User talk:Matt57

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Organization of British ex-Muslims

The organization has 25 founding members and an unknown number of additional members. It is not significant enough to warrant a section on the Islam in the United Kingdom page. If you were to add a section for every group with so few members or impact on the general British Muslim population the article would be endless.

If such a section is added to the Islam in the United Kingdom article then equally sections on apostacy, scularism and athiesm added to the British Jews article and Church of England article. Please do not try to threaten me or taint the Wikipedia project with your Athiest extremist point of view.

Articles that are counterparts on the same subject such as Religion do matter. Wikipedia cannot be seen to be or actually be bias as it will destory the credibility of the whole project. While this organization has been heralded in the media its impact on the actual British Muslim community has been neglible as its numbers suggest. The Sufi Muslim Council also is notable but it does not have its own section and is only mentioned in the Political organisations and pressure groups section. Feel free to add the Organization of British ex-Muslims to the latter section.

I do not have the verifiable data or information on apostacy, scularism and athiesm in the Jewish and Christian communities of Britain and would not attempt to make the needed and factual changes without doing so.

Abuse of Power

http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:Log/delete&page=Edina_Lekovic

Tahrir-ol-vasyleh

Do you have access to this book? Tahrir-ol-vasyleh. Want to verify the infamous "thighing" quote. --Matt57 (talk•contribs) 03:20, 4 December 2007 (UTC)

There is a link on the site to the an arabic copy.--CltFn (talk) 12:54, 5 December 2007 (UTC)

Elonka adminship

"Don't blame me, I voted for the other guy." Sound familiar? Mindraker (talk) 22:05, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

Yes very. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 22:20, 7 December 2007 (UTC)

I just thought I'd say that although we don't have the same opinions about this AfD, I appreciate the way that you have remained calm in what must be a difficult topic for you. If you have any concerns or problems in the future and think I might be able to help, I hope the fact that we have disagreed on this subject will not make you at all hesitant to contact me. All the best Tim Vickers (talk) 06:58, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Thanks Tim. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 15:42, 8 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi again. Now (almost) all of the drama has died down, I thought I would contact you and a few other users who opposed the RfA. Since I helped Elonka get adminship I now share the responsibility if you are correct and she misuses the tools. I still think this is unlikely, but if you do become aware of any such abuse could I ask you to contact me and I will try to deal with it. I don't want any future "dramabomb" and I may have a better chance of being able to mediate and defuse conflicts. Anyway, I don't think this will be necessary, but I thought making this offer might help avert any future problems. Tim Vickers (talk) 17:31, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

OK, but if you need any help or advice please feel free to contact me. Tim Vickers (talk) 18:19, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Matt, please rest assured that I definitely paid close attention to everything that was said in the debate, and, where possible, I will try to incorporate the (constructive) criticism towards being a better administrator. I'm going to take it slow for now -- I'm working my way through the Wikipedia:New admin school, carefully investigating the admin tools and double-checking the relevant policies, and will gradually phase into the use of the new tools. I sincerely doubt you'll see anything controversial coming from my new access level. My main goals are to help out with various backlogs, though I also fully intend to keep on writing articles, as there are a few more that I definitely want to get to WP:FA status. If you do ever have any concerns about my activities as an administrator, I encourage you to let me know. My door is always open. --Elonka 07:56, 17 December 2007 (UTC)

Merry Christmas

Think not that I am come to send peace on earth: I came not to send peace, but a sword. Matthew 10:34 KJV

Dear Matt57, at this season of THE WINTER SOLSTICE, may reason prevail. There are no gods, no devils, no angels, no heaven, no hell. There is only the natural world. Religion is but myth and superstition that harden hearts and enslaves minds.
Kirbytime sen't me this a year ago, and i liked it, so merry christmas, and see you next year. Yahel Guhan 23:33, 16 December 2007 (UTC)

Images of Muhammad(PBUH)

I know nothing new is going to happen that is why i am calling arbitration on this article, this is not a issue of censorship or respecting polices, this is a issue of respect and reality. you can not use these 2 to change the religion of others and misguide next generation. its a fight for right to represent truth about a faith. --Faraz Ahmad (talk) 05:09, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Wikipedia is an objective project. The only problem I see here is the proposed censorship of information which myself and many others should be permitted to access. Understand that not everyone is a strict Muslim, and that the censorship of pictures which really do not offend most readers (including many Muslims) is tantamount to the misguided logic of the prohibition and other such movements. In short: to each his own.--C.Logan (talk) 08:02, 26 December 2007 (UTC)

Accusation of Sockpuppetry

• Just so you know, your constant accusations of sockpuppetry, as amusing as it may be, is going to stop. Since you have made no effort to complain to Wikipedia:Suspected sock puppets, it can only be assumed that your purpose is in direct conflict with the notions of Wikipedia:Civility. In other words, you are intending to threaten or harass another user within the confines of the system, for the purpose of intimidation. I personally find this amusing, but it is becoming rather disruptive, as another editor named Arrow740 has used your unsubstantiated accusations as an excuse to undo or remove ANY edit that I may make, on the grounds that I was somehow banned as a sockpuppet at some point in time. This cannot be allowed, and I am fully prepared to lodge a complaint with Wikipedia:ANI if you fail to respond promptly. What you are doing, after all, is a clear cut case of harassment and wikistalking Atari400 10:30, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Zakir Naik

Hi Matt, I take issue with some recent insertion of criticism on that page and believe it unbalances the article, given the relative sizes of the other sections. I have opened a section on the talk page. ITAQALLAH 16:11, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Responding there. --Matt57 ^{(talk•contribs)} 16:27, 27 December 2007 (UTC)

Hey Matt57!

