User talk:Jayjg/Archive 9

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Old talk archived at Archive 1, Archive 2, Archive 3, Archive 4, Archive 5, Archive 6, Archive 7, Archive 8

Disclaimer

Just so you know that this anon is viewed my me and other Poles as a troll and vandal as well. Please don't think we support his attacks and accusations in anyway whatsoever. --Piotr Konieczny aka Prokonsul Piotrus ^Talk 5 July 2005 16:26 (UTC)

Thanks for the heads-up. It's touching to know that I'm noticed! HKT 6 July 2005 02:33 (UTC)

Jewish Polish history issues

Hello Jay: Would you care to take a look at the discussions (involving mainly User:Piotrus) at Talk:History of the Jews in Poland#Article division. The article was approaching 90k, and I created a template ({{JewishPolishHistory}}) into which I subdivided and placed all the original contents of the main article leaving it as a lead article for a longer series on Jewish-Polish history. Piotrus' objective was to have only one loooong article and to primarily make it into a "FA" (Featured Article), and I disagree with that focus (...how can you squeeze over 1000 years of history into one "FA" article?) His way would also leave the article as an appendix of Polish history mainly, rather than presenting the topic for what it is as the vast subject of Jewish-Polish history connected to the continuum of Jewish history as well. We have been reverting each others versions. Your sage counsel is needed. IZAK 6 July 2005 03:57 (UTC)

Christian opposition to anti-Semitism

Care to copy edit Christian opposition to anti-Semitism? IZAK 6 July 2005 10:33 (UTC)

The IP

I've informed the latest IP address used that, due to his block evasion, I'm extending the block another day. Let me know when he switches IPs so I can start watching different ones. Snowspinner July 6, 2005 15:17 (UTC)

Thank you

I couldn’t figure out how to post a new topic so please forgive (I just discovered this site) I just wanted to say thank you to jayjg. You showed me how serious this website is with your careful editing of my edits that were just thrown in without too much thought. I appreciate the effort it must take

THANK YOU AND ALL THE EDITORS (even the ones I (already!!!) believe should not be editors) for your participation in this wonderful site

Soapboxing?

I do not consider it a defence against anything else in the article. The article is about Anti-Semitism and the section is about Anti-Semitism in Poland. This information concerns Anti-Semitism in Poland and therefore it belongs to the section. It's not a comment about other parts of the article but a paragraph of its own. What could be the reason to remove it ? Maybe we could put it at the top of the section so that it does not seem as "defence" against the preceeding paragraphs ? (and I'm sure I don't need to tell you this, but it would be more polite to first discuss and then remove, not the other way :-). --wojsyl (talk) 6 July 2005 19:07 (UTC)

Copying to relevant Talk: page. Jayjg ^(talk) 6 July 2005 19:33 (UTC)

Stopping Vandalism by Lapsed Pacifist

Since you are an administrator, is there anything you can do to stop Lapsed Pacifist from continuing to vandalize the List of Irish-Americans? 64.109.253.204

The response to your claims on the talk page of Jfdwolff

Jayjg, which links were relevant? the one in open source? the regulars there agree with me that it is not notable, the only one that upon further consideration might agree is the Judaism and Evolution, which I deleted because it was a commercial link, and you say that it is nonetheless relevant. And in regards to the Talmud article, Student is mentioned there as an "expert on exposing anti-Talmud accusations" and if I was out to get him, I would have removed this, however I am not out to get him, I am just removing the links that a certain person spammed all over Wikipedia for him. And regarding his wikipedia page, he himself admits that he isn't notable enough to have it, As do 90% of other people on wikipedia, (based on the votes and comments there). As for WP:POINT, you seem to be the one violating it, because when you see that your desires to keep Gil Student around wikipedia even in places that he doesn't belong, you start posting messages to peoples talk pages saying that I am on an anti student campaign, and reverting any changes with the same message. --Eliezer 7 July 2005 01:55 (UTC)

User:Cragmont

Please see his new edits to Censorship. I think he's a User:Yuber-sockpuppet, and probably also a sock of the belligerent IPs (probably Yuber) that have been revert-warring on Censorship. See Cragmont (talk · contribs) for contribs, specifically his post to User talk:Irishpunktom. I don't think it's a question of whether or not he should be banned (you can get him for 3RR on Censorship; he's been warned), merely a question of for what duration (I suggest an indefinite ban until/unless someone with access determines that he's not Yuber). I'll leave this to you. Thanks, HKT 7 July 2005 04:58 (UTC)

Talk:Crimean_Karaites

Li'l Help? --Briangotts 7 July 2005 16:04 (UTC)

Thanks for your comment. This guy keeps accusing me of misunderstanding the relationship between Crimean Karaites or Qaraylar and the general Karaite Jewish community. In fact I understand the relationship all too well. How do I go about getting the disputed tag removed? --Briangotts 7 July 2005 20:54 (UTC)

