User talk:Grant.Alpaugh

Please feel free to leave me a message here. --Grant.Alpaugh 18:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

You don't want to go to law school, you want to go to grad school. More sane people, costs less, and it's ultimately more fulfilling. I've experienced both sides of the coin :) Madcoverboy (talk) 17:12, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL thanks for the advice! I don't really want to go to law school either, but man being poor for another ten years while I figure out what the fuck I want to do for a living doesn't sound very fun either. --Grant.Alpaugh 18:30, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

ITN

Fixed my story, I added it again. Thanks for the heads-up that it didn't say anything, I've never submitted a news candidate before. I thought someone would immediately take it down; there were a lot of negative feelings over at the Jimbo Wales page. - ђαίгснгм ^таιќ 05:57, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

Hey

I like the new signature. Were you born on the East side or west side of Cleveland...I live in the suburbs right now. Spencer^T♦C 12:08, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

East side Mentor-Concord Township-Painsville area if that helps. You? -- Grant.Alpaugh 12:16, 6 March 2008 (UTC)

I live an inner-ring, side suburb (Cleveland Heights, Shaker Heights, University Heights, Euclid, East Cleveland). I just don't want to disclose my exact location. Spencer^T♦C 02:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

LOL, yeah, but if that's the case I'd take down the coordinates that show your exact location. -- Grant.Alpaugh 03:16, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I don't really care about that...they're not correct at any rate. :D. Spencer^T♦C 13:29, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

McCain?

Any particular reason you had to change the McCain blurb? I don't think the change sounds very encyclopedic. -- Grant.Alpaugh 15:42, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... I thought it's relevant and interesting. It was also a failed attempt to replace on MainPage the protected President of the United States page with one that I thought more contributors can edit. I didn't know that the United States presidential election, 2008 page was also protected, but not tagged with {{sprotected}}. Oh, well... --PFHLai (talk) 23:25, 7 March 2008 (UTC)

So are you going to revert it then, cause that's not the language we agreed upon at ITN/C. In the future if you could try to refrain from drive-by editing ITN without taking into consideration what has been said there, we'd all appreciate it. -- Grant.Alpaugh 03:18, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Hmmm... Wording came up at ITN/C is not really etched in stones, and to not make changes afterwards is rather un-wiki. I have been editing ITN since 2004, and I see no reason to stop. I can revert or make further changes on ITN, but I (or any admin at WP:ERRORS) need to be persuaded that the current line has a problem. I do think my line is slightly more informative, so I'll leave things as is for now. --PFHLai (talk) 16:32, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Also, please add the Warren Buffett blurb we've agreed upon. That would be great. -- Grant.Alpaugh 03:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC

I'll pass on the Buffett blurb. I find the whole thing too tabloid-ish. --PFHLai (talk) 16:19, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Just for the record, I have no problem with you editing ITN, I just have a problem with anyone editing ITN that ignores consensus reached on ITN/C or refuses to look there at all. I just want this to take place in as much of a wikifashion as possible. -- Grant.Alpaugh 09:29, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

I hope this doesn't mean taking ownership of the first good version of an ITN headline you and your colleagues at ITN/C came up with. People will revise and revise on their whim. It's a wiki afterall. --PFHLai (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Requests for page protection

I saw your request. Please note that everything on MainPage is fully protected to avoid vandalism. (See Wikipedia:Editing the main page.) If you don't want your wording to be mercilessly edited and revised after it's posted on ITN, you may want to bring this up at Template talk:In the news. --PFHLai (talk) 17:17, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I understand that, but there are several editors that are infinitely qualified to act as stewards of the template than the drive-by admins in charge now. It's an issue of ITN/C being completely ignored by the majority of those that actually edit ITN. There's no reason why a small number of regulars couldn't be able to edit ITN without a problem. -- Grant.Alpaugh 19:28, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

I know. ITN/C needs admin attention. I used to be the regular admin at ITN/C. But I've burnt out.... I like your enthusiasm, but getting non-admins to edit MainPage is not going to happen. Anyone with admin-editing privileges can edit ITN. If you want policy changes, you start talking and getting you and your few good men organized at Template talk:In the news. --PFHLai (talk) 21:00, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

