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And merry Christmas to you, Giano! Mr Which ??? 20:49, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

WP:3RR

You violated the 3RR on Wikipedia:IRC channels/wikipedia-en-admins. Continuing to edit war may result in a block. David Fuchs^(talk) 22:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Blocked! (24 hours and rising - any advance?)

I seem to find myself blocked. Never mind, I am quite sure that Wikipedians are quite used to seeing me threatened and blocked for making them aware of what is going on. In short, a non admin in the #admins channel two days ago harassed, insulted and intimidated a female admin in that same channel. What he was doing there I have no idea. When I pointed out his behaviour was unacceptable it was unceremoniously removed [2] and the usual crowd of "men" from IRC accused me of personal attack [3] attempts to then mention that such behaviour exists in the Admins' private channel has too been reverted by admins [4] Finally, I stopped attempting to report fact after Jimbo interfered [5]. Now I am blocked [6] for adding a truthful codicil to Jimbo's statement and the truth once again is removed.

If any of you reading this are being discussed by Admins in #Admins, do you wish to have those Admins hectored and insulted by Tony Sidaway if they do not agree with his point of view? Do you want your admins to sit silently and listen to a female Admin being called a "bastard bitch from hell" and an "Arsehole" until she leaves the channel. As Tony (a non-admin) says on IRC in his own words "this is an admin channel and often admins are talking about problem users" - funny that isn't it? Merry Christmas to you all. Giano (talk) 23:04, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Wow. Just wow. Do we care so little for actual content creation as to let rogue admins behave in such a way? Amazing. Mr Which ??? 23:09, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Giano was blocked for a whole ONE HOUR for edit warring (not be me), not for comments about en-admins. Let's not make this more dramatic than it is. Were there unacceptable comments in #admins? Yes. Was editorialising and making comments on a particular case in an wikipedia essay and then edit warring the way to highlight it? NO. Please can we seperate the issues out. --Doc^g 23:13, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Fair enough, I look at the edit and I can understand the rationale. Frankly I have no idea what possible value there would be to reporting to Jimbo. He has no authority in the channel, he is not either the owner or the operator.Risker (talk) 23:14, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

All you need to know etc is here [7] they are obviously very concerned as I'm not just blocked they have protected the page as well [http://e

n.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Wikipedia%3AIRC_channels%2Fwikipedia-en-admins&diff=179855921&oldid=179852899]. Very hard efforts to keep this one quiet - I keep telling them to be more careful in the channel - will they listen? - On No! Giano (talk) 23:17, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(ECx2) The issues aren't separate. Bad admin actions are bad admin actions. Blocking Giano for any duration for the actions I saw at en-admins is way beyond the pale of acceptable actions in the circumstance. What about Sidaway? He dances along unscathed after the vile things he wrote? Now I'm back to work on actual content. Mr Which ??? 23:19, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Giano, please don't engage in conspiracy theories. "They are obviously very concerned" - who's 'they'? And about what? Since I'm included in they "they" I guess, let me be clear. Yes, I'm concerned. I'm concerned about incivility in #admins - people should not have impunity to be incivil there (just as they should not have it on wikipedia either). But I also reject your methods. I reverted you on the essay page because your method was inappropriate NOT because the concerns expressed should be silenced. Indeed I've done nothing this evening other than raise those same concerns via private communications to various parties. This is not a black and white, them against us, guys in white hats versus the evil cabal, issue. It is possible to take your concerns seriously whilst rejecting your methods (indeed your methods only serve to increase the noise, not the communication).--Doc^g 23:28, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Doc, were you in the channel at the time - yes/no? Giano (talk) 23:30, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Yes I was. I have already been though this with bishonen. I stopped paying attention and did not catch the unacceptable remarks at the end of the conversation until they were drawn to my attention a few hours ago.--Doc^g 23:35, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I extended your block to 24 hours, because it's clear that a one-hour block isn't solving this problem. --Core desat 23:31, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Excuse me? What problem is it supposed to solve? Have you read WP:BLOCK recently? Blocks are given for certain particular reasons, not because "I don't like you", you know. Please divulge the reason for this one. And please put it on ANI for review, for goodness' sake. Bishonen | talk 23:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

