, IMHO. It seems that NPS should not be noted as architect/builder/engineer. --doncram 18:15, 17 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]

Ridgway vs. Ridgeway[edit]

Robert Ridgway (engineer) is credited in NRIS with one work and a mispelled version of his name as "Robert Ridgeway" is credited with more. Perhaps all from one MPS study. Items include:

Listing status[edit]

  • Ontario and Livingston Mutual Insurance Office: The National Register of Historic Places' NRIS database gives listing code "DR" on October 9, 2008. "DR" designates "DATE RECEIVED/PENDING NOMINATION". So it is not clear whether, or when, the property has been listed on the National Register. --doncram (talk) 17:04, 4 March 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates issues[edit]

  • An example of a potential coordinates merger error, or perhaps just a regular NRIS data entry error, is US Customhouse in New York City which appears to have gotten the coords for another US Customhouse in Niagara, NY. --Doncram
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  • Another Town of Huntington issue; The Henry Williams House (Huntington, New York) is located at 43 Mill Lane, but the coordinates given (which I also removed) actually located it along West Neck Road next door to the United Methodist Church between Tanyard and Cider Mill Lanes. Also, Mill Lane in the Town of Huntington runs along the Halesite-Huntington CDP border, and this house is on the Halesite side. ---------User:DanTD (talk) 15:17, 1 August 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  1. ^ "National Register Information System". National Register of Historic Places. National Park Service. January 23, 2007.
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