Right but allowing just any admin to edit ITN is just as much a non-starter. There has to be a way to make this process more satisfactory for the people who actually care about ITN. -- Grant.Alpaugh 22:21, 8 March 2008 (UTC)

If you have ideas on how to run ITN better, please be encouraged to propose them at the ITN talk page. But I don't think we can restrict the editing in ITN (or any wikipage) to just a small group of contributors. This would go against the WP principle that "anyone can edit". (Anyone can become an admin, too. One just has to earn the trust of enough fellow Wikipedians for an RfA.) ... Things are not perfect now, but at least we don't get porno pics on ITN every other day. --PFHLai (talk) 05:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

Thank you for helping us out, I apologize if I came off as a dick earlier. It's just really frustrating when you and a few other people are really dedicated to making something work, but are completely reliant on other people to put it into action. Anyway, thanks again. -- Grant.Alpaugh 09:26, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

You're welcome. No, you weren't a dick at all. But you seem rather frustrated. I suggest taking it easy, Grant.Alpaugh. Relax. It's supposed to be fun editing in the wiki. Cheers! --PFHLai (talk) 17:47, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

McCain

I have ITN learning to do which is fun. Yes, I saw consensus for the McCain item and liked the photo, but differed on the wording with the version that came to pass, which is not a big deal in retrospect and now that it scrolled a tad. Sorry for thinking Mr. Buffett is the cats meow some days. And yes, looking forward to your thoughts too on more stories. Thanks for your notes and ideas. -09:39, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

ITN

Thanks. I'd focussed on other things the last few days, then noticed how stale it was, while there were some good debates and consensus building, in which you play a large part. Makes the updates much easier! Thank you. --Stephen 10:14, 9 March 2008 (UTC)

USMNT Kits

I think you'd have to make a whole new template for the sleeves to do that; I just did the away kits based on already available templates (if you notice, the collar on the new kit is actually more V-ish, and the border on the sleeves is thinner). Charles 01:42, 27 March 2008 (UTC)

Disrupting discussion

Please, don't disrupt a discussion. Keep focus in the discussion's subject. Given judgement or personal advices to others in discussions (like in here) only disrupt it. Also, I didn't like a bit your advice, so, for now on, don't give me any of your personal options or advices. --ClaudioMB (talk) 03:24, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Mastery of English

First, I know my mastery of English is far from perfect, and I certainly misunderstood things before. But, you saying that I'm not able "to be arguing with people on talk pages" is laughable. You could say that I'm very sensitive to certain comments. I could have agreed. So, I challenge you too show that my English was any problem what so ever in that discussion. If so, I will apologize to those I was arguing with and rethink about my "Mastery of English", if not, you apologize to me. Second, yes, I did once a big change in the code of a table without previous discussion, I learn from that and I didn't make the same mistake again. I'm not afraid of accept my mistakes. I learn from them. --ClaudioMB (talk) 05:27, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

You upset me because you are totally wrong. First, at the point he said that I was been difficult, I didn't have said anything about previous articles. I just propose another solution for his argument to do not accept my initial suggestion. Also, I didn't repeated suggested "that we change every article...". You want make me sounds like I was annoying him. Also my point in saying that was we should not hold improvements in new articles because old ones. So, maybe you know English much better than myself, but it seems you are unable to pay attention and understand on what you are reading. I guess, you need improve your reading skills (does not matter the language). Second, I understood he was frustrated with me. But why he was frustrated? Because, I was contra-arguing him. That what I didn't like it. It's unpleasant and disruptive to see somebody frustration just because you are contra-arguing. It's like, people don't have that right. He should have kept his frustration for himself. Mostly because we already know very well each other, and he frequently comes to oppose my suggestions, I believe, sometimes, just for the sake of it. So, he should be more careful with any comment towards me, as I do towards him. So, you also should be careful to say something so strong like someone is not able to "arguing with people on talk pages". You need I much better argument than this one you present here. I've never had any complain about any English misunderstand before, eventhough I'm sure I did it. Also, most of people don't care much about it, because people want contribution, not perfect English. So, I'm waiting your apologies to make or future encounters less stressful.--ClaudioMB (talk) 07:16, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

