Talk:Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets

Points to Consider

Does the point of comparing CoS to Redwall really need to be included? Each part of their respective stories that are about snakes like are obviously influenced by the Perseus/Medusa story, right? -- Hollerama 08 July 2006

About the Ancestor instead of descendant part, I've seen the word Ancestor used for a person that was a descendant on several occasions. I don't know the exact definition of the word (And I'm too lazy to look it up,) and I know the majority of people seem to use it only for those that came before, but it might be that it also means descendants. Meaning, basicly, it means people of the same family. I don't know though, so I won't change anything. Gopherbassist 03:50, 24 July 2007 (UTC)

Storyline

There is no storyline or anything here. Someone really ought to add on. All the other Harry Potter books' articles have more.

Feel free to add it. It would be better to add material to existing Harry Potter articles than to create tiny articles about every place name and spell in the books. Please see your talk page. -- Someone else 06:39, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

It takes a lot of work to write these pages. I was merly suggesting that purhaps I shouldn't do all the work. -- User:12.203.10.240

While your enthusiasm is certainly astonishing, creating so many short articles has already caused people to start combining them, and not always in the best possible way. Your efforts would be better directed to making longer, more inclusive, articles rather than articles on every object, spell or place mentioned in Harry Potter. This has been mentioned numerous times on your talk page. -- Someone else 07:37, 18 Aug 2003 (UTC)

I deleted the rest of this article, because it was a describtion of the Chamber of Secrets.

The Plot

As I have noted on Wikipedia_talk:Spoiler_warning#Harry Potter Madness, the spoiler is far too long. But it doesn't seem to be very accurate either (I am currently fixing errors). Brianjd

Hey I was thinking that perhaps the plot section could be merged into Harry Potter (plot) for the articles of the books. Some of the book articles have more lengthy plot summaries than the plot article, some less lengthy, and I'd like to try and make that more consistent. Any opinions? EvilPhoenix 03:16, May 21, 2005 (UTC)

Hmmm... I swapped the text here with the much shorter overview of the plot in Harry Potter (plot). Is this better? - Alex Nisnevich (talk) 16:19, 20 July 2005 (UTC)

There's no reason for a plot summary so long it can't go in this page. The one at Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - Full Plot Summary needs to be condensed and joined with this one. For discussion on the issue with book 6, see Book 6's VfD and discussions at: MoS, Village Pump, What Wikipedia Is Not, and Wikipedia Fiction Guidlines.

I'd like the full plot summary page deleted as well as any other books' full plot summaries. I have started a plan here to drop all wordy pages and relink to the new HP Wikibook that another user created. Any problems? -Matt 23:43, 29 July 2005 (UTC)

Full plot sumamry moved to the Wikibook and is voting for deletino now. -Matt 18:57, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

There seem to be spoilers in the page that need to be removed from inappropriate sections. -Matt 18:13, 30 July 2005 (UTC)

Yes, i think there might be problems. I just re-edited the plot summary here so it is more readable and makes a bit more sense in the story it is telling. But looking back at the earlier summaries which are many times its length, i have to think that some important details have been left out. There also seem a few contradictions between versions which have crept in. It is no good just referring people to a truly mammoth summary on wikibooks when what they want is something in-between. Sandpiper 00:04, 11 August 2005 (UTC)

Just added a newer Plot Overview edit. Yes, there are still important details that might be missing, but I hope we're closer to having the most direct summary, and having the flow of events clearer without adding in every single scene. Further edits would be appreciated. Cybertooth85 20:50, 24 March 2006 (UTC)

Setting a house-elf free

See Talk:House-elf#Setting a house-elf free (it has a reference to this article). Brian Jason Drake 02:22, 6 June 2006 (UTC)

Images

The Brazilian and French covers do not belong on the English page. They should be on the French and Portuguese Wikipedia equivalents. It might be good for someone to add the British adult cover, however. --Phi*n!x 00:14, 24 June 2006 (UTC)

• Why don't they belong? I always find it interesting to see foreign translations of book and album covers. --cholmes75 ^{(chit chat)} 03:26, 3 July 2006 (UTC)

See Talk:Harry Potter#Foreign language cover images. Brian Jason Drake 06:11, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Points to Consider

