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The result was redirect‎ to List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters. History is under the redirect for a merge, if needed. Star Mississippi 16:46, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Fearless Photog

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This is an *extremely* minor character that, while it has some development information, lacks any actual discussion as a fictional character to demonstrate notability. In writing articles for wikipedia it's important to demonstrate *why* a subject meets notability through significant coverage discussing the topic and illustrating people discussing a subject and why it's important outside of the scope of the main subject.

While this is an obscure character in the He-Man franchise, there's no indication of that importance. Furthermore it's not an isolated instance of an obscure character in the franchise being revisited as a toy much later. And as a fictional character, which should be the most important aspect of such an article...there's nothing.

The whole subject could be covered in a list entry with nothing lost Kung Fu Man (talk) 15:54, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep - MTV news gave significant coverage about this in a very detailed review at https://www.mtv.com/news/urxntw/picture-perfect-motuc-fearless-photog-action-figure-review The other references show it covered in https://www.sun-sentinel.com/1986/01/01/youthful-mattel-toy-creator-awarded-college-scholarship/ and elsewhere. You couldn't fit all the valid information in the article in a list article, most would be lost. It has enough information to fill its own article. Notability is determined by coverage, not personal opinions. Dream Focus 16:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Literally all of that could be fit into a paragraph on its development. What reception is there of it as a fictional character? Even as a toy there's still nothing indicating any significance over any of the other MotU toys, other than its origin. The coverage indicating that importance isn't there. The coverage discussing it as a fictional character and why it's important also isn't there Dream.--Kung Fu Man (talk) 16:53, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Note: This discussion has been included in the deletion sorting lists for the following topics: Fictional elements and Science fiction and fantasy. WCQuidditch ☎ ✎ 23:38, 5 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Weak merge to List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters where he has an entry. There's niche newspaper coverage of its creation because, hey, cute/cool news, 12 year old kid designed a toy, and then a reliable review of the toy. Very borderline. I'll note that the newspaper above is Sun Sentinel while the article cites but does not link to a presumably similar story in Gettysburg Times. I'll ping User:Cunard who is good at finding newspaper sources. Maybe there's more. I am nonetheless not feeling that notability based on effectively one-event coverage in regional newspapers plus a review by anonymous MTV staffer make for a strong case to keep. How's this better from all those articles abotu video game characters or like we routinely merge, even if they cite dozens listicles? Is this better because regional newspaper coverage > modern listicles? --_{Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus| reply here} 03:53, 6 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep or merge with List of He-Man and the Masters of the Universe characters in the spirit of WP:PRESERVE. --Rtkat3 (talk) 03:27, 7 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Keep has notable reliable third person sources. Dwanyewest (talk) 00:31, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge to the He-Man characters list. It's not really a matter of notability here, but of the fact the information here can be easily covered in the list with little to no detriment. The article just doesn't have the bulk to justify its separation. Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999 (talk) 04:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Relisted to generate a more thorough discussion and clearer consensus.
Please add new comments below this notice. Thanks, Liz ^{Read! Talk!} 19:08, 12 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Keep per others and as a notable topic. बिनोद थारू (talk) 00:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Merge Violates WP:INDISCRIMINATE by not clearly demonstrating its impact or significance. GNG is not passed here, no prejudice to recreation if someone is able to find sources that indicate why this character is recognized by the public at large. ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ (ᴛ) 13:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Merge per above. GreenishPickle! (🔔) 00:04, 16 December 2023 (UTC)[reply]

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 :'''Merge''' to the He-Man characters list. It's not really a matter of notability here, but of the fact the information here can be easily covered in the list with little to no detriment. The article just doesn't have the bulk to justify its separation.  [[User:Pokelego999|Has one ever considered Magneton? Pokelego999]] ([[User talk:Pokelego999|talk]]) 04:02, 8 December 2023 (UTC)
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 :'''Keep''' per others and as a notable topic. [[User:बिनोद थारू|बिनोद थारू]] ([[User talk:बिनोद थारू|talk]]) 00:54, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
 *'''Merge''' Violates [[WP:INDISCRIMINATE]] by not clearly demonstrating its impact or significance. GNG is not passed here, no prejudice to recreation if someone is able to find sources that indicate why this character is recognized by the public at large. [[User:Zxcvbnm|ᴢxᴄᴠʙɴᴍ]] ([[User talk:Zxcvbnm|ᴛ]]) 13:12, 15 December 2023 (UTC)
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