User talk:Gavin.collins/Archive 10

Some help

Hi Gavin, Was wondering if you can give me some explanation in regard to an accounting concept I am trying to get my head around since you are constantly updating that page. I am learning at school that sales can be made on both cash and credit, with credit being the most dominant form. Does cash sales include credit card sales? I am always confused about credit being the dominant form because I have not seen too many people buy goods and then pay later - credit, sign the invoice they check your history etc. Is this sort of credit sales something like nothing to pay until 2011, no interest etc. commercials I have seen on TV or something else? I asked my classmate and he told me that credit sales are normally made between businesses and not us ordinary consumers. Say for example a steel manufacturer seels its goods to a chair manufacturer - this would be a credit sale. Hopefully you can help me or guide me onto some websites because I am a tad confused about this basic topic. Thanks U8701 (talk) 02:21, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Hi U8701,

From the perspective of the seller, credit card sales are indeed a form of credit sale, because they don't get their cash imediately - they usually have to wait a short time before the credit card company remits the cash (less credit card fee) to them. The only difference between "credit card sales" and "credit sales" is that the credit card company pays the seller quickly because it takes on the the risk of bad debts, as it is acting as lender to the people who buy goods and then pay later.
Before the age of credit cards, most sellers (even small grocery stores) offered credit directly to their customers and had to take on the risk of bad debt themselves. Nowadays, only wholesalers and larger businesses offer credit directly to their customers, but they have try to mitigate the risk of bad debt by offering credit on legally enforceable credit terms, by paying for credit rating checks, by getting references from their customers, or even taking out insurance against non-payment. Have a look at this slide show for more details of the accounting relating to credit sales. I hope this helps. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 09:22, 3 November 2009 (UTC)

Amused.

I'm always amused when I agree strongly with something you say. Just feels odd :-) Best of luck to you! Hobit (talk) 06:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Now you have turned from poacher to gamekeeper, you will find yourself agreeing with me more and more. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 11:36, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

:-) I'd say you've changed a fair bit too. Thanks! Hobit (talk) 13:11, 6 November 2009 (UTC)

Bibliography page guideline proposal

Hi Gavin,

As you have been involved in the previous discussions about bibliography pages, I thought you should be notified about a formal proposal here. Any constructive contributions would be welcome.

Happy editing,

Neelix (talk) 20:08, 9 November 2009 (UTC)

Notability RfC

Hi Gavin, please see my recent restoration of the consensus-supported version of WP:N. Regarding the recent discussion at WT:N, I agree that some sort of RfC is needed in order to establish a consensus regarding the information discussed. Would you be interested in setting it up? If so, how would you like it to be framed? Also crossposted at FT2's, Hiding's, and Masem's talk pages. ThemFromSpace 18:32, 13 November 2009 (UTC)

Done --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 00:26, 14 November 2009 (UTC)

Ncircle deletion review

Since you were active on the Ncircle page deletion, you might be interested in a speedy delete review of more Ncircle pages created by that same (now banned) user: [1] Sfba (talk) 05:51, 18 November 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for notifying me. I made a recomendation to delete at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim D. Keanini and Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Tim D. Keanini. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 12:35, 27 November 2009 (UTC)

Accounting model creates value

Thank you very much for the reference. I responded on my talk page.

PennySeven (talk) 13:47, 26 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for your thoughtful comments. I responded on my talk page.

PennySeven (talk) 12:56, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Thank you very much for attempting to understand what I am trying to do. Unfortunately I was not able to explain financial capital maintenance in units of constant purchasing power as authorized by the IASB in the Framework, Par. 104 (a) in 1989 to you.

Thank you for your help.

PennySeven (talk) 17:37, 28 November 2009 (UTC)

Wikiquette

I have filed a wikiquette report against you. Since you can not restrain yourself to post comments within the bounds of policy, I will use guidance to resolve the issue one way or another. As you have rejected every call for mediation, that leaves us with RFC's and arbitration. Best regards, Hiding T 16:32, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Here. Tan | 39 16:36, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

In answer to Hiding, if I have annoyed you, then please accept my wholehearted applogy. I am a reasonable editor, and if you come to my talk page with a grievance, I am always happy to set matters to right. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 17:19, 7 December 2009 (UTC)

Matter closed. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 22:59, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Gavin, you have yet to strike every instance of stating I had not done something I patently had. Perhaps in this spirit of being "happy to set matters to right", you will amend all those statements and admit your error. Hiding T 23:01, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

You will have to give me a clue as to what you are refering to in the first instance. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 23:03, 8 December 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia talk:Notability/Archive 37. You could also correct the misleading RFC you have called at Wikipedia talk:Notability in the spirit of being "happy to set matters to right". Hiding T 00:04, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

You will have to give me more specifics of what you are refering to, as Archive 37 is quite large. Is there a particular edit you can steer me to and explain what the problems is? --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 08:57, 9 December 2009 (UTC)

There's so many incidentson that page it would be rather tiresome to list them all. Maybe, in a demonstration of the spirit of being "happy to set matters to right", you'll show willing in identifying them. If not, we'll be aware of how dedicated you are to doing the right thing. Hiding T 14:44, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

