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Query re microformats

Hi Andy. I was a bit curious about the class="fn org" you added to Template:Infobox Australian Place, which seems to suggest that a place name/place is an organisation. Is this standard use of the hCard microformat? JPD (talk) 15:58, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, it's a known issue, but not yet resolved. that said, it doesn't stop hCards from being very useful, it just means they're not quite as specific as they could be. As yet, there are no parsers which need to distinguish between types of hCard for places or organisations - and there would be grey areas to consider if they could do so. It's more a matter of a desired feature for the future. Andy Mabbett 16:15, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, the confusion about whether hCards are for people or are more general is indeed one of the unimportant qualms I have about their use on Wikipedia and similar uses elsewhere. However, I was trying to address a more specific, immediate issue: given that we are using an hCard in the template to refer to a place, is it appropriate include an "org" class? It is optional, and seems to be better left out in this case. Am I missing something? JPD (talk) 16:47, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

There is no confusion, hCards are, by definition, for people, organisations or places. Using "fn org" indicates that they are for an organisation or place; using just "fn" specifies explicitly that they apply to people. In other words, use of "fn org" is mandatory for hCards about places. The issue cited is about the possibility, in the future, of differentiating between those for organisations and places. Andy Mabbett 18:40, 9 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

By confusion, I did not mean much more than the issues raised in the link you gave above. If the current approach is that "fn org" implies organisation or place, because "fn" specifies a person, then that is the answer to my question. I didn't realise this, because the microformats page says "If the "FN" and "ORG" properties have the exact same value (typically because they are set on the same element, e.g. class="fn org"), then the hCard represents contact information for a company or organization and should be treated as such." Maybe that should be updated. Thanks for explaining, JPD (talk) 16:07, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree; and have updated that page accordingly. Cheers, Andy Mabbett 16:11, 11 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Geolinks-buldingscale

I am bit confused by the edit you have made to Geolinks-buildingscale

--Scotthatton 16:38, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Feel free to remove it, and that on {{coord}}, if you wish. Andy Mabbett 20:02, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Template:UK Parish

Hi, your last changes to above template appear to have changed layout. Can you change to unbold Region & Coordinates and to left align as per the rest of the labels in the template?

Keith D 17:33, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I've tried (using preview) and can't figure out how. Elsewhere, I'm waiting for an answer to a question about where to get help with templates. When I do, I'll raise the issue there. Andy Mabbett 20:01, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

How about reverting until you figure it out? Keith D 20:14, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think that the gain in functionality outweighs a temporary and minor aesthetic problem; the content is still readable. Andy Mabbett 20:20, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I think I have the answer now it is to do with the ! making it a header row. I will change the template - if it causes a problem with the mark-up then revert it. Keith D 20:46, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Great, thank you. Andy Mabbett 20:49, 12 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

{coord}

Thanks for updating Template:Infobox PNG Place with information on the new coordinates template, and providing a fix on Goroka. I will modify as many articles with this template as I can tonight to use the new coord template. Aliasd 13:50, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Splendid! Thank you. You may be interested in the project to put microformats on Wikipedia and, of youre nor using ot already, the Operator extension for Firefox. Andy Mabbett 13:54, 13 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks

For reverting the vandalism on my talk page!

mcr616 _Speak! has smiled at you! Smiles promote WikiLove and hopefully this one has made your day better. Spread the WikiLove by smiling at someone else, whether it be someone you have had disagreements with in the past or a good friend. Happy editing!
Smile at others by adding {{subst:Smile}} to their talk page with a friendly message.

mcr616 _Speak! 16:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Hey, I'm trying to find all of 12.207.12.28 's socks. Has anyone been harassing you via Wikipedia lately besides 12.207.12.28? mcr616 _Speak! 17:40, 14 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Question on use of state senator template

I tried using {{Infobox State Senator}} on James Leddy (commented out the template incidentally). The display instead generated him a title of "US Congressman" much to my surprise. I went to my US congressman's article Peter Welch and someone had used another template. I'm lost. Can you point me in the right direction for a state senator's template? Thanks.Student7 02:05, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry, no idea. Try the template's talk page. Andy Mabbett 12:01, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Disused stations in the West Midlands

I just wanted to drop my thanks for your double-checking of the new articles I've recently created, especially for fixing my error on Spon Lane railway station. It is appreciated! Fingerpuppet 05:27, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

A pleasure - I'm finding them really interesting. Thank you. Andy Mabbett 06:23, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Upright format in images

You editted Icknield Street School not long ago with the edit summary of "fmt imgs per MoS". In the edit you added 'upright' to the image tags. I've had a look over WP:MOS, and have found nothing in that or the Picture Tutorial that these need to be added to images. So are these really tags really necessary for images? - Erebus555 12:02, 15 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Apologies for the belated response - I've only just noticed your message. I think the MoS is lagging behind. "Upright" was announced in Signpost a few weeks ago, as a fix for thumbnails of portrait-format images such as those. Andy Mabbett 15:20, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you. I have not subscribed to Signpost so I was unaware of it being announced. - Erebus555 15:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Infobox U.S. County

"Coordinates" should not be a parameter within this template. If you want it to be, you should make it where the {{{coordinates}}} variable doesn't include the template, but just the parameters of the template. Adding this line...

 coordinates = {{coord|with a bunch of parameters that users don't understand}}

... makes no sense.

