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Korean peace treaty

Who is North Korea technically at war with? I am guessing South Korea and the USA, but also some other countries? Japan? The whole of NATO? I am asking because I am wondering how many nations would come to the table to sign the peace treaty, if it ever happens. --Lgriot (talk) 08:19, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Since the Korean War was a UN mission, I guess they are technically at war with most of the world... at least the Korean Armistice Agreement was signed on behalf of the UN on one side, and North Korea + China on the other side. WegianWarrior (talk) 08:32, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

But the UN was conducting a "police action", right? I'm not sure any nation other than the south declared war on the north, though I don't know who else the north declared it on. —Akrabbim^talk 14:09, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

It seems to me - reading up on declarations of war after WW2 - that war was actually never formally declared by neither the North Koreans nor the South Koreans. The United Nations Security Council Resolution 82 and United Nations Security Council Resolution 83 on the other hand makes it clear that the Korean War was a Chapter VII operation - a "peace creating" as opposed to a "peace keeping" mission - so I guess the argument might be made that the UN declared war on North Korea (whom the UN considered to be the aggressive part in the conflict). WegianWarrior (talk) 14:50, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

There's a list of all the countries involved in the infobox at Korean War. Roger (Dodger67) (talk) 15:53, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Very strange, if WegianWarrior is right, China signed the Armistice on the side of N. Korea versus the UN, so it was technically in a conflict against the UN, of which it was a full member of the security council and in which it had right of veto! And if our infobox in the Korean War article is right, so was the Soviet Union. The definition of what is "the UN" continues to amaze me. --Lgriot (talk) 07:35, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

Actually, the "China" sitting on the security council was ROC, whereas it was PRC that participated in the conflict on the side of the North. PRC was only recognized as the representative of China by the UN in 1971. 129.178.88.81 (talk) 10:36, 16 October 2013 (UTC)

ROC being Taiwan, the last remnant of the former Nationalist Republic of China. Alansplodge (talk) 10:03, 18 October 2013 (UTC)

Irish surnames

Can someone list the most common Irish surnames? --not O'- surnames, please -- Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Top 50 according to http://www.genealogyforum.rootsweb.com/gfaol/surnames/Irish.htm

