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A suggestion you barnstar people have probably gotten before, but should read anyway, just in case[edit]

Why is the Fauna Barnstar not a barnstarfish?

WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 03:41, 5 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, WikiSquirrel42! In response to your question: I think that "barnstarfish" is a good pun! However, more practically, as barnstar descriptors (those pieces of text which say what type of barnstar a barnstar is - I think that just coined the term) currently always come before the word Barnstar, I think that having any descriptors after the word Barnstar might be confusing. Also, since there different Barnstar versions (currently Barnstar 1.0 and Barnstar 2.0), this could cause confusion if Barnstars as a whole were updated, but Barnstarfish were not.
Example: Barnstars get updated to 3.0. Barnstarfish do not. Later, Barnstars get updated to 4.0. So do Barnstarfish. Is the Barnstarfish which is a Barnstar 4.0 a Barnstarfish 4.0, despite never having had a third version, or is it a Barnstarfish 3.0, since this is its third version (despite being a Barnstar 4.0)?
At any rate, thanks for asking!
Noah Kastin (talk) 23:59, 6 April 2017 (UTC)
Oh. I meant the image. The name can stay the same, and it's still a barnstar. Also, each barnstar's image should, in my opinion anyway, be updated separately.
WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 21:44, 23 April 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42: Thanks for the clarification! Are you suggesting that the Fauna Barnstar (maybe 2.0) should somehow resemble a starfish, rather than its current amalgam of animal patterns? Thanks again for the clarification! Noah Kastin (talk) 02:43, 24 April 2017 (UTC)
Yes, that's what I meant. I can see why that might be a bit confusing. This was actually just meant as a pun, but I'm still really glad it was taken seriously! This should definitely be a thing. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 01:45, 27 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, WikiSquirrel42! Now I suppose that the next question would be: How would the barnstar resemble a starfish? I can think of a few ways that it could do that:
  1. It could be starfish-colored (and maybe starfish-patterned) and have a hole through its center to indicate that it is a barnstar.
  2. Alternatively, it could have a starfish mouth in its center instead of a hole.
  3. It could have a picture of a starfish in its center.
What do you think of these suggestions?
If you would prefer another design that I haven't thought of, please let me know!
Thanks again for the update!
Noah Kastin (talk) 06:47, 27 April 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Definitely the first one. Also, thanks again for taking me seriously - you're actually the first person who I've gotten into a real Wikipedia conversation with, since I've only had an account for a few weeks! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 22:12, 30 April 2017 (UTC)

@WikiSquirrel42: About the barnstar: Thanks for picking a barnstar design! By the way, I just realized that starfish come in many colors, so if you want a particular color of barnstarfish, please let me know.
About taking you seriously: You're welcome! I enjoy seeing people come up with new ideas and trying to help people make their ideas work.
I also wanted to let you know that I added an Outdent connector bar in this edit. Outdent is a handy little thing that lets you outdent from a conversation, reducing clutter, while still being able to track the conversation flow. This may be the first time I've used it, but it looks very useful!
Thanks again for the barnstar design picking!
Noah Kastin (talk) 22:50, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
A leather star would be nice. Let me know if you get it approved by whoever is supposed to make decisions on the subject. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 23:01, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the color choice! By leather, do you mean a leather-like color? Maybe something like this would fit the description of "leather": ••••••••••••••••
About "getting [the barnstar] approved by whoever is supposed to make decisions on the subject", Wikipedia:Barnstars#Adding a barnstar says:

If you would like a barnstar to be added to the list, please discuss it at WikiProject Wikipedia Awards talk page. Please don't add it without a consensus!