I removed a line from "Points to Consider" that was specifically stating a little detail in the movie, which hardly belongs here. If anyone objects, please reply, but I see no reason that it should be left in. If you're curious, the line was "When Harry and Ron exit the Slytherin common room (as Crabbe and Goyle), Ron's bangs aren't red, as they were when Harry and Ron transforming back into themselves, while talking to Draco." -Nyx 03:13, 4 December 2006 (UTC)

Points to Consider: Voldemort's Line

I've traced back the "point" that some versions of the book have reversed the ancestry/descendent mistake to 5 Jan 2004 by an unregistered user whose IP hasn't been seen on Wikipedia for over three years. A quick look shows that the original addition contains misspellings. I'm wondering, does anyone have one of these "reversed" editions, or are there any sources to back up this statement? If not, I doubt it's verifiable and should be removed. (Since Mugglenet says nothing of the like, I am assuming there are no sources to back this up. Therefore, I have indeed removed it). --Crushti 20:27, 10 June 2007 (UTC)

avada kedavra?

when i watch CoS on DVD, lucius' spell is captioned as "vera...." this could be parseltongue, but i don't think it was AVADA KEDAVRA. AK is meant to be performed fast; plus, i think, for the same reasons as snape mentions in HBP, that voldy would get pissed off if harry was killed too soon (plus not being by his hand). 64.91.201.195 02:27, 8 August 2007 (UTC)

Yes, he probobly would be angry. But then agian, everyone knew about Norbert in PS/SS movie, and the Ministry of Magic didn't do anything to Hagrid (but then agian, since when have they EVER done anything right?). And what was with Harry, Ron, Hermione, and Hagrid just randomly taking a stroll through the (dangerous) forest that's supposed to be off-limits in GoF? In short, the movies don't apply the same rules as the books. And he clearly did say "Avada" in the movie. Keyblade Mage 21:48, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Merge in Tom Riddles diary

The article is a regurgitation of the plot of chamber of secrets, and has no notability outside of it, so it should be redirected here. Judgesurreal777 05:02, 12 August 2007 (UTC)

Well, there's a slight bt of notability with it being a Horcrux, but it does deserve the merge. Or, it's probably easier (for clarity purposes in this article) to just convert the whole article to a redirect. Actually, could we merge with Horcrux? Or Voldemort? THE DARK LORD TROMBONATOR 08:00, 13 August 2007 (UTC)

I agree that it should be merged with Horcrux. faithless (^speak) 04:46, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Ok, lets go with Horcrux instead. Judgesurreal777 05:38, 7 September 2007 (UTC)

Here, here. I agree to the move of the diary to Horocrux. Keyblade Mage 21:50, 19 September 2007 (UTC)Keyblade Mage

Fawkes saving Harry

In the article, it said that Fawkes saved Harry after he destroyed the diary. This is wrong, it happened the other way around. I think the person who wrote that is confused with the movie, in which the things happen that way. However, this article is about the book, not the film. I've corrected this. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 19:24, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

Fawkes saves Harry before he destroys the diary in the movie too. He pecks out the eyes of the basilisk. Anakinjmt (talk) 22:11, 18 November 2007 (UTC)

No, no. Fawkes does peck the basilisk's eyes in the movie but saves Harry with his tears after he has destroyed the diary. In the book, Fawkes saves Harry with his tears, then destroys the diary. WKMN? Later [ Let's talk ] 15:05, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Is it? Been a while since I've seen the movie or read the book. Anakinjmt (talk) 16:32, 21 November 2007 (UTC)

Time frame

Philosopher's Stone gives no indication as to what year it takes place. This book, however, establishes 1992. Since the infoboxes for this series give timeframes for the books, I think it's important to establish which book first allowed a calendar date to be calculated, so I have added this information. 68.146.41.232 (talk) 16:46, 12 January 2008 (UTC)

Doesn't seem notable to me to mention which book established the dates, but I'll let others weigh in before changing anything. Anakinjmt (talk) 18:44, 14 January 2008 (UTC)

Sources & notes

Development

• J. K. Rowling ch "Pottermania": trouble finishing Chamber; took draft back for revision for 6 wks (may link to discrepancies in printings); worried it wouldn't live up; hear that 2nd book is hardest to write expectatons (p 77); took top spot in UK bestsellers at expense of Grisham and Clancy (p 78)

Book reviews

• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets -- book review - curledup.com
• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (Harry Potter 2) - about.com; "it's aboiyt identity"
• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - sfreviews.net
• Books To Look For - Charles de Lint; "Rowling is one of the few authors who, while playing fair, has still taken me by surprise with who the villain is in each book"
• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets - The Times
• list of reviews - some 404s, Internet archiving having problems, try again.

