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Document issues (text and photos)[edit]

  • The text and photos documents for the Julia Farnsworth House and Julia P.M. Farnsworth Barn are switched. Per NRIS version 2013a, the house has reference number 82004086, while the barn has 82004085. However the house's documents are stored at number ending with "5" (at Linda L. Bonar (September 21, 1978). "Utah State Historical Society Structure/Site Information: Julia Farnsworth House". National Park Service. Retrieved July 31, 2019. With accompanying photo from 1981 ), while the barn's documents are stored with "6" (at Linda L. Bonar (October 4, 1978). "Utah State Historical Society Structure/Site Information: Julia P.M. Farnsworth Barn". National Park Service. Retrieved July 31, 2019. With accompanying photo from 1981 ). --Doncram (talk) 09:03, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Collection of Utah State docs in NPS's Warehouse District doc
This is not really a problem, in that there is nothing to fix. Hopefully the National Park Service will continue to make this big document collection available at its current location. That would best preserve links from numerous articles.
There is a collection of Utah State Historical Society documents (Structure/Site Information forms) available, for 24 historic sites in Salt Lake City, all in one 84 page PDF. The PDF is served up by the National Park Service at https://npgallery.nps.gov/NRHP/GetAsset/NRHP/82004149_text.
That is, however, the location where one would expect for a NRHP registration/nomination document for the original listing of the Warehouse District (Salt Lake City, Utah) (NRHP-listed August 17, 1982, reference number 82004149). (The Warehouse District was later greatly increased in size by a boundary increase listing on March 22, 2016, refnum=16000125.) Oddly, most or all of the sites covered in the collection are NOT in the original or later-expanded Warehouse District! Many are on Main Street (formerly East Temple St.), which is not at all in the Warehouse District. (This was pointed out to me by Tamanoeconomico. )
The sites covered, with various related notes, are:
  1. McIntyre Building (1908-09), Separately NRHP-listed in 1977.
  2. ZCMI Cast Iron Front Separately NRHP-listed. On Main St., not in Warehouse District.
  3. McCornick Building, also known as Crandall Building. McCornick Building was separately NRHP-listed in 1977.
  4. Daft Block, Daynes Jewelry Building. On Main St., not in WD, the Daft Block was separately NRHP-listed in 1976.
  5. Tracy Loan and Trust Company Building, separately NRHP-listed in 1978.
  6. First National Bank (Salt Lake City, Utah)
  7. Herald Building (1905) NRHP-listed in 1976
  8. Utah Savings and Trust Co. Building (1888), 235 So. Main St. (THIS IS NOT the Utah Commercial and Savings Bank Building separately listed in 1975.) Seems NOT nrhp-listed.
  9. Karrick Block, designed by Richard Kletting, NRHP-listed
  10. Lollin Block (1894), designed by Richard Kletting, NRHP-listed  Done
  11. Keith–O'Brien Building (or Keith O'Brien Building ?) (1902), designed by Frederick Albert Hale, NRHP-listed in 1977
  12. Oregon Shortline Railroad Company Bldg./Salt Lake High School Armory Bldg./Western Newspaper Union Bldg. (1897-98) Oregon Shortline Railroad Company Building, separately NRHP-listed in 1976.
  13. Independent Order of Odd Fellows Hall, 41 Post Office Place per this (moved in 2009 per its article), NRHP-listed in 1977.
  14. New York Hotel (1906), 42 Post Office Place, NRHP-listed in 1980
  15. Utah Commercial and Savings Bank, 20 E. 100 South, Richard Kletting, NRHP-listed in 1975
  16. J. A. Fritsch Block/Guthrie Cyclery (1890), 158 East 200 South, Richardsonian Romanesque, NRHP-listed in 1976
  17. Orpheum/Capitol Theatre (1912-13), 46 West 200 South, NRHP-listed in 1976
  18. Bertolini Block, NRHP-listed in 1976
  19. J. G. McDonald Chocolate Company Bldg (1901), NRHP-listed in 1978
  20. Peery Hotel (1910), NRHP-listed in 1978
  21. Salt Lake Union Pacific Railroad Station (article at Salt Lake City Union Pacific Depot (1908-09), NRHP-listed
  22. Denver and Rio Grande Railroad Station (article at Denver and Rio Grande Western Depot (Salt Lake City), NRHP-listed
  23. Hogar Hotel/Lewis S. Hills Residence Hogar Hotel Lewis S. Hills Residence Lewis S. Hills House (article at Lewis S. Hills House (126 S. 200 West), NRHP-listed
  24. Salt Lake City Public Library (Hansen Planetarium) Salt Lake City Public Library Hansen Planetarium (article at Old Hansen Planetarium, NRHP-listed
Note for many/most of these there is a regular NRHP document available which has content often overlapping, and not independent of, the Utah State forms. But it seems useful to refer to the (presumably older) Utah State forms, too.
See also Talk:National Register of Historic Places listings in Salt Lake City which includes more, including about referencing the collection of documents or individual documents therein.
--Doncram (talk) 17:30, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Photos miss-filed under [[Great Basin Research Station Historic District's reference number, accompanying three photos from 1993 are photos, instead, of Rock Island Depot in Grandfield, Oklahoma. Expected location for photos to accompany the Rock Island Depot's nomination has no file. Where are photos for Great Basin> --Doncram (talk) 14:49, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Listing date[edit]