That is unhelpful, please reverse this.--Doc^g 23:36, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh good for you! and the funniest thing of all is that Sidaway is blocked from #Admins for half an hour for his attack! You must be real proud of yourselves in there. Giano (talk) 23:33, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I have reverted the block to 1 hour(ish) as I found no evidence of any action or comment that hadn't taken place prior to the 3RR block, and for which there was no official warnings. I have commented as such at Coredesat's talkpage. LessHeard vanU (talk) 23:41, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Interesting coincidence that at the same time Giano is blocked for this, and Tony appears to have gotten a short "cooldown" from #-admins, Willbeback has proposed that the proposed "private correspondence" policy should be approved because he perceives it to be accepted by the community. Risker (talk) 23:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well "others" seem to want it brought in fast too [8]

I have unblocked you. The block was unhelpful. Now let's try to decrease conflict and find real solutions.--Doc^g 23:42, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Doc, most kind. I'm off for Christmas now, harnessing the goats up to the sleigh. Have a lovely time all of you. Giano (talk) 23:45, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(EC to Doc and LHvU) Good moves, guys. I had resolved not to get bogged in this kind of stuff, and to return to content creation, but with Sidaway blocked from #Admins for a freakin half hour for his "bastard bitch from hell" and related comments, and Giano blocked from editing the project for 24 hours, I was going to make a special exception to protest this at AN/I. Thanks for being a calming influence LHvU and Doc. Mr Which ??? 23:46, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Still autoblocked

Giano remains autoblocked, could somebody please release him? The new autoblock thingy is a total mystery to me. (Is it supposed to be an "upgrade"? Grrr.) Bishonen | talk 23:55, 23 December 2007 (UTC).[reply]

I tried, but the autoblock page doesn't list any current blocks for Giano II. ElinorD (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Grrrr I hate autoblocks. Never did understand them.--Doc^g 00:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I can't find the autoblock either. I looked, but it's not listed. --Core desat 00:09, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Okay, I looked at this page, after unsuccessfully trying the autoblock tool, and I found a supposedly current block, which I've removed. That should work. ElinorD (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thank you Elinor, your obviously a very skilled Admin! Giano (talk) 00:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Happy Christmas (?)

The very best of the season to you and yours, Giano...and the same greetings to anyone else who happens to stumble on this page over the coming days. My goodness this seems to be a popular place, you might want to consider setting up a little bar over in the corner, my friend! Risker (talk) 23:58, 23 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, I am indeed very popular lately, albeit still blocked, an oversight I'm sure. Giano (talk) 00:02, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Well at least pour yourself a drink while you are waiting. Shall I bring it up at AN/I to see if we can find someone to undo the autoblock? --Risker (talk) 00:06, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

Oh dear they don't seem very skilled with their tools do they? Giano (talk) 00:10, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I seem to recall a previous episode where a user's known previous account was also blocked; perhaps that is the case here? Risker (talk) 00:13, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

You can quit bashing admins for no good reason now, you're unblocked. --Core desat 00:15, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I beg your pardon - you think that is no good reason? Well let me tell you, you have not heard the last of this ny any means. I was about to drop the matter following a private email from James Forrester but you want to make light of this - well lets just see what happens next, you are going to look very foolish indeed! Giano (talk) 00:18, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(to Coredesat) LOLOLOL (Can a guy be blocked for laughing out loud?) Mr Which ??? 00:20, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

(For the record, I was laughing at your presumption, not with you.) Mr Which ??? 00:22, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

C'mon Giano. Its Christmas, for goodness sake. Goodwill to all men and all that nonsense. Please don't prolong this further. And, Mr Which, provocation like that is not going to help matters either. Rockpocket 00:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

I was all prepared to drop the matter. Coredesat thinks it is nothing, well we will see about that! Giano (talk) 00:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)[reply]

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 : C'mon Giano. Its Christmas, for goodness sake. Goodwill to all men and all that nonsense. Please don't prolong this further. And, Mr Which, provocation like that is not going to help matters either.  [[User:Rockpocket|<font color="green">Rockpock</font>]]<font color="black">e</font>[[User_talk:Rockpocket|<font color="green">t</font>]] 00:23, 24 December 2007 (UTC)
+::I was all prepared to drop the matter. Coredesat thinks it is nothing, well we will see about that! [[User:Giano II|Giano]] ([[User talk:Giano II#top|talk]]) 00:26, 24 December 2007 (UTC)