Awards

• Crossover Fiction - 1st author to win British Book Awards Children's Book Award 2 yrs running; #1 in over h/b bestsellers in UK for a month;

Commentary

• Screening the gothic - ch "Gothic and the family": nature vs nurture (pp 135-139)
• A guide to the Harry Potter novels - deeper and scarier that "Philospoher's Stone; racism as an issue; "episodes which are unwieldy and unconvincing"; (p 26) Lochart brilliant caricature of celebs, "engaging and very funny"; "flair for more original characterization" w Nearly Headless Nick and Myrtle.
• The irresistible rise of Harry Potter
  • concerns about literacy, esp among males (pp 29-36)
  • Harry sellable to males: male "action" plots; Harry & co. read in order to act (researching the Chamber in this HP book), like Buffy & co,. (pp 36-37)
  • sexist elements: Myrtle whiney sterotype; McGonagall less powerful than Dumbledore except in transfiguration, less wise; Hermione's role diminishes as the series goes on, as does Ron's; Ginny's crush on Harry, Hermione's on Lockhart; Harry's patriarchal inheritance of "this quintessial phallic symbol" the sword (pp 39-43)
• The Gospel According to Harry Potter - Christian messages: freedom for those held captive or as slaves (Harry @ start; Ginny, Dobby); rejection of prejudice based on bloodline; you get what you give (Lockhart) (pp 45-
• Mapping the world of Harry Potter - no religion in HP; (pp 53-60) so interest in fate of souls; (pp 60-62) skill, training, ingenuity and hard work matter most; (pp. 62-63) no absolute right or wrong, e.g. H lies as often as Draco (p. 63) sceptical of organised authority (pp. 63-64)
• J.K. Rowling's Harry Potter novels (Nel) - summary of reviews (pp 54-55)
• Re-Read Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Today! - the weakest of the 7 books, neither the exuberance of the 1st nor the confidence of the rest; as in HPPS, HP fights single-handed V in a space below Hogwarts; (p 1) Ginny is pivotal but little-seen; (p. 2) Riddle/V knew Harry would come, because they are similar (courage, single-mmindedness, breaking rules; cf CoS p 233 "strange likenesses") except in their choices Fawkes deus ex machina (p. 94)
• The ivory tower and Harry Potter as readers & chars grow up, themes get darker, e.g. Harry 7 Ginny nealry die (p 25)
• In Defense of Harry Potter: An Apologia - Hp's non-racism extends to Dobby & Nick.
• Spell-bound? Accounting for unpredictable self-forms in JK Rowling’s Harry Potter stories - (D Hole - Zeitschrift für Anglistik und Amerikanistik, 2002) 404, Internet Archive has problems, try later. --Philcha (talk) 21:16, 24 May 2009 (UTC)
• “Kidlit” as “Law-And-Lit”: Harry Potter and the Scales of Justice (WP MacNeil - Law and Literature, 2002) - mainly about Goblet of Fire, but this is a keeper!
• Sentences in Harry Potter, Students in Future Writing Classes (Rhetoric Review, Vol. 21, No. 2, 2002, 170–87) - on JKR's use of language - another keeper!!
• Harry Potter And The Secular City: The Dialectical Religious Vision Of J.K. Rowling (Animus 9 (2004)) - stimulating on the non-religious aspects

Film

(NB in film HP stab diary before Fawkes heals him) (check aggregators)

• SF Site - News: 25 March 2003 - the second film in the series, "Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets" has become only the third film to surpass $600 million in the international box office (following "Titanic" and "Harry Potter and the Philosopher's Stone")

Game(s)

(check aggregators)

• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets Review for Game Boy Advance
• Harry Potter and the Chamber of Secrets (PS2) - metacritic