Boyle Brennan Brown Burke Burns Calhoun Callahan Campbell Carroll Clark(e) Collins Conley Conner Daugherty Duffy Dunn Farrell Ferguson / Fergusen Fitzgerald Flynn Gallagher Hays / Hayes Hughes Jackson Johnston Kelly Kennedy Lynch Martin McCarthy McDonald McGuire Moore Murphy Murray Nolan O'Brien O'Donnell O'Neal / O'Neil / O'Neill Quinn Reilly Ryan Smith Sullivan Sweeney Thompson Walsh White μηδείς (talk) 16:46, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Oh, thanks. Can you find something like that for names (female and male)? If not, it's ok. Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:50, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Top 100 Irish Boy Names from http://www.ireland-information.com/heraldichall/irishboysnames.htm
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1 Conor Concobhar Gaelic: 'hound lover' 2 Sean Se�n Hebrew: 'God has favoured' or Variants: Eoin, Seon, Shaun, Shawn, Shane 3 Jack Se�n A form of name John. Hebrew: 'God has favoured' or Variants: Eoin, Seon, Shaun, Shawn, Shane 4 James S�amus derived from Jacob 5 Adam Adhamh Gaelic: 'red earth' or 'ruddy', Hebrew: man 6 Michael Miche�l Hebrew: 'who is like God?', one of the archangels 7 David D�ivi, Daithi Hebrew: 'loved one' 8 Aaron �ron Biblical; 'high mountain' 9 Daniel Dain�al, Dainial Hebrew: 'God is my judge' 10 Dylan 11 Shane Se�n A form of Sean, popularised by Shane of'Neill, Ulster Chieftain, 1567 12 Cian Cian Gaelic: 'ancient', Cain, Kian and Kean are variants 13 Ryan Ryan Gaelic: 'little king' 14 Luke L�c�s Greek: 'of Luciana', popularised by Saint Luke 15 John Se�n Hebrew: 'God has favoured' or Variants: Eoin, Seon, Shaun, Shawn, Shane 16 Eoin Se�n, Iain An Irish form of the name John 17 Mark Marcas Mars: The Roman God of War 18 Patrick P�draig National name of Ireland, from Latin meaning 'noble', Latin word patricius indicates a member of the Patricians, Roman nobility. 19 Thomas Tom�s Aramaic: 'twin', one of the Apostles 20 Jordan Irish surname 21 Liam Liam Gaelic form of William 22 Jamie Variant form of James 23 Stephen Stiof�n, Steaf�n Greek: 'crown', Christin martyr 24 Matthew Matha, Maiti� Hebrew: 'God's present', one of the Apostles 25 Oisin �is�n Gaelic: deer, a legendary figure 26 Nathan 27 Robert Roibe�rd Germanic: 'fame bright' 28 Andrew Aindr�as, Aindrias Greek: 'manly', one ofthe Apostles 29 Darragh Gaelic: 'oak' 30 Ciaran Saint Ciaran 31 Joseph Seosamh, Iosaf Hebrew: 'God added', Satin Joseph 32 Dean 33 Kevin Caoimh�n Gaelic: 'comely birth', Saint Kevin founded Glendalough 618 ad 34 Evan 35 Jason Iasan Greek: 'healer', Argonaut leader 36 Brian Gaelic: 'hill' Brian Boru, High King of Ireland 1014 ad, Bryan and Bryant are variants. Surnames include O'Brien and O'Byrne. 