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Missing Barnstar (We're in a Level 6 Pandemic, people, so this one's important!)

I looked at all of the barnstars, and I saw that you forgot one, especially when we're in a pandemic period. Look at this page. I received one of the barnstars mentioned there and it is shown on my awards page, yet there is not even a speck of info relating to that barnstar. I suggest someone adds info in this project page, because I don't know how to make a barnstar. Wait a minute, I know how to make that one. Typingwestern015 (talk) 02:13, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

It would probably be most appropriate under the personal user awards page, probably in the topic-related awards section. Nutiketaiel (talk) 11:54, 16 June 2009 (UTC)

If you mean a disease barnstar, I agree with you. If it's a Swine 'Flu barnstar, I don't because it will be gotten rid of like smallpox in no time. So which one do you really want? Kayau (talk) 13:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Linguistic Barnstar

User:Rjanag would like to add the Linguistic barnstar to the topical barnstars. Submitting here for discussion. Is it needed? Is the design appropriate or desireable? Unschool 13:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The Linguistic Barnstar The Linguistic Barnstar may be awarded to those who make outstanding contributions to linguistics- and language-related articles and templates.

Comments

• This design requires some changes since the text is not clear, but the Chinese word on the bottom right corner means 'characters', which is thebasic building block of Chinese words. I therefore think that this barnstar is fairly appropiate. Kayau (talk) 13:39, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• I suppose changing it to somehow make the text more legible couldn't hurt, but I see nothing wrong with the design as it currently stands. I like it. Nutiketaiel (talk) 13:55, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• Nice enough desgin. I suggest placing borders around the letters, I'd do it myself only I don't have a high res picture. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 13:58, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• I think we're seeing a trend here. The text is simply difficult to read. I support having this barnstar, but it needs to be clear what is on it. Kingpin's idea sounds like a major improvement, if someone is able to do it. (I sure can't—on the Graphics Capabilities Continuum, User:Rectilinium is at one end, and I'm at the opposite end.) Unschool 14:03, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• It's a nice idea, but it's not yet ready for prime time due to poor graphic design. —Eustress ^talk 14:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• Aw, come on guys, let's get serious here. Not everybody is a great graphic designer, and I don't think we should be rejecting a barnstar just because it doesn't look perfect. It looks pretty good, better than some, it clearly gets across what it is supposed to represent, and it is a topic we don't have a barnstar for yet. If someone later wants to sweep in and put borders around the letters to make them more distinct, that would be great, but in the meantime I don't think we should reject it just because the design isn't perfect. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:48, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• I agree with Nutiketaiel. I'm sure this was a lot of work, and it looks pretty good. The characters could be made more visible, but let's get the barnstar out there and worry about the minor cosmetic issues later. --JBC3 (talk) 16:09, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I have to disagree. All I can see is a regular Barnstar with some marks. I looked at this several times before I realized that the Latin alphabet "Aa" was in the middle, and that's the easiest part to read. And it looks like there's some kind of tail on the lower case, but I can't be sure if that's part of the character or just left over from the barnstar's shadow. I think it's worth correcting first. Unschool 21:52, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed Biography Barnstar

User:Kayau would like to add the Biography barnstar to the topical barnstars. Submitting here for discussion. Is it needed? Is the design appropriate or desireable? Unschool 13:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
The Biography Barnstar The Biography Barnstar is awarded to editors with a considerable contribution to bipgraphic articles.

Comments

• Since I created this barnstar, I will not comment on whether to keep it or not. I will explain the design here. The background is black with a white person, which resembles the black-and-white photographs of famous people such as Twain and Einstein. The dates of Albert Einstein are in the foreground because he is the most influencial person in the history of the world. Kayau (talk) 13:41, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• The person doesn't really look person enough... It's an okay background. But if I didn't look at the title I'd presume it was a keyhole. Suggest slight redesign on this one, maybe actually have a proper picture of some one, or even a group of someones, rather than centring around one person. - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 14:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• I don't think we should be using a set of specific dates. Especially not Albert Einstein, since he is not the most influential person in the world and claiming that he is is just subjective nonsense. Claiming any one individual is "the most influencial person in the history of the world" [sic] is inherently subjective and based on the opinions of one individual. And don't bring up that stupid Time magazine thing to try to support your Einstein claim- first off, they were referring to the 20th century, not all time, and secondly the only reason they picked Einstein was because picking a certain political figure who, however evil, had way more influence on the shape of the 20th century than Einstein did would have been insanely unpopular and polarizing. Just use the star with the silhouette, it looks fine that way. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• I agree with Nutiketaiel that the dates are not the best choice, and I agree with Kingpin that the silhouette needs to be more distinctive. I really like the background a lot. So sharpen up the outline, remove the dates, and perhaps consider increasing the size to something closer to the other barnstars. Cheers. Unschool 14:08, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• This barely resembles a barnstar, so if it's used as is, I'd prefer it be listed on a different award page and not WP:BS. Parenthetically, is there a way to merge this idea with the BLP Barnstar. We have so many barnstars already and need to avoid making them too specific. —Eustress ^talk 14:44, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• If you don't like the dates, What do you think should be in the foreground? The word biography? Also, I want to ask what the person included should be. Einstein? Shakespeare? Confucius? Newton? Dickens? Beethoven? Da Vinci? Obama? Please give me suggestions. Kayau (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)
• What about just a generic bust or outline thereof? No dates, no specific individual. --JBC3 (talk) 16:14, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