P.S. I know I'm very upset about this and I could wait to answer this when I'm calmer. But, I want to show you that you should be more careful to criticize other people, that's something very difficult to do in a proper wait (even if you know very well the language you are using). Also, don't make it if you are already in the discussion, it will never sounds like you are trying to help.--ClaudioMB (talk) 07:29, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Sure. LMAO. --ClaudioMB (talk) 23:44, 31 March 2008 (UTC)

Brackets

Hey man, nice work on the brackets for this season's UEFA Cup and UEFA Champions League. However, I have just one small question to ask. Would it be possible for you to make it so that the final is over just one leg, and also to remove the "seed" parameter. Personally, I think it would be better if the player's nationality flagicon wasn't surrounded by a box. – PeeJay 10:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I agree on both counts, but unfortunately I don't know how to do either. Personally, I think the box provides a nice frame for the flag. It's actually supposed to be where the seed goes in a seeded tournament, but obviously that doesn't apply. Maybe someone with better knowledge would be able to help you with the one leg thing, so maybe posting on the talk page would be helpful. Thanks for the kind words, I did a lot of work on the data entry. -- Grant.Alpaugh 10:35, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

So I see. Well, I'll try and sort out those issues myself, but if we can't get them dealt with, I may end up suggesting that we revert back to the old brackets. That would be the last resort, however. – PeeJay 10:38, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

I think that would be a bad move. More than anything I think this bracket allows for the aggregate scores to be included, which is of course the most important piece of data. I really think you're making too much of the flag-in-the-box issue, so that's a push, and I don't doubt that we can figure out how to make the final one leg, so don't worry. -- Grant.Alpaugh 10:51, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I'm quite happy to leave the flags as they are, although I'd prefer to have them out of a box. The final, however, is an important one to get fixed. I would also prefer it if we could make the First knockout round of the Champions League a bit more spaced out (i.e. not use the compact bracket). – PeeJay 10:54, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Fixed the finals on both templates. I'm not willing to work out something that is purely asthetic, but if you want to be my guest. -- Grant.Alpaugh 11:25, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Aww, nice one. Well done. To be honest, I can't be arsed working on the flags in boxes now, but I will try to make the First knockout round of the Champions League a bit more spaced out. – PeeJay 11:31, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Mate, you didn't even give me five minutes to make the appropriate changes to the UEFA Champions League 2007-08 article! The changes have been made now. – PeeJay 11:49, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Hey, I have one more question. What screen resolution is your monitor on? The only reason I ask is that the Final round of the UEFA Cup bracket is now a bit squashed on my 1280x800 resolution monitor. Obviously it would be best if we could avoid this, but the only way I can think of would involve reducing the width of each of the other rounds, which would result in club names going onto two lines, another scenario that should be avoided. Can you think of any ideas? – PeeJay 12:29, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

The solution I've encountered is folding the final in on itself. That was the original template I started with but I went back to an earlier version. Here's an example. That's the best idea, but I don't know how you go about changing our template into that one. -- Grant.Alpaugh 12:37, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Yeah, I did try to do the UEFA Cup one, but it's difficult since I based the Champions League one on a 16-team bracket I found elsewhere. I'll have a look for a 32-team bracket that I can modify later. I'm sorta focusing categorising all the football competitions correctly at the minute. – PeeJay 22:48, 2 April 2008 (UTC)

Well, I did it. The only problem is that I can't get Zenit St Petersburg to stay on one line, but I'm sure we can live with it :D – PeeJay 10:53, 3 April 2008 (UTC)

Why would you need to bold individual items? The whole aggregate score should be bolded, not just the penalty shootout score. – PeeJay 11:57, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Disagree, please change it back to the way it was so that at least we have the option. -- Grant.Alpaugh 20:14, 4 April 2008 (UTC)

Box

Thanks for clearing that up. It's fine now. Good work on cleaning up the other edits in question. --Roehl Sybing (talk) 15:06, 6 April 2008 (UTC)

Major League Soccer

If you will again change this page, you will be bunned for vandalism! US - Jimmy Slade (talk) 19:44, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

Vandalism

{{db-g10}}LASurfer (talk) 21:49, 7 April 2008 (UTC)

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