37 Niall N�all Gaelic: 'cloud', Niall of the nine Hostages, founder of the O'Neill Gaelic dynasty, Scottish form is Neil 38 Ben Beircheart From Benjamin, Hebrew: ' southerner' 39 Paul P�l Latin paulus: 'little', Roman for Saul: 'asked for', an early Christin 40 Christopher Cr�ost�ir Greek: 'Christ bearing' 41 Eoghan Gaelic: 'well born', used as a form of Eugene and Owen 42 Cathal Gaelic: 'battle mighty' Cathal Crobhdhearg 'red hand' was king of Connaught 1224 ad, sometimes used for Charles 43 Ross Ros Gaelic: 'promontory', Ulster name 44 Joshua Biblical name 45 Ronan R�n�n Gaelic: 'little seal', Ronan was King of Leinster 46 Lee 47 Darren Gaelic: 'little great one' 48 Peter Peadar Aramaic: 'rock', name given to Saint Simon by Christ 49 Craig Gaelic words is 'carrig' meaning 'rock' 50 William Liam Germanic: 'will helmet' 51 Jake 52 Anthony Antaine, Antoine Roman name 53 Alan Ail�n Gaelic:' noble', Allan and Allen are variants 54 Colm Coilm, Columba Gaelic: 'dove' 55 Cormac Cormac Gaelic: 'raven' Surnames include McCormack and McCormick Cormac MacCuilleanan was king of Munster 56 Samuel Sorley Hebrew: 'name of God' 57 Alex Alastar Alexander, Greek: 'helper of man' 58 Gavin 59 Killian Cillian Gaelic: 'strife', Saint Killian 60 Kyle 61 Cillian Gaelic: 'strife', Saint Killian 62 Padraig Padraig National name of Ireland, from Latin meaning 'noble', Latin word patricius indicates a member of the Patricians, Roman nobility. 63 Richard Risteard Germainc: 'ruler hard' 64 Ian Ion Iain is the Scottish-Gaelic form of Eoin, and thus John 65 Martin M�irt�n Mars, Saint Martin of Tours 397 ad, was relative of St. Patrick 66 Rory Ruair�, Ruaraidh Gaelic: 'red, Rory O'Connor was High King of Ireland 1170 ad 67 Brandon Breandan Gaelic: 'prince', Saint Brendan of Birr, 571 ad 68 Alexander Alastar Alexander, Greek: 'helper of man' 69 Aidan Aodhan Gaelic: 'little fire', Saint Aidan 651 ad 70 Harry 71 Karl Germanic form of Charles 72 Gary A form of Gerald 73 Kieran Ciar�n Gaelic: little dark one', Saint Kieran 74 Keith Scottish placename 75 Benjamin Beircheart Hebrew: ' southerner' 76 Ethan 77 Leon 78 Philip Pilip Greek: 'lover of horses', Kings of Macedonia. Saint Philip was one of the Apostles. 79 Callum 80 Colin Coile�n Gaelic: 'cub'. Surname Collins 81 Edward Eamonn, Eadbhard Anglo-Saxon: 'rich guard' 82 Gerard Gear�rd Germainc: 'spear hard', Saint Gerald Majella 1755 ad 83 Scott 84 Brendan Brendan Breandan Gaelic: 'prince', Saint Brendan of Birr, 571 ad 85 Owen Eoghan Gaelic: 'well born', used as a form of Eugene 86 Dillon Ray of light, hope 87 Jonathan Ionat�n Hebrew: 'God's gift' 88 Sam Sorley Hebrew: 'name of God' 89 Barry Bearach, Barra Gaelic:' spearlike', Saint Barry 90 Eric Germanic 91 Shaun Se�n A form of John. Hebrew: 'God has favoured' or Variants: Eoin, Seon, Shawn, Shane 92 Daragh Gaelic: 'oak' 93 Donal D�nal Gaelic: 'world mighty'. Sometimes used for Daniel. SUrnames include O'Donnell and MacDonnells, MacDonalds 94 Diarmuid Diarmuid Gaelic 'envy free', form of Dermot. Legendary Irish hero who eloped with Grania, who was promised to Finn MacCool 95 Lorcan Lorc�n Gaelic: 'little fierce one', Saint Lorcan O'Toole 1180 ad 96 Tadhg Gaelic: 'poet', used as a form of Timothy 97 Cameron 98 Fionn Gaelic: 'fair' 99 Neil N�all Gaelic: 'cloud', Niall of the nine Hostages, founder of the O'Neill Gaelic dynasty, Scottish form is Neil 100 Reece