I'm not sure if consensus can be reached in this discussion, but if it can't, then I'll start a new discussion proposing the Fauna Barnstar 2.0 patrern. (I'm also not sure if adding new images for barnstars requires consensus, or how broad consensus has to be. However, I'm sure we can make it work somehow.)
Thanks again for the color choice!
Noah Kastin (talk) 23:31, 30 April 2017 (UTC)
I was actually thinking of the species of starfish called a leather star. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 17:48, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, WikiSquirrel42! I did not realize that leather stars existed. Looking at pictures of them, it seems that they are somewhere between these two colors:
  1. ••••••••••••••••
  2. ••••••••••••••••
Was one of these the approximate color you had in mind? If not, can you help me figure what color you do want?
Thanks again for the update!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:33, 12 June 2017 (UTC)
I was thinking of simply using the starfish's pattern, or just a picture of the starfish, with a hole in the middle. The pictures I got when I did a Google Images search for "leather star" are what I was using as a reference. Sorry for being so picky. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 01:06, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the reply, WikiSquirrel42! Don't worry about being picky; after all, the barnstar has to look exactly one way, so figuring out exactly how the barnstar should look is useful.
I am working on finding an adequate image for the leather star. I'll let you know when I find one.
Thanks again for the reply!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:17, 13 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────I bet the Wikimedia Commons has some good ones. If all else fails, you can always just do what I did and use Google Images. Thanks! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 21:42, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

@WikiSquirrel42: Thanks for the suggestion to search Wikimedia Commons! I just did a quick search there, and while I couldn't find any images for leather stars, I did find this nice starfish picture:
Please let me know if you like this picture.
Thanks again for the suggestion!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:51, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Beware, it's reversed! [Humor]. It's actually a very good idea. —PaleoNeonate - 23:20, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: What is a very good idea? Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:31, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
The starfish image, sorry for not being clear. —PaleoNeonate - 23:32, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, PaleoNeonate! Now I'm just waiting for WikiSquirrel42 to give it the go-ahead. Thanks again! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:37, 18 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────We can use that. Just be sure to turn it right side up and put in the hole, so people know it's a barnstar. Oh, and it should be a Barnstar 2.0, so people can still use the old version if they want. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 23:12, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestions, WikiSquirrel42! I will see if I can turn the image into a barnstar with your changes in mind; however, if anyone wants to turn the image into a barnstar before I get around to doing so, go ahead! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:42, 20 June 2017 (UTC)
@WikiSquirrel42 and PaleoNeonate: I tried to turn commons:File:Reef0297.jpg into a barnstar, and had great difficulty doig so. However, I drew my own barnstar, taking commons:File:Original Barnstar Hires.png, re-coloring it, and adding circles, making it look similar to a leather star (based on commons:File:Leather star fish.jpg). The effect is, I think, approximately the same effect that WikiSquirrel42 had originally requested, albeit obtained by different means. Once I can figure out how to upload a picture to Wikimedia Commons, I will upload my self-drawn picture, and see what you think of it.
Please let me know if this abrupt change in plans is a problem, or if you have any other questions or suggestions.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 10:53, 24 June 2017 (UTC)
I suppose we'll know whether or not it will work when we see it! And Noah, if you need help with uploading you could always ask the Teahouse or one of the other places Wikipedia has for answering questions. WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 00:52, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion, WikiSquirrel42!
I have found some useful ways to upload images, such as commons:Special:UploadWizard (which I plan to use for uploading my image).
I will try to upload my image soon, but I am not sure how soon I will be able to do so.
Thanks again for the suggestion!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 21:06, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I just uploaded my image, located at commons:File:Barnstar Leather Star.png. @WikiSquirrel42 and Septegram: Please let me know what you think of it. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:00, 25 June 2017 (UTC)
I meant to also ping PaleoNeonate, whose opinions are also requested. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:36, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
(edit conflict) Please also see User talk:Noah Kastin#Starfish (permalink) although it would be best to resume the thread here. I think that Noah's looks more like a barnstar, this one I uploaded could possibly still serve for other types of awards. Thanks, —PaleoNeonate - 01:38, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the update, PaleoNeonate! I like your barnstar picture, although I think that it would work better as a barnstar 1.0 than as a barnstar 2.0. It would definitely be useful for other types of awards, such as placing on users' user pages as a personal user award.
I'm glad that you like my picture! I'm not quite sure how much it looks like a leather star or a barnstar 2.0, but for those questions to be answered, I think I would need input from WikiSquirrel42 and Antonu, respectively.
Thanks for the link to the Starfish discussion on my talk page! Should it be changed to a link to the section on my talk page (rather than a revision of my talk page) for accuracy?
Thanks again for everything!
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 01:54, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
The permalink includes the section anchor and makes sure that the link will remain available despite future archival, but if you leave the thread there forever, or if you archive it, a more conventional link pointing exactly where it'll remain would be fine too of course... For clarity I've updated the link to show that it's from your user page. —PaleoNeonate - 02:25, 26 June 2017 (UTC)
@PaleoNeonate: Thanks for the information, and for updating the link! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 02:29, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────No offense, Noah, but that doesn't exactly look like a starfish, although I can see where you were going with it. What we need to do is Photoshop the picture of the starfish onto a barnstar-shape. Or we could just have a starfish with a hole in the middle - it doesn't even have to be a leather star. As long as it has five arms and looks sufficiently starfishy, I'll settle for it. The leather star was my first choice, though. Also, if there are other designs any of you have come up with, I'd like to see them! WikiSquirrel42 (talk) 19:41, 26 June 2017 (UTC)