By the way, what is the normal size for barnstars? Kayau (talk) 15:02, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I don't think we should include a person, or any words at all really. Just the star and silhouette should get the point across. As for size, they vary based on design. The image ends up being 100 px, but I think they are saying that most barnstars tend to have less border space around them. I think the size is OK (variety is the spice of life), but take a look at it side by side with the original barnstar and you'll see the difference. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:21, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

But if I just alter it so that it looks like a barnstar, and keep neither the person nor the words, nobody would know if it's a biography barnstar! I'd prefer adding three elements, three people from different ages, such as Socarates, Shakespeare and Hemingway.

Kayau (talk) 00:21, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

And Besides, it's hard to make it look more like a barnstar and

keep the silhouette at the same time, but I'll try. Kayau (talk) 00:24, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• The person(if that even is one) looks hardly anything like a person. Abce2|AccessDenied 00:23, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Another editor has already expressed his concerns about this. Please give me time. I will be able to finish it by Sunday night, Hong Kong time. Kayau (talk) 00:25, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Sorry about that, I'm new to this part of the project.Abce2|AccessDenied 00:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

No need to apologise! I am new also. Kayau (talk) 04:32, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• I now lay the two new versions here, side by side, since editors have differed in opinion. Please decide on the best one (or the cross of both).

• 
  Version 1
• 
  Version 2

I am very, very sorry, but I've been trying to revert and stuff. Whenever I revert it, they seem to switch. Just see the history at the commons. I've been very, very flabbergasted with this. Can anyone help me revert it back to the one with Socrates, Shakespeare and Einstein? Kayau (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Kayau (talk) 11:27, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

As they are at the moment, version 2 is nicer. But that's just because version 1 isn't properly merged. I can't really decide which design I prefer - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 11:33, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Will you be kind enough to help me change it so that everyone can see? Thank you. Kayau (talk) 11:34, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Oh, stupid me. Only I can revert it. Can anyone advise me how to do it? Kayau (talk) 11:36, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

• Good. It's normal now. Allow me to explain the versions. Version 1 contains three images that replaced the keyhole thingie. They are all from the Commons. Version 2 has a barnstar made black-and-white and slightly altered. Personally, I prefer number 1 because it (seems to) fit(s) more editors' fancy. I will observe the discussion and give comments. Kayau (talk) 12:00, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I kind of like #1 better, but the problem is that it's Three White Males, and that might be seen as POV by some. I don't know why, but #2, the two full-body sillhouettes, just doesn't work for me. Having said that, my favorite was probably the single person shoulders and above sillhouette. Unschool 21:55, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Ad-hoc barnstar clean-up

I propose moving the following barnstars to WP:PUA, as they are address too narrow a scope to be on WP:BS —Eustress ^talk 14:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

• The Wikilink Barnstar
• The Red Link Removal Barnstar

I strongly disagree. Both of these barnstars commend actions that help wikipedia as a whole and the improvement of articles in general, and the actions they describe can be applied to any article. They do not belong under personal user awards. Nutiketaiel (talk) 14:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

But aren't they just as well served with The Cleanup Barnstar and a plethora of others? —Eustress ^talk 15:16, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

By that rationale, the cleanup barnstar could probably replace a cool dozen. Doesn't mean we should do it, though- there's nothing wrong with being specific when rewarding someone a barnstar; it makes it more clear what you're awarding it for, and can encourage others viewing the barnstar on a recipient's page to take similiar productive actions on Wikipedia. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:28, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Nutiketaiel is on the money here, both in regards to these being personal user awards and in regards to using the Cleanup instead. Are they narrow? Yes. But they serve to reward some very important work, IMHO. Keep. Unschool 21:57, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Just an idea

What about a toy barnstar, for editors who have contributed greatly to toy related articles? I've made a little test of what it would look like (I used a picture, becuase I'm not that good with making my own) if anyone wants to see it. Abce2|AccessDenied 14:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Sure, post it here so we can all see and discuss. I don't think we have a barnstar for that topic. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:00, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Toy Barnstar
		For editors who have contiubuted greatly to Toy related articles