Holy ship! You are fast! Thaaaaank you so much! -- Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 16:57, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

That's spelt shit, FYI. μηδείς (talk)

Girl names, same source
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1 Chloe 2 Aoife Aoife Gaelic form of the name Eve. Aoife was a daughter of King Dermot of Leinster who married the Norman invader Strongbow. 3 Sarah Sorcha, Sive, Saraid Hebrew: 'princess' 4 Ciara Saint Ciara Saint, Tipperary, 679 a.d. 5 Niamh Gaelic: 'bright', Princess of the land of Promise who left with Ossian for the Otherworld 6 Emma Germanic: 'universal' 7 Rachel R�ich�al Hebrew: 'ewe' 8 Rebecca Hebrew 9 Lauren 10 Megan Welsh origin: strong 11 Amy 12 Laura Latin: 'laurel' 13 Katie Catraoine Greek. Catherine and Kate are variants. 14 Emily Eimile Feminine form of Roman name Aemilius 15 Shauna Sh�una Feminine form of Sean/Shaun 16 Nicole Feminine form of Nicholas, Nicola is variant 17 Roisin R�is�n Gaelic: Rose, Rosaleen is a variant 18 Sophie Greek: 'wisdom', Sophia is variant 19 Kate Catraoine Greek. Catherine and Katie are variants. 20 Shannon Placename - the longest river in Ireland 21 Hannah Greek: 'he has favoured me'. A form of Anne. Johanna and Nora are variants 22 Caoimhe Gentle, graceful, beauty 23 Jessica 24 Ellen 25 Aisling Dream, vision 26 Sinead Sin�ad Gaelic form of Jane which is a feminine form of John. 27 Leah 28 Anna Greek: 'he has favoured me'. A form of Anne. Johanna and Nora are variants 29 Tara Teamhair Placename: the seat of the High Kings of Ireland 30 Grace Gr�inne Gaelic: 'grain goddess', from Gr�inne, Grania was Finn MacCools betrothed who elooped with Dermot. Grace O'Malley was an Irish warrior princess. 31 Saoirse Gaelic: Freedom 32 �ine Gaelic: 'joy'/'praise'. Often used for Anne. �ine was the queen of the South Munster Fairies. 33 Jennifer Cornish version of Guinevere menaing 'white wave'. Guinevere was King Arthur's wife. 34 Jade 35 Eimear Eimhear Emer was the wife of legendary Gaelic hero Cuchulainn. 36 Orla Orfhlaith Gaelic: 'golden lady'. Orlagh and Aurnia are variants. 37 Mary M�ire Hebrew: Miriam, Greek: Mariam, Latin: Maria. Maire, Marion, Marian, Molly, Mollie, Moira and Maura are among the variants. 38 Clodagh Placename: a County Tipperary river 39 Claire Cl�r Latin; 'bright', Saint Clare of Assissi 1253 ad. Clare is a variant. 40 Michelle French feminine form of the name Michael. Michele and Michaela are variants. 41 Caitlin Caitl�n Gaelic form of Catherine, Katelyn is a variant 42 Olivia Oilbhe/Ailbhe A form of the name Olive which is of Latin origin. Elva is a variant. 43 Lucy Feminine form of the Latin name Lucius. 44 Courtney 45 Louise Labhaoise Feminine form of the name Louis. Louisa is a variant. 46 Holly 47 Lisa From Elizabeth 48 Danielle Female form of Daniel 49 Grainne Gr�inne Gaelic: 'grain goddess', Grania was Finn MacCool's betrothed who elooped with Dermot. Grace is a variant. Grace O'Malley was an Irish warrior princess. 50 Kelly Ceallach Gaelic: 'strife. Widespread Irish surname. 51 Catherine Greek. Kate and Katie are variants. 52 Leanne 53 Ruth R�t Biblical name 54 Chelsea 55 Kayleigh Ceil� Gaelic: party, celebration 56 Fiona F�ona Gaelic: 'fionn', meaning 'fair'. 57 Elizabeth Eil�s Hebrew: 'my God is satisfaction'. Saint Elizabeth was mother of John the Baptist. Eliza, Liz, Elsie and Elsa are among the variants. 58 Alison Alls�n From the name Alice 59 Michaela A feminine form of the name michael. 60 Ava 61 Eva Aoife Latin form of the name Eve. Aoife was a daughter of King Dermot of Leinster who married the Norman invader Strongbow. 62 Robyn 63 Emer Eimhear Emer was the wife of legendary Gaelic hero Cuchulainn. 64 Molly Maili/Maille/Mailsi A form of the name Mary. 65 Maeve Meadhbh Gaelic: 'intoxicating one'. Maeve was a Queen of Connaught who invaded Ulster, defended by Cuchulainn. 66 Andrea Feminine form of Andrew. 67 Zoe 68 Aimee 69 Jane Sin�ad Gaelic feminine form of John. 70 Lauryn 71 Maria M�ire Hebrew: Miriam, Greek: Mariam, Latin: Maria. Mary, Maire, Marion, Marian, Molly, Mollie, Moira and Maura are among the variants. 72 Natasha Russian: 'christmas', a form of Natalie. 73 Rachael R�ich�al Hebrew 74 Nicola Feminine form of Nicholas, Nicole is variant 75 Sorcha Sorcha, Sive, Saraid Hebrew: 'princess' 76 Ella 77 Siobhan Siobh�n Gaelic form of Joan. Judith and Julia are variants. 78 Stephanie A female form of Stephen 79 Abbie Abaigeal From Abigail meaning 'father rejoiced' 80 Alannah Aleanbh Gaelic 'a leanbh': 'O child'. Alana is a variant 81 Erin Gaelic word for Ireland. 82 Katelyn Caitl�n Gaelic form of Catherine, Caitlin is a variant 83 Victoria Victeoiria Latin: 'victory' 8 Gemma Italian: 'gem'. Saint Gemma Galgani 1903. 85 Melissa Greek: 'bee'. 86 Eve �abhla Hebrew: 'lively'. 87 Allana Aleanbh Gaelic 'a leanbh': 'O child'. Alana is a 88 Alice Ail�s Germanic 'Adelaide': 'noble sort'. 89 Karen Danish form of Catherine 90 Clara 91 Alexandra Feminine form of Alexander, Greek: 'helper of man'. 92 Isobel Isib�al French forms of Elizabeth. Isabel and Isabella are variants. 93 Abigail Abaigeal From Abigail meaning 'father rejoiced' 94 Aishling Dream, vision 95 Lorna From the 1860 novel Lorna Doone. 96 Georgia Feminine form of George, Greek: 'farmer'. 97 Jodie 98 Margaret Mair�ad Greek: 'pearl', Saint Margaret 1093 ad. Peg, Peggy and Margot are variants. 99 Kathleen Caitl�n Gaelic form of Catherine, Caitlin is a variant 100 Alanna Aleanbh Gaelic 'a leanbh': 'O child'. Allana is a