Thanks for the reply, WikiSquirrel42! I can see why my barnstar does not look much like a starfish.
I like the idea of Photoshopping the starfish onto a barnstar; I tried to do that myself, but found that difficult. I can try again, though.
As for making a starfish with a hole through the center: I think that I could do this fairly easily by putting a hole through commons:File:Reef0297 award.png (PaleoNeonate's award). While this would make a nice barnstar, it probably would not qualify as a barnstar 2.0, due to it not being the exact same shape as the other barnstar 2.0s. If anyone is interested in me putting a hole through PaleoNeonate's award and uploading it as a separate file (or overwriting the current one), please let me know.
If anyone has any other questions or suggestions, please let me know.
Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 00:22, 27 June 2017 (UTC)
I have not tried this, but it may possible to pickup a bitmap pattern from the starfish (Reef0297), transform it into a tillable pattern for use with fills, then create the barnstar outline and fill its inside with that pattern... I'm not sure what the end result would be, but the shape would be certain to have been predefined. Another idea would be to paste/draw a barnstar outline on top of the starfish image and to use the erase tool manually around that border, then use blur/smudge tools to enhance the border's antialiasing against the background... For the award version I've made (using Gimp on a BSD OS), what I did was fuzzy-select the star, copy/paste it into a new image, resize it, as well as its canvas to 1024x1024 and center the image into that canvas (which was then a transparent layer). I fixed irregularities with some blur and smudging, then added a background layer filled with the background color of barnstars. I then adjusted the colors of the foreground/star layer until it was properly contrasting against the background layer, using the color envelope filter. Finally, I deleted the temporary background layer and exported the result to a transparent PNG image. —PaleoNeonate - 03:04, 27 June 2017 (UTC)

Use cases/Utilization of barnstars[edit]

I'm new to editing, and not sure how to put in barnstars or suggest that another person (Widr) receive one. Can someone help me? Thx in advance!

Creeper Ninja (talk) 01:13, 21 April 2017 (UTC)

Hi, Creeper Ninja! Thanks for asking! In reply to your questions:
To give someone a barnstar, you can use the following text (in wiki-markup):
{{subst:barnstarname|1=message ~~~~|2=alt}}
barnstarname should be replaced with the name of the barnstar you want to give.
message should be replaced with the message you want to accompany the barnstar.
2 is a parameter that, when set to alt (2=alt), makes the barnstar appear as a Barnstar 2.0. If the parameter is omitted, the barnstar will appear as a Barnstar 1.0.
Here is an example of a barnstar:
Actual barnstar:
Original Barnstar Hires.png The Original Barnstar
For great awesomeness. Noah Kastin (talk) 10:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
Wiki markup used to create it:
{{subst:The Original Barnstar|1=For great awesomeness. ~~~~|2=alt}}
For a list of all barnstars, see Wikipedia:Barnstars#Barnstars.
Now to answer your other question: As for suggesting that another person receive a barnstar, usually no suggestion is necessary. As Wikipedia:Barnstars says:

To give the award to someone, just place the image on their talk page (or their awards page), and explain why it was given. If you are sure the barnstar is appropriate, don't be shy!