Timneu22 16:00, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I'm sorry you feel like that, but please don't present your lack of understanding as a "should" for me to obey. Wikipedia - and life - doesn't work like that. Andy Mabbett 16:05, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

And the reason you didn't see anything on the template's talk page was because you reverted again, before I'd finished writing it. Please read what I wrote there, and undo your reversion. Andy Mabbett 16:08, 16 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Re: Infobox Settlement

Excellent idea - that seems to be suitable for the most part (and far more developed than my version) Go right ahead and delete the NZ Town infobox, if you wish.

AfD nomination of List of_banks_of_the_United_States_of_America

I've nominated List of_banks_of_the_United_States_of_America, an article you created, for deletion. We appreciate your contributions, but in this particular case I do not feel that List of_banks_of_the_United_States_of_America satisfies Wikipedia's criteria for inclusion; I have explained why in the nomination space (see also "What Wikipedia is not" and the Wikipedia deletion policy). Your opinions on the matter are welcome; please participate in the discussion by adding your comments at Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/List of_banks_of_the_United_States_of_America and please be sure to sign your comments with four tildes (~~~~). You are free to edit the content of List of_banks_of_the_United_States_of_America during the discussion but should not remove the articles for deletion template from the top of the article; such removal will not end the deletion discussion. Thank you. Videmus Omnia 02:36, 17 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

deletion of {{coord dms mountain}}

Thank you for finding this! I had just completely lost track of it. It was obviated by {{Infobox mountain}} hike395 00:16, 18 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Piper at the gates of dawn

Hi pigsonthewing Yes i wrote that 'essay' on the piper page and it is almost completly original. I knew it would get deleted, but i really want something like that to be encorporated into the article. Thanks for pasting it on to the talk page anyway - Ummagumma23 10:09 20 June 2007 (UTC)

Re: Leonig Mig

I appreciate from your edits and his that you're both trying to edit constructively but are too combative. Trust me, I've been in such scrapes myself. Try to assume good faith and act in such away that you deserve others to assume similarly (even though LM has failed to do so in the past), be civil and try to forgive. I know it's not easy, but forgiveness can get you places that grudges can't. Make up with LM - I've removed his section attacking you, too, by the way - and try (BOTH OF YOU!) to get on with helpful editing, either together or separately. Happy editing!

Best wishes,

Vox Humana 8' 14:50, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with Vox. Having sections attacking each other on your userpages is not acceptable. Even if you are incapable of working together, having such a thing is overly provocative, and will lead to more bad than it will good. J Milburn 17:21, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

That's not an attack; it's a statement of fact. Besides, I can;t work with someone who's not here. Andy Mabbett 21:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Whether it is a statement of fact or not, the fact you place it on your userpage in such a way is an attack. If he isn't here, why are you so keen to tell the world you aren't going to reply to him? J Milburn 22:03, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Poppycock, Try reading it. Andy Mabbett 22:06, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I read it. I am not saying that what you are saying is unjustified, I am just saying that saying it in that manner, on your userpage, is. Look at it like this- maybe Tom Smith raped someone, and that is completely true. Be that as it may, me having, in huge bold letters, on my userpage 'TOM SMITH IS A RAPIST AND I HATE HIM AND I HOPE HE ROTS IN HELL', even if I do believe that, meaning everything I am saying is true, is hardly appropriate. You do not need to proclaim your hatred to someone and try to spread the animosity. Having such a thing on your page serves only to incite bad feelings. J Milburn 22:11, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Where did I say anything about hatred? Kindly keep your inventions to yourself. Andy Mabbett 22:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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	::::::Where did I say anything about hatred? Kindly keep your inventions to yourself. [[User:Pigsonthewing\|Andy Mabbett]] 22:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)		::::::Where did I say anything about hatred? Kindly keep your inventions to yourself. [[User:Pigsonthewing\|Andy Mabbett]] 22:38, 20 June 2007 (UTC)
	:::::::And please keep your abuse to yourself. There is no need for that on your page. Seeing as you have removed the comment from the Leonig's userpage, I have removed it from yours. It is in everyone's interest that these comments are not there. [[User:J Milburn\|J Milburn]] 22:44, 20 June 2007 (UTC)