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Hindu jihad

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New article with major POV problems. Nothing but a biased rant against Hindus. Topic could be covered in other existing articles such as Terrorism in India etc. Dmol (talk) 07:22, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete I have launched a jihad on this article. failed to find reliable sources for this article. Narutolovehinata5 ^tccsdnew 10:19, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
  • Actually, what sources exist (such as Asthana's & Nirmal's Urban Terrorism : Myths And Realities for example) explain that you're mis-using the idea of jihad right here as much as it has been mis-used by others. Try having a Dharmayuddha instead. Uncle G (talk) 12:32, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Definitely delete. The very existence of this idea is contested. I failed to find reliable sources to support the definition of this dubious ideology. The term is used and understood by very few people, which means that it is not notable enough. TYelliot (talk) 10:35, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Speedy delete: WP:ATTACK, WP:OR, WP:NOTSOAPBOX, WP:NOTNEWS -- BenTels (talk) 11:42, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Speedy delete Per WP:NOTNEWS and WP:OR. Also seems to have some major POV issues. DARTH SIDIOUS 2 ^(Contact) 12:31, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete as soapboxing. Interestingly, there is a "Hindu Jihad' community hosted by Wikia - and founded today. It was started (and at this moment solely contributed to) by someone using the same username as the creator of this article. There are ghits for the term "Hindu jihad", and there are undoubtedly Hindu extremists, but this article would probably need totally rewriting to remove the inflammatory tone and unreferenced (and possibly suspect) claims in places. Peridon (talk) 12:38, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Speedy Delete giant biased rant about topics already covered well by pages like Saffron terror, Religious violence in India, and Hindu nationalism.Pectore^talk 16:46, 3 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete per WP:SOAPBOX Totnesmartin (talk) 18:20, 3 October 2010 (UTC)

Article hindu jihad is changed

• Hai i created this article hindu jihad, A word hindu jihad is refer to struggle, striving or dharma(sanskrit). I accept i enter some mismatching data's in topic hindu jihad. Please see the article history, on 4th octobar, i changed total irrelavant matter in this articles.

• What i was enter before that data's are related to "hindu jihad attacks", soon i will create new page for older data's. I giving some answers to users who enter a commons about this article.

• Dmol - he said this topic is covered under terrorism in india and it will hurt hindus. ANS : I accept my mistake dmol, i changed total data's and now it will not hurt hindus.

• Uncle G - he jovially commanded about topic. TYelliot - he said their is no reliable source about data,s. ANS: now i have given all the data's.

• Peridon, Pectore - they suggested topic name should be hindu extremist not hindu jihad, now i changed the data's. sorry to say that, i enter data's of other topic like hindu jihad attacks. Once again i am saying that please see the revised hindu jihad edition. mohasik(talk) 10:16, 4 October 2010 (UTC) - This comment was added by 94.57.172.139 (talk · contribs), not mohasik, who is a banned user.

Note: Mohasik isn't banned but blocked as sock of User:Asik5678. If the Ip says they created the article and sign as Mohasik, they rather evaded a block.--Tikiwont (talk) 17:46, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

• Comment It's just become am essay. A lot of religions start with 'slay the unbeliever' clauses built in. Some of them grow up out of it. In the others, most of the adherents do, but some become extremists. This is a problem with having 'holy books'. Peridon (talk) 11:15, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This debate has been included in the list of Hinduism-related deletion discussions. -- • Gene93k (talk) 23:18, 4 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: The article under discussion here has been flagged for {{rescue}} by the Article Rescue Squadron, with no explanation as to why this article should be rescued and how that could happen (per ARS instructions). SnottyWong ^confer 00:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Note: This article has been nominated for rescue. 94.58.82.131 (talk) 05:49, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

• REASON FOR RESCUE: ARTICLE IRRELAVANT DATA'S CHANGED ON OCT 04
• keep: its a old concept, this AFD is implied on this article for before OCT 04. After than total irrelavent data'd are removed. now it has relavent sources--94.58.82.131 (talk) 11:29, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Delete: The improvements don't solve the problem. References #1 and 13 are forums. #2, #4, 10, 11, 12 and 14 are blogs/self-published sites. #6 is a video uploading site, with no mention of this topic (even if the right video is found, it would probably still not be a valid reference for copyvio and/or reliability concerns). #3, 5, 8, 9, 10 are all direct references to the Bhagavad Gita, which is a primary source at best--any application of jihad to those texts would be an act of OR. Thus, not a single one of those "references" meets the requirements of WP:RS. If you are considered continuing to work on this article (either before deletion or after in your userspace), I strongly encourage you to read the policy on reliable sources and the policy on original research.
• Comment - 94.58.82.131 (talk · contribs) has been doing some light but inappropriate canvassing with respect to this AfD. Check their contributions for details. SnottyWong ^soliloquize 14:45, 5 October 2010 (UTC)
• Needs work Some of this is personal opinions. I did some editing [1] to remove things that don't belong. Please read the edit summaries if you disagree. Google news search didn't find many references to the term, Google books showed a few more. What is the term used in India for this sort of thing? Listing the scriptures in the Hindu religion about such a thing, is fine for the article. Listing historical battles or attacks based on the concept might be appropriate as well. Dream Focus 17:21, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

The original article had more information that would be suitable for the article. [2] Listing various religious attacks against others, all of them with references to major news sources, is a good thing. Its what the article's subject is about. Are there any prominent religious or political leaders that encourage violence? Or is it just people acting on their own? When you have that many people over there, just having a small percentage of them randomly attacking people at times, isn't really a jihad. Is someone who is on the television or other media a lot promoting these actions? Dream Focus 17:32, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

At least 35 people have died during weeks of anti-Christian attacks in Orissa and nearly 50,000 have fled their homes, remaining in state-run shelters.

Dozens of churches, prayer halls and Catholic-run schools have been attacked in the state, which is ruled by a political party allied to India's Hindu nationalist party.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1080745/Nun-attacked-gang-raped-40-men-anti-Christian-violence-India.html#ixzz11VUfHsts

• Keep the original article, everything there having references, and this a serious issue. I'm surprise an article for this doesn't exist somewhere already. Dream Focus 17:39, 5 October 2010 (UTC)

An article does exist, with a proper name for this. See below. Dream Focus 03:15, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete as ludicrous and see Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Brahmanical See. YHBT. Jack Merridew 07:55, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete - speedy delete - This is like saying Islamic Nirvana or Christian Bhagwan. It's absurd and makes no sense. I am sure the creator of the article is inspired by Islamic orators like Zakir Naik who preaches that Hindu scriptures indirectly talks about Islamic teachings including Jihad and Muhammed - which is his rationale of urging all Hindus to convert. 117.97.42.226 (talk) 14:07, 6 October 2010 (UTC)

• Merge with Saffron terror. I have restored the original article, only to have to revert it when someone changed it back again. [3] Once it was nominated for AFD, someone went and erased it and changed it to something totally different. I think everyone saying delete above was for the newer version. Someone also tried to copy and paste the article over to [4] Hindu Terrorism. I think merging the content of the article with Saffron terror might be the best option. Dream Focus 03:14, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

• Delete Invented term. --RegentsPark (talk) 03:43, 7 October 2010 (UTC)

Which is why the content belongs in the proper term for Hindu religious attacks against others, which is apparently Saffron terror. Please make sure you are seeing the proper article, and not the totally different one someone placed over it. [5] Dream Focus 03:49, 7 October 2010 (UTC)