• I noticed you are not having alot of luck with your fishing expedition![1] It appears you spent alot of time on it, and I mean ALOT of time. Anyway I can help? If not, will you be willing to help me out with a harassment complaint against you? It would be greatly appreciated. Atari400 03:18, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

"Defense of Kirbytime"

Response to your post: I'm not defending Kirbytime. Bless sins (talk) 08:11, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Atari400 can certainly make better edits, and I don't agree with all his/her edits. There are many editors that are unhappy, it seems. However, that is a debate I've not been following (but now will). What I have been following is sock puppetry claims, which I believe are baseless. Bless sins (talk) 08:20, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Certainly not every disruptive user is a sock puppet of Kirbytime (whether Atari400 is disruptive remains to be discussed).Bless sins (talk) 08:25, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Re:Zakir Naik

I don't believe I "blanked" anything except Ali Sina. The removal of Ali Sina has been explained on the article's talk page.Bless sins (talk) 08:28, 28 December 2007 (UTC)

Done

User:Matt57/Avraham Sinai — iridescent 19:52, 30 December 2007 (UTC)

Shaam-e-Gareeba

Good day, Friend! Could you help me recognise the proper categories for Shaam-e-Gareeba? Also, if possible, could you check whether this isn't a copyright violation (per this and this)? I do not know the context, therefore I turn to you. Thanks in advance! --Ouro (blah blah) 08:53, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Hi! Yes, I've been following your edits and have noticed that you removed almost everything - however that which is left provides little to no context and is begging for expansion. I have almost no knowledge on the subject (am getting ready to study the Qur'an), but I'm thinking, maybe this'd be better as a redirect to the Day of Ashura article? You have more knowledge, you decide. But thanks! --Ouro (blah blah) 09:09, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Sounds logical. I'll stay around to see what comes out of this. Thanks once again and happy new year! --Ouro (blah blah) 09:14, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Deleting votes

Hi,

Can you name a policy that gives you the right of deleting votes of suspected sockpuppets.Bless sins (talk) 20:35, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

Re: Islamophilia

Done. Cheers. --MZMcBride (talk) 20:45, 31 December 2007 (UTC)

IslamOnline

I'm sorry I made haste in saying that IslamOnline is a reliable source. I should've been more careful. The part I said was reliable is signed by "a group of researchers", with no names specified. This is one of the biggest arguments against the reliability of that particular article.

However, many times IslamOnline publishes the opinions of respected scholars. In those cases only, IslamOnline should be considered reliable.Bless sins (talk) 00:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

When did I say Gary Miller is reliable?[2]Bless sins (talk) 00:58, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

I don't recall saying Miller is reliable.Bless sins (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Haykal's book is a reliable source. It was approved by the Supreme Council of Islamic Affairs, Cairo, Egypt. Haykal himself was major Egyptian official. Please keep in mind that Egypt is the 5th largest Muslim state in the world.Bless sins (talk) 01:10, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This proves that it is a partisan religious source, unreliable by WP:RS. Arrow740 (talk) 21:07, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Let me ask this question a different way: what is it that makes Robert Spencer reliable - in your view - but doesn't make Haykal reliable? I desperately await your response.Bless sins (talk) 01:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

FSM BOX

Fine by me, happy editing. — xaosflux ^Talk 05:16, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Response:Shaam-e-Gareeba

Hi, the problem was the wrong transliteration. I moved it and you can see some results in google[3]. I believe we should move its content to Commemoration of Husayn ibn Ali and only make a new article when its size reach to about 70 kb. This is what we had done for other similar articles:Talk:Mourning of Muharram#Merge--Seyyed(t-c) 06:18, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

OR

You can't interpret the Qur'an as you wish. It has to be interpreted by scholars. Secondly, please check out the consensus at Islam and animals.Bless sins (talk) 22:44, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Making false statements is not good. You are not quoting the verse., like you claim.[4] You are inserting in "The Quran mentions that people who broke the Sabbath were turned into apes as a punishment.^{[Quran 2:65]}". That is an interpretation.

Secondly, why does the verse belong in the article at all? Who said the verse is relevent to apes?Bless sins (talk) 22:48, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

The Qur'an uses thousands of words. For example, the Qur'an uses the word 'and'. Are you going to go the the article and, and place all the Qur'anic verses there?

In any case, you need a reliable source that says Quranic verse X:Y is about apes. You have failed to provide that. Thus you are engaging in OR.Bless sins (talk) 23:04, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

This isn't about english. It's about you interpreting the Qur'an. Tell me one thing: why is it, that no reliable source on the face of earth considers this verse to be related to either Hominidae or Hylobatidae?Bless sins (talk) 23:12, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

BTW, just because Sudan is a Muslim country doesn't mean anything it does is related to Islam. Similarly just because an India, the world's biggest democratic country, does something, doesn't mean its related to democracy.Bless sins (talk) 22:57, 2 January 2008 (UTC)

Username

Im not trying to be a sockpuppet, but I would rather just start this new one as I managed to get my signature as my real name, and would rather remain at least partially anonymous, I dont think I edited the article on Israel with a username but I think I have done with a IP, although its probably not the IP of this computer. I more just looked at what other people had written earlier and made one or two points (although I cant remebr waht about, but I can remebr the incivility on both sides of the argument), but nothing really big. Also I would rather not get to involved in the Israel because, as you may have seen, I have a tendency to rant when something gets on my whick, and there isnt any point in irritating yourself.Anti-BS Squad (talk) 04:40, 3 January 2008 (UTC)