Blocking

While the Wikipedia rules clearly state that there should be no blocking for just one edit, my addition of a single, completely correct sentence was enough for you to block me. The article in question was clearly POV, and you would better serve Wikipedia by correcting such mistakes yourself, instead of blocking people who are simply trying to benefit the community as a whole. (Unsigned edit by 83.131.31.1 (talk · contribs))

83.131.31.1 (talk · contribs), an IP sock, is now at his vandalism again. Been warned.... HKT 7 July 2005 23:20 (UTC)

How is introducing the world to the wonders of the Jewish tradition considered vandalism? What exactly did I write that made you think I was a vandal? Heil Hitler (Unsigned edit by 83.131.25.181 (talk · contribs))

Let's see: Blanking large sections without posting rationale or attempting consensus; violation of WP:NPOV; violation of WP:NOR; violation of WP:3RR; violation of WP:POINT; violation of WP:NPA; etc.; etc.... HKT 8 July 2005 16:58 (UTC)

Something you might want to see.

I'd like to get at least one admin watching this...Wikipedia:Votes for deletion/Túpac Amaru II. Tomer ^TALK July 8, 2005 05:05 (UTC)

talk:Homosexuality

Please check the NPOV dispute section and tell me if I have my head on straight.--Tznkai 8 July 2005 16:36 (UTC)

Thanks, but I meant 66.216.226.34 and my discussion. The other anon was replying to me, and should be in a diffrent subsection.--Tznkai 8 July 2005 17:55 (UTC)

Please stop edit-warring with your POV!

Please stop pushing your Jewish POV and reverting edits!

I am not your lapdog! I will edit any article as this website is FREE! You are no slavedriver!

You have yet to explain how anything I did violated policy. All I see you doing is violating policy by reverting edits with POV reasons. You attack people by editing. This is known as hostile editing and is against the rules. You use and abuse the caveat on edit pages for your advantage in starting edit wars to make the other person seem guilty of some wrongdoing: If you do not want your writing to be edited mercilessly and redistributed at will, do not submit it. You are dishonest and exploitive. You do not deserve to be given administration privileges with the POV party you carry on your shoulders. You are filibustering to keep what you think is rightful control in your hands to direct edits. Admins aren't supposed to use their position to their advantage, but for all editors alike!

• (cur) (last) 19:37, 8 July 2005 Jayjg m (rv: Jews weren't viewed as barbarians, and other link is about a modern phenomenon)

It is a well known fact that the Greeks and Romans viewed Jews inferior, while it is a well known and absolute fact that "circumcision as a mutilation" in present day discourse carries parallels with the Graeco-Roman world(much like the New Age paganism). Even if there was no direct inspiration from activists today, the topic is precisely on target with the issue of disgust for the Graeco-Roman world for the very same reasons as decided today. Besides, the Wikipedia already justified my edits before you came to run your mouth off. Antisemitism#Historical_forms_of_anti-Judaism[1]

Prejudice against Jews can be traced back to the Graeco-Roman period and the rise of Hellenistic culture. Most Jews rejected efforts to assimilate them into the dominant Greek (and later Roman) culture, and their religious practices, which conflicted with established norms, were perceived as being backward and primitive. Gaius Cornelius Tacitus, for example, writes disparagingly of many real and imagined practices of the Jews, while there are numerous accounts of circumcision being described as barbarous.

Now see my edits:[2]

An additional legion, VI Ferrata, was stationed in the province to maintain order and the works commenced in 131 CE, after the governor of Judaea Tineius Rufus performed the foundation ceremony of Aelia Capitolina, the city’s projected new name. "Ploughing up the Temple" was a religious offense that turned many Jews against the Roman authorities. The tensions grew higher when Hadrian abolished circumcision (brit milah), which he, a proud and avid Hellenist, viewed as a barbaric and unsophisticated form of mutilation. A Roman coin inscribed Aelia Capitolina was issued in 132 CE.

Everything that I had done, was in the context and spirit of what was already written in the article. All I did, was tweak the links to better serve people On Topic. One needn't go merely to the wiktionary-style "mutilation" article, if Hadrian's issues were with genital modification as that is what circumcision is about.

You invented an argument, only so you could revert my edits. — Unsigned edit by TheUnforgiven (you can sign your user name by typing four tildes (~~~~) El_C 8 July 2005 20:41 (UTC)

If you have something to say, please take it to the relevant article Talk: page. Jayjg ^(talk) 8 July 2005 20:33 (UTC)

I will never trust any edit of yours for any reason. I would call your edits "POV garbage" as much as any other that would occur. Are only Jews like Michael Savage allowed to be racist? G-d forbid the Whitey would say such things about Jews, but hey, Jews suffer too much! Tell that to the Palestinians who have their homes flattened by Israeli-driven, American Caterpillar tractors. This unpopular coup d'etat by the Neocons will not last forever. Relax and leave me alone. I know that it isn't about me specifically, but what you bring to Wikipedia against anybody and everybody who you disagree with unless they follow your lead. TheUnforgiven 8 July 2005 20:59 (UTC)

I have removed a plethora of personal attacks and threats from the above post. Tomer ^TALK July 8, 2005 21:05 (UTC)