Property names[edit]

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Arvondor Apartments, Ladywood Apartments, and U.S. Forest Service Building are all located in Ogden, Utah, but the NRIS lists all of them in Odgen, Utah. Nyttend (talk) 14:51, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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  • Anders Hintze House is listed in NRIS2010a as "Hintze-Anders House", by an apparent typo in data entry. The Utah historical form reflects some confusion in handmarking upon it, but its typed name is clear and it was built by Anders Hintze. --Doncram (talk) 01:25, 14 March 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Brady-Brady House seems miss-named, why not just "Brady House". Sure there was one Brady couple who lived there then it was occupied by another, i think a son plus his wife. But lots of NRHP-listed historic houses are that way. The NRHP document ( Beatrice Lufkin (September 23, 2004). "National Register of Historic Places Registration: Brady/Brady House". National Park Service. Retrieved October 20, 2019. With accompanying three photos from 2004 ) does seem to consistently call it the "Brady/Brady House", which Wikipedia editors implement as "Brady-Brady House" (note article titles cannot include slash marks, we do this for all cases where name given has a slash). What is it called locally, and by the Utah SHPO? It just seems bizarre. The NRHP document is authored by a consultant named Beatrice Lufkin; I don't know if she authored other nominations but I haven't seen her name yet in others (hmm, searching in Wikipedia on her name also brings up Stewart–Hills House, Sugar House Monument, and Manfred and Ethel Martin House currently). NRHP document gives her phone number as of 2004. --Doncram (talk) 19:32, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • John, Harriet, and Eliza Jennett Duncan House is named in NRIS in garbled way, maybe there it is merely "John Duncan Harriet", or at least that is the snippet interpreted for what NRIS2013a has, reflected in the Elkman NRHP infobox generator. The NRHP document title uses convoluted "Duncan, John, Harriet, and Eliza Jennett, House", which needs to be unraveled. It is a Duncan family house, built by Charles Duncan and Samuel Duncan. The body of the document uses " John, Harriet, and Eliza Jennett Duncan House" which is reasonable, seems best to be used in Wikipedia title, and the NRIS name should be fixed to that. --Doncram (talk) 00:31, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Demolished but still listed[edit]

NOTE: Strikeouts above indicate that NRIS was updated to remove them, with delisting dates given. User:Ntsimp put in effort to get that to happen. --Doncram (talk) 00:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

  • Logan High School Gymnasium is suggested in October 2019 to be "almost certainly gone" by User:Ntsimp, and browsing Google satellite and street views suggests it is not hidden anywhere in the current school complex, and further, Logan High School (Utah) article states "The old boys' gym was demolished in the summer of 1999 and a new gymnasium, lobby, and storage area was built in its place, opening during the 2000–2001 school year," without source, but that was probably it. :( --Doncram (talk) 00:26, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Benson Elementary School, at 3440 N. 3000 West in Benson, Utah, built in 1935, listed on the National Register of Historic Places in 1985, was demolished apparently. User:Ntsimp noted in its article: "Originally built as a local elementary school, in 1969 the building began to be used for the Cache Instructional Workshop, a vocational school for people with disabilities. Years later the program was moved, and the building was demolished sometime between 1993 and 2002." It would be nice to get a source about the demolition, but I gather that it surely is gone. --Doncram (talk) 00:34, 16 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Blue house in Park City at 245 Park Ave
Confusingly blue-colored house at 245 Park Ave. thought to be the Jacob F. Richardson House, was in fact a different house... its photo, at right, does not match photo accompanying the National Register nomination (actually a Utah State Historical Society form, Roger Roper (April 1984). "Utah State Historical Society Structure/Site Information: Jacob F. Richardson House". National Park Service. Retrieved October 17, 2019. With accompanying two photos from 1983 ). One issue is that it seems the NRIS database reports incorrectly the address as 245 Park Ave., while the document and accompanying photo's captions say it is at 205 Park Ave. Google Streetview dated June 2018 shows the blue house at 245, and shows a different, yellow house at 205. However the yellow house appears to be a modern replacement or expansion; the original small pyramid house seems to be gone. --Doncram (talk) 12:41, 17 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Jordan School District Administration Building, at 9361 S. 400 East in Sandy, Utah, NRHP-listed in 1985, appears no longer to exist. It is supposed to be on the southwest corner of a 22.26 acre property. (John McCormick (1984). "Utah State Historical Society Structure/Site Information: Jordan School District Administration Building". National Park Service. Retrieved October 18, 2019. With accompanying photo from 1984) The building may no longer exist. Looking at property at northeast corner of 9400 St. and S. 300 St. E. (i.e. the southwest corner of a property which spans over where E 400 st. would run) includes:
    • Google Streetview imagery dated June 2019 shows a new building under construction just to the east of an existing building, when accessed October 18, 2019. The existing building appears to be modern, seems not incorporating the historic building.
    • Further, Bing aerial view shows the pre-existing building there previously, which appears also not to be or incorporate the historic building, labelled as Canyons Student Support Center.
    • The same building viewed in Google Satellite view is labelled Canyons School District Administrative Office.

