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Convoy battles

I see you’ve changed the titles on some of the convoy battle pages; do we have a convention for these names, or is this just your personal preference? Because I’ve not seen your format, using a hyphen, in the sources I’ve used, they tend to use full stop or a space. I can live with the hyphenated pages that others have done, but I don’t want us to be perpetuating a mistake, which is why I did them that way; and why, unless we do have a rule about it, I think they should go back to the way they were. Xyl 54 (talk) 13:56, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

PS It is a better sort key, though; the other one seemed to put (for example) SC-7 after SC-26, which would be after SC-121. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:03, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

No rule that I'm aware of per se. I just followed the example of the majority of the other convoy articles. There were about four or five that had "NN.###" versus about 20 or so with "NN-###" style (if I recall the numbers correctly). I don't really have a preference myself, except for consistency. As for sources, Morison's WWII U.S. Navy history and the U.S. Navy's Dictionary of American Naval Fighting Ships seem to use the hyphenated style. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Ah! Morison, of course! I should have remembered!

OTOH that sort of suggests a British/American usage thing, which raises another issue.

But I’m less bothered about the result here than (what I thought was) the implication that I was wrong, when in fact I thought it was me that was right.

And I am also bothered by the ‘consistency’ angle, changing minority pages/things to match the majority, when it’s the majority that might be wrong. Which is an issue I’ve raised here and here. On that subject, can you suggest how I should proceed with this? Xyl 54 (talk) 17:34, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

As I said above, I have no preference other than for consistency. If you believe that they should be changed to Convoy HX.### rather than Convoy HX-###, for example, I'd suggest starting a discusssion on an appropriate page, like Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force. A notice of the discussion WT:MILHIST and WT:SHIPS would be good, too.

Similarly, for U-boat page renames, choose one of Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/Maritime warfare task force or Wikipedia:WikiProject Military history/German military history task force, place a notice of the discussion at the other plus WT:MILHIST and WT:SHIPS as above.

The way I approached the renames was by examining all of the existing articles and observing the de facto consensus (if not an explicitly stated one) and moved the inconsistent articles to match. There's no agenda on my part to Americanize them. Consistency helps editors and readers alike by having articles at the expected location. If I'm writing an article about a ship that was in Convoy HX-235, I want to be able to type in the expected name—whatever that may be—and not have to search for whether this one is at "Convoy HX 235", "Convoy HX.235", or "Convoy HX-235". — Bellhalla (talk) 18:06, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

OK, thanks. Xyl 54 (talk) 10:19, 19 September 2008 (UTC)

SS West Cheswald

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--BorgQueen (talk) 18:08, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Category:Science and technology in Austria-Hungary

Hi, I just noticed that Category:Science and technology in Austria-Hungary (which you created earlier this year) is empty save for Category:Ships of Austria-Hungary. Were you planning on populating it with articles? If it remains empty there's no reason to keep it around -- but I thought it was better to give you the opportunity to populate it rather than taking it straight to CFD. Cgingold (talk) 21:13, 18 September 2008 (UTC)

Hi again, any thoughts on this? Cgingold (talk) 09:40, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

No thoughts. If you wish to remove it, that's fine with me. — Bellhalla (talk) 11:53, 23 September 2008 (UTC)

Admin

Hey. I stumbled across some of your work, and am quite impressed. As a result, I was wondering if you would like to consider adminship at WP:RFA. I'd gladly nominate you if you're interested, let me know. Wizardman 18:27, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

I'd also offer up a co-nom if you're interested? -MBK₀₀₄ 18:37, 21 September 2008 (UTC)

Thank you both for the thought, but at this time, the RFA process is not one I'd rather go through. — Bellhalla (talk) 22:07, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

MS West Honaker DYK

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--Jamie^☆S93 20:04, 22 September 2008 (UTC)

MS West Grama DYK

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Congratulations! Fvasconcellos (t·c) 14:27, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

Russian pronuciation

Dear Bellhalla

My Russian isn't great, and my IPA is barely existant! I've done Tashkent, but I recommend you get somebody to check the IPA in due course. Your transliteration for Zyrianin is also correct, but my bash at the IPA could easily be wrong (although in the ballpark). Incidently, Zyrianin would be translated into English as "Zyrian", a branch an individual of the Komi peoples, in much the same way as an English speaker would name a ship Cossack or Apache.

Yours Shem (talk) 15:14, 25 September 2008 (UTC)

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DYK for SS Empire Simba

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Thank you for your contributions! - Cheers, Mailer Diablo 11:42, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

Hello!

I reviewed your 3 GA nominations: MS West Grama, USAHS Blanche F. Sigman and USS West Corum (ID-3982). Cheers! —the_ed17— 18:28, 28 September 2008 (UTC)

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Convoy battles, again

I’ve had a look at some books for this (and for your question on Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Ships I’ve replied there on that). The hyphen does seem to be American usage; British (and Canadian, if Milner is anything to go by) is full stop or space.
So I’m inclined to move the pages I’ve done to using a full stop, and labelling them for British English. There’s also a strong national interest ( as most of the convoy battles in the Battle of the Atlantic were British or Canadian affairs).
Is that going to cause problems? That's not my intent. Xyl 54 (talk) 14:16, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

Having two naming systems in use would bother me. Which naming style is chosen, not so much. I do think it wise to bring this to a wider audience in case there are others with preferences. After all, before I made any changes, the majority of the articles were named in the hyphenated style. I've started a discussion at WT:MILHIST#Convoy article names, so hold on for the moment to see what the consensus may be. — Bellhalla (talk) 15:06, 1 October 2008 (UTC)

DYK for SS Mauna Loa

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BorgQueen (talk) 03:08, 2 October 2008 (UTC)

Congratulations

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		For prolific work on three ship-related articles – SS Montanan, SS Ohioan (1914) and SS Panaman – all promoted to A-Class in September 2008, by order of the coordinators of the Military history WikiProject, you are hereby awarded the Milhist A-Class medal. -MBK004 16:54, 2 October 2008 (UTC)