That's not bad looking. It would probably go best as a personal user award, though, given its limited scope. If you didn't make it, did you check with the wikipedian that did to see if he is cool with using it as such? It isn't technically necessary, since the image is public domain, but it would be polite. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:11, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, I've asked. So now what can I do with it while waiting for a reply? Abce2|AccessDenied 15:15, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Not a barnstar, so would go under WP:PUA, unless you could connect the ribbon to a barnstar. —Eustress ^talk 15:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Well, you can still use it, asking is a courtesy. Looking at the guy's edit record, it seems that he isn't here very often so it will probably be a while before you get a reply. No sense waiting forever. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:23, 19 June 2009 (UTC

I'm working on a better picture, but how do you import a picture? Abce2|AccessDenied 15:36, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

You're probably best off going to commons to do it. There's a whole how to guide there. Nutiketaiel (talk) 15:59, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

I just tried that, and I'd rather have put in personal user awards for a while while I work on touching up the image than deal with Commons for the first time. Abce2|AccessDenied 16:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

How do you put it in?Abce2|AccessDenied 16:19, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Now I'm starting on a new one. Abce2|AccessDenied 16:47, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Toy Barnstar
		For editors who have contiubuted greatly to Toy related articles

I really like this one. It's purpose is completely clear from the image, and the image itself is rather nice. Nutiketaiel (talk) 18:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice... Really nice. You should put in a better source than "Wikipedia", a link to the toy soldier picture, and a link to the barnstar (I presume we already have pictures for them and you merged them together? Anyway, nice job - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 18:01, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Better sources now. :)Abce2|AccessDenied 18:05, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Nice. I like it. --JBC3 (talk) 18:07, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Now the sources have 10% less confusion. Abce2|AccessDenied 18:12, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Great, I say go ahead and add it to WP:BARN. The way to do this is create a template page, witht the barnstar on it (you can copy and modify from Template:The Original Barnstar). And then add it to the bottom of Wikipedia:Barnstars#Topical_Barnstars (just copy and modify from the one above). If you need help with any of it just ask :) - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 18:17, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

It's finished and up there! Abce2|AccessDenied 18:49, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

An idea 2

I've looked up and down the list of Barnstars and I've noiticed that there's no Biology star. If there is one, I feel stupid. Anyway...I've got some time to kill(literaly waiting for paint to dry) so should I start on one? Please let me know either here or on my talk page.Abce2|AccessDenied 21:52, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

As soon as you give the signal I'm ready too start.Abce2|AccessDenied 22:42, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

		The Biology Barnstar
		For editors who have contiubuted greatly to Biology related articles

It's just a prototype. Abce2|AccessDenied 23:18, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Anyone? Abce2|AccessDenied 23:30, 19 June 2009 (UTC)

Actually there is a barnstar for contributions to biology related articles ({{Bio-star}}). It's listed in Wikipedia:Awards by WikiProject since it's a Wikiproject Barnstar of WikiProject Biology. I think that one is better and should stay, but nice effort from you. Chamal ^talk 03:58, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Yeah I've got to agree, mine looks horrible compared to that one. But I would think that it would be on the Barnstars list. Abce2|AccessDenied 04:01, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Just an Enquiry

Do you have a neutrality barnstar? I don't recall seeing one, but it soundsd strange if there isn't any. If there isn't, can someone make it? Kayau (talk) 04:56, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

This is indeed strange. NPOV is a one of the main aspects of Wikipedia and I feel there should be a barnstar for that. Apparently there was a discussion somewhere around 2006 to introduce a NPOV barnstar but it seems to have been abandoned. We can either pick one of the old proposals or make a new one. Personally, I think none of the old ones give the idea of NPOV clearly. I'll try to come up with something if they won't do. Chamal ^talk 07:05, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

We could have something similar to File:Wikipedia scale of justice.png but with barnstars instead of the logo...? - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:08, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I also thought scales would be a good idea. Chamal ^talk 07:29, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

I'm working on an image at the moment. Done one half (So I just need to flip it (seriously, even that is difficult in Corel PHOTO-PAINT ;D)). But I'm literally walking out the door, I'll upload it in an hour or so - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 07:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Okay, it's done, but I'm just wondering about the copyright. I presume the copyright for File:Wikipedia scale of justice.png only applies to the logo...? Or should I check? - Kingpin¹³ (talk) 09:46, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Apparently, they mean the image, but the use in Wikipedia may be acceptable. I suggest you seek advice at the Wikimedia Commons Help Desk. Kayau (talk) 12:11, 20 June 2009 (UTC)

Proposed World War Barnstar

I would like to add the Biography barnstar to the topical barnstars. Kayau (talk) 13:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC) The World War Barnstar The World War Barnstar is awarded to editors with a considerable contribution to world war-related articles.