--Doncram (talk) 00:43, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

The barn was moved previously in its history to this location. Could it have been dissassembled and moved? --Doncram (talk) 03:36, 19 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Street address issues[edit]

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The correct address comes from the nomination form, which is online at Focus. There is no Carter St. in Provo. Ntsimp (talk) 16:58, 27 April 2011 (UTC)[reply]
  • James P. and Lydia Strang House in Springville is identified in NRIS as having street address 306 S. 200 West. This is the address given on the nomination form, but it's in error, having been copied from the William and Ann Bringhurst House. The correct address is 293 E. 400 North, listed as the property owner's address on the form. The first photo at Focus shows that the house has the number 293 on the front, and the photos can be seen to match the appearance of the house at this address on Google Maps. Ntsimp (talk) 18:46, 12 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

I've just realized that I need to post a lot more here. I've been correcting many listings on the list articles without making any comment here. So I'll list them by county, with each wrong address and the corrected one. Sometimes streets have been named or coordinates renumbered, sometimes numbers just need correction, and sometimes the original address was just given as "off State Route N" when an actual address exists:.

Hopefully the large amount of data here isn't unwieldy; and hopefully the format isn't too weird to use. Ntsimp (talk) 22:17, 13 December 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Town location issues[edit]

Town and/or county location[edit]

Ntsimp (talk) 14:57, 4 May 2011 (UTC)[reply]

Rainbow Point Comfort Station and Overlook Shelter is exactly the same story. Listed in Garfield County, but really should be Kane County, even according to the form. Ntsimp (talk) 14:54, 5 October 2012 (UTC)[reply]
  • Summit Stake Tabernacle, also known as the Coalville Tabernacle, is a former building, apparently demolished in 1971, that apparently was listed on the National Register of Historic Places and later removed from NRHP listing. NRIS info lists the building's address as Summit Stake Tabernacle, 1st North and Main Sts., in Salt Lake City, UT, within Salt Lake County, but it seems to have been at 1st North and Main Sts. in Coalville, in Summit County, instead. --doncram 17:24, 13 June 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Architect, builder, engineer issues[edit]

  • Oquirrh School's architect? This edit with summary "Removed Oquirrh School from list of buildings designed by Kletting. Oquirrh School was apparently designed by William Carroll (Salt Lake Herald, 10-28-1892, p. 8)", indicates that the NRIS assertion of Richard Kletting being architect is wrong. Noting uncertainty also at Talk:Oquirrh School. The NRHP document is not available online, AFAICT. --Doncram (talk) 06:40, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, that it was designed by Pope & Burton is confirmed by "Utah's Historic Architecture". p. 66.. --Doncram (talk) 06:37, 28 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Architectural style issues[edit]

Er, hmm, the document does list "Victorian Eclectic". That may be interpreted as secondary, IMO, perhaps describing the trim. The substantial style of the house, i.e. the mansard roof, is Second Empire. --Doncram (talk) 22:09, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Lauritz Smith House is asserted in NRIS to have Colonial Revival architecture. That is not supported in its NRHP nomination, and it is not obviously of that type overall. Perhaps it has a detail or two arguably of that type, but even that is not asserted in its nomination. --Doncram (talk) 19:09, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Coordinates issues[edit]

  • Glen M. and Roxie Walbeck House in Draper, Utah has coords of
    2127537610 ° 30 ′ 742170348748850 ″ N 1799742532 ° 58 ′ 30691836297216000 ″ W; over two billion degrees north latitude, and I thought the bridge on the Equator was unrealistic! Nyttend (talk) 18:20, 5 March 2009 (UTC)[reply]
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