The above lists are easier to read if you open up a page to edit them. I am not going to attempt to properly format that many listings. μηδείς (talk) 16:58, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Yes, I know. Thanks :D Miss Bono ^{[hello, hello!]} 17:00, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

When did the horses were observed in India first?

Few believe that horses were first used in India by Alexendra the great during his invasion and his victory over Porus only on account of the use of horses. But, in Bhimbetka a place near Bhopal, UNESCO certified a sight where we can see some arts where one man is sitting over a horse during hunting. The sight is declared as 10000 years date back. Then, what is the actual fact about the presence of horses? Are the horses originated from India as well or brought from Europe?Upmanaveen (talk) 19:22, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

See Bhimbetka rock shelters. The age of the numerous rock paintings varies greatly, from perhaps 30,000 years old to no more than a couple of centuries old. The Indira Gandhi National Centre for the Arts's website displays a number of rock paintings here, but the ones depicting horses all either from the Early Historic Period or Iron Age or at most perhaps very late Bronze Age. (Admittedly, some captions have no information on the artwork's age). We also have an article on History of the horse in South Asia. There's quite a bit of uncertainty, but I don't see any serious claims referring to 10,000 years ago. ---Sluzzelin talk 19:39, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

You may find Wikipedia's article on Evolution of the horse helpful. Given that what we think of as modern day "horses" existed in a very different way more than 5,000 years ago I don't doubt that the man is sitting on what he used as a "horse" at that time, but the animal has died out and been re-introduced many times in several parts of the world with specific species evolving and even pushing out/breeding out others. ^{Market St.⧏} _{⧐ Diamond Way} 19:45, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

• Alexander is far too late. The Proto-Indo-Europeans domesticated the horse (domestication of the horse) and it was the Indo-Aryan peoples who brought the horse to India. μηδείς (talk) 21:28, 15 October 2013 (UTC)

Upmanaveen -- The systematic use of horses was presumably introduced into India by charioteers from Central Asia (possibly the Bactria-Margiana Archaeological Complex); the early Vedas describe a pastoral horse-using culture in the Punjab. Horses or equids may have been present in India before ca. 1500 B.C., but it would seem unlikely that they were tamed and ridden in any systematic way... AnonMoos (talk) 02:55, 16 October 2013 (UTC)