• I notice you haven't apologised for or retracted your disingenuous RFC at Wikipedia talk:Notability#RFC: Self promotion and indiscriminate publicity either, after my polite request above. Are you serious about being "happy to set matters to right"? Hiding T 14:46, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I am not going to play games with you, Hiding. You are going back up your complaints with details of the specific edits in support of your accusations. I can't guess what you mean, and I can't respond to vague and generalised accusations which may or may not be justified. If you have a complaint, meet me half way, make it explicit and spell it out. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 14:58, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Not playing games. That you have failed to click the link and read my complaint is hardly my problem. This situation is now untenable. Hiding T 15:41, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Forgive me Hiding, but I am still not getting it. In what sense is the RFC disingenuous, and to whom? --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 16:02, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

I'm confused too. You've announced this prominently on the RfC and added what appear to be non-sensical replies to participants in the discussion stating the RfC is "disingenuous". What do you mean? Protonk (talk) 21:33, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Some serious advice and warning

Gavin, Please listen. You made a bad call proposing a merger between a long article and a long sub article believing it to be a POV fork. That it was a bad call should be clear to you now from the responses (I think 12-1 against last time I looked even though the article is contraversial and there are plenty of editors who disagree with each other on principle, they all united to disagree with you), even if you haven't got the logic. You are upset that the proposal was not taken seriously enough and that someone dismissed it out of hand and removed the tag at about 4-0 against I think under WP:SNOW. These are normal human reactions. Instead though, when you reflect your mindset should be apologetic for wasting editor time and also for disrupting the actual encyclopaedic content by the inclusion of an inappropriate tag in article space. You need to drop the outrage. In my view seeking mediation on this issue with the person who removed the tag amounts to disruptive wikidrama. Personally, I am quite prepared to block you for disruptive wikidrama because it distracts from things which matter. However I am prepared to discuss the issue with you personally some more if you like (here, I will watch your page although I am busy so perhaps only daily) and try to explain further anything which is unclear to you. If you feel this (friendly I hope) block warning is inappropriate you are welcome to take it to AN/I, clearly personally I could not block you for that but I cannot guarantee that another admin won't decide that continuing in that vein is also disruptive wikidrama and block you. Please do not take this the wrong way. I have been in a position of righteous indignation too and feeling disrepected is not pleasant. I am sure you are a well intentioned and reasonable kind of person, probably much like me. But please take time to reflect --BozMo talk 09:31, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

As I have explained William M. Connolley, I would prefer to treat the process of RFC seperate from the issues which RFC address seperate. We have ample time to discuss the merger and its merits (or lack of), but in the meantime, I would very much like to see the merger templates restored for the duration of the RFC. I think this is a reasonable request. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 09:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

As a (hopefully) friendly FYI, my initial reaction to the merger proposal was that you had not actually read the climate change article, and I was utterly baffled as to why you were proposing a merger in an RfC... a better and less-time-consuming-and-less-dramatic way to do it in the future would be through a standard "merge" tagging. I understand that you would like to treat the process separately from the content, but at least in my point of view you sort of jumped the gun on the RfC process, which is typically used to resolve stalemated debates. I don't mean to sound harsh: we all do slip up and wiki-rules are many and convoluted. But if you indeed haven't read the climate change and global warming articles, it might be a good time to skim them in order to have that in the back of your mind while discussing future changes. Thank you, Awickert (talk) 08:17, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Regarding your statement at Eusebeus' talk page

Regarding this edit, [2], perhaps you could explain why you have failed to assume good faith regarding my edits, and why you have disregarded the notion of collegiate and collaborative editing, and instead decided to make accusations? As to my intentions, they are to collaborate and reach consensus, per policy. Hiding T 15:39, 11 December 2009 (UTC)

Hiding, I spoke honestly to you. The problem, as I see it, is that it is not clear to me why you effectively you have watered down the guideline, or at least, that is how I perceive your involvement. I admit assuming bad faith on my part, and the reason is I don't understand how the changes you have made to WP:FICT improve the guideline in any way I don't see them as having any consistency with existing policies and guidelines, and I perceive your actions as an attempt to construct an exemption for fictional topics from article inclusion criteria based on notability as set out in WP:GNG. I appologise wholeheartedly for my weakness, and my lack of good faith, and if there is anything I can do to make amends, let me know.
I have said this before, and I say it again: where every you wish to depart from existing policies and guidelines, I would be greatful if would be explicit where these departures are being made, why you think they will be of benefit, and provide examples where ever possible to illustrate the principles you wish to include in guideline. I don't claim to have all the answers, but in my defence I am clear and I set out my stall for all to see and understand, and I wish other editors like yourself would do the same, rather than just rubbishing my views and proposals for what ever undeclared reason are motivating them to do so. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 21:55, 12 December 2009 (UTC)

Reply

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3RR

Please be aware of WP:3RR, which you are in danger of violating on Scientific opinion on climate change William M. Connolley (talk) 12:23, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

• I am aware, and I know you are too, so there is not point in the Pot calling the kettle black, if you see what you mean[3][4]. --Gavin Collins (talk|contribs) 12:26, 14 December 2009 (UTC)

Blocked

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The edit you made here, far from being supported by consensus at the talkpage, was rejected in the section Talk:Scientific opinion on climate change#What is to be done?. In accordance with Talk:Scientific opinion on climate change#Locked, I have blocked you for WP:edit warring for 24 hours. - 2/0 (cont.) 18:28, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

This user's unblock request has been reviewed by an administrator, who declined the request. Other administrators may also review this block, but should not override the decision without good reason (see the blocking policy).

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The block looks quite valid, there was strong opposition expressed to this edit but you went ahead anyway. I think you are not listening to other people, and will keep running into trouble until you start considering the possibility you might be in the wrong. BozMo talk 19:17, 19 December 2009 (UTC)

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