Talk:List of former WWE personnel

To view the List of World Wrestling Entertainment alumni article in chronological order instead of alphabetical order, click on the sortable wikitable box located next to the word "Tenure(s):". Incivil remarks about the article will be removed. In addition, this article is not a place to report rumors or speculation nor is this article a news site for happenings within World Wrestling Entertainment.

Many references are unreliable

If this is being planned to being taken to WP:FLC, it will be quick-failed due to the unreliability of the references. WrestleView, PW Torch, Solie.org, official promotion websites, and the Wrestling Observer newsletter are the only reliable references that may be used, but if thats not the main goal, the refs can stay as stay. If they stay, the references need to be formatted correctly using {{cite web}} and filling out the appropriate paramaters, such as the publisher and using the YYYY-MM-DD format.--TRUCO 01:04, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

"<insert websites> are the only reliable references that may be used"? That is a load of crap.. — Moe ε 04:50, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

No, that is the consensus of this project. If you cannot abide by that, then you might need to stop work on the article until you can "bring it up to code", so to speak. ArcAngel (talk) 06:34, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

There are references from CNN, Fox News, The Sun and various other websites that are most certianly reliable, even more so than the ones you named above. If you want me to stop, I can revert back to the previous revision that included defamation of individuals that most members of "the project" liked. — Moe ε 12:31, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

In fact, if you're going to say that, why don't you go find the references for this article? If you think finding references for this is easy, go ahead, do it. In fact, I'll give you the freedom of going outside of: WrestleView, PW Torch, Solie.org, Wrestling Observer Newsletter and official promotional site. You can go to any site you consider reliable. Find references for when, say a, Wayne Cowan or Jack Reynolds left WWE. Watch your day pass by you while you sit and try to find one reference, because your not going to find any there. — Moe ε 13:55, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

Dude, you need to chill. No one is depriving you of the hard work you have done to this article. I know it takes time, I've worked on over 10 featured lists, its hard work. But the featured process is strict on sourcing. I forgot to mention that newspapers, books, news outlets, and magazines (depending on who publishes them) are reliable. However, the other sources like "Online World of Wrestling", "Obsessed with Wrestling", "Wrestle truth", and "411 Mania" are unreliable. In addition, some of the refs are missing fields in the {{cite web}} template, like the publisher. If a reliable source cannot be found it will be best just to add a footnote stating a reliable source cannot be found to verify when this person left WWE.--TRUCO 22:13, 1 February 2009 (UTC)

I planned on fixing the citations, I just wanted to post the place where I got it first. A site like Wrestle Truth, 411mania and even Lords of Pain can be reliable if they are reposting a story that was originally written and credited to a reliable source like Wrestling Observer Newsletter or PW Torch. If the story itself was written by one of those sites, that is when that becomes sketchy. I already started the footnote you were mentioning, instead i just placed n/a in the box temporarily. Later I will put a symbol and a footnote saying this. I know Online World of Wrestling isn't the most reliable, but if their claims are accurate it is a good starting place to look for better sources. In addition to that it has been proven a reliable source of information and articles such as Bobby Eaton have been promoted to featured article using that site as a source of information. — Moe ε 14:05, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Yes if those sites report it and its a reliable source's work, then it is reliable. But you got to fill out the cite web fields correctly. Lets say 411Mania.com reports something PW Torch reported, the publisher is 411 Mania but the work is from PW Torch. In addition, Bobby Eaton was passed before the sourcing guideline for the featured process was made stricter last year. So thats a bad representation, if at all, it will be removed possibly in the near future for the sourcing issue. --TRUCO 21:36, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

Organisation

Why are the wrestlers list alphabetically instead of by the date they left? It's much less efficiant e.g someone wants to see if someone has been released, they wouldn't be able to simply scroll down to the date. ^The Jay ^Experience —Preceding undated comment was added at 05:27, 2 February 2009 (UTC).

If you payed attention to the conversations above, the table has a sortable wikitable feature. At the very top of the article, next to the words "Date of departure:" there is a box, if you click the box it will auto-arrange the list into choronological order so you can view it the way you want to. As to the reason I choose for it to be alphabetical is because this is a list of people, specifically alumni, not a list of events that occurred. — Moe ε 14:07, 2 February 2009 (UTC)

ah ok I didn't read the other conversations into much detail. ^The Jay ^Experience

This is way to confusing, change it back to the way it was, when it was listed by years User:244pupil6 —Preceding undated comment was added at 02:38, 7 February 2009 (UTC).

Read what I wrote above on how to read it in chronological order. — Moe ε 02:57, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Mike Mayo Jr./Mike Kruel

I don't think he belongs on the list as he never made it to television. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.66.78.247 (talk) 01:39, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

I removed that pseudo rule from the article. Regardless if they were on television or not, they should be able to be listed. If they meet Wikipedia's policy on Notability by having a Wikipedia article and they were contracted, they should be listed. Besides, the first WWE television program wasn't until the 70's, if we base criteria of listing people on that, everyone from the 50's and 60's would be deleted from the list. — Moe ε 02:55, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Well I disagree on including Developmental talents on the list, but its obvious I'm in a losing argument here. So anyway you can include Dominic DeNucci as he competed in the old WWWF. I don't know the dates though. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 98.66.78.247 (talk) 18:02, 7 February 2009 (UTC)

Sure, I'll add Dominic DeNucci. I'll add dates when I reach his name, right now I'm going in alphabetical order and have only reached C so far. — Moe ε 19:20, 7 February 2009 (UTC)