In this case, Widr, the user you seemed to be nominating for a barnstar, has all of their awards on their user page, which is currently fully protected. This means that only administrators can edit Widr’s user page. However, you could try dropping a barnstar on Widr’s talk page, with a note (not in the message slot) asking Widr to move it to their user page.
One final note: Before giving out a barnstar, you might want to consider whether you should give a barnstar, or instead give some smaller token of appreciation. Other types of ways of showing appreciation towards other users' efforts include Personal user awards (such as WikiCookies), the Thanks feature), and simple talk page comments stating appreciation. However, as Wikipedia:Barnstars says, and I quoted earlier:

If you are sure the barnstar is appropriate, don't be shy!

If you have any questions, please let me know.
Noah Kastin (talk) 10:50, 21 April 2017 (UTC)
@Noah Kastin:, thanks for putting this here. May I suggest you move it to the actual article page? I'm about to give someone a barnstar, and if I hadn't thought to look here I might have missed your instructions. I was concerned / confused about the "2=alt" business, and wasn't sure what, if anything, I needed to put there.
*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 01:50, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the suggestion and for the compliment, Septegram! I would be happy to place the text on whichever article you are suggesting that I put it on. However, I'm not quite sure which article you are suggesting that I add the text to, or which text you are suggesting that I add. If you could clarify this, I would greatly appreciate that! Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:04, 13 June 2017 (UTC)
Arg. Sorry, @Noah Kastin:; I was looking at the article Wikipedia:Barnstars and clicked on the talk page, which apparently redirects here. I was suggesting that instructions on how to give a barnstar be posted there (unless they are already there and I missed them).
*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 18:19, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
Thanks for the clarification, Septegram! I will post the instructions at Wikipedia:Barnstars, as the instructions are not already there. Thanks again for the clarification! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:08, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
@Septegram: I have now posted the instructions (in this edit). If you have any suggestions on how to change this section, please let me know. Thanks! Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 23:29, 16 June 2017 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Thanks, Noah Kastin! I can't think of any changes that would improve it.

Best regards,

*Septegram*Talk*Contributions* 20:10, 19 June 2017 (UTC)

Non-free image use[edit]

I occasionally come across a barnstar which uses a non-free image. Most of these appears to be one-time things created for a specific purpose, but non-free content is only allowed to be used in the article namespace per WP:NFCC#9. Is there any guidance given to using images in barnstars? Can something be added to it about non-free image use if it's not already mentioned? -- Marchjuly (talk) 01:39, 28 April 2017 (UTC)

Should I get approval for a new barnstar?[edit]

Well, specifically in Wikipedia Arabic. The guideline page there is unclear, the talk page inactive, and if I did a wrong move a hundred Islamist admins will be after my blood, as I am highly controversial there. I want to make a barnstar called "Neutrality and Rationality". please mention me using {{ping|SammyMajed}}. thanks.  • Sammy Majed  • Talk  • Creations • Wikipedia Arabic  • 09:57, 19 May 2017 (UTC)

@SammyMajed: Thanks for asking! I have no idea what the policy is on the Arabic Wikipedia, but here's what I can find on the English Wikipedia:
Wikipedia:Barnstars (more specifically, Wikipedia:Barnstars#Adding a barnstar) says:

If you would like a barnstar to be added to the list, please discuss it at WikiProject Wikipedia Awards talk page. Please don't add it without a consensus! Barnstars without consensus will be removed. There is a guideline at Wikipedia:Barnstars 2.0/Guidelines how to create a Barnstar 2.0.

Wikipedia:WikiProject Wikipedia Awards says:

If you have a design for a new award, you can propose the award on the project talk page

It is recommended that new Barnstars be shared at the talk page; many users have posted Barnstars at WP:BS without realizing that their Barnstar idea had already been in place.

That's all I can find right now. I hope it helps!
Noah Kastin (talk) 00:00, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Custom award utility template[edit]

In case it can be useful to others: User:PaleoNeonate/Awards/Custom seems mostly ready. If not considered redundant with another similar template in official Template space, it could eventually be moved to something like Template:Custom_user_award or the like. It appears to work, here are two awards posted using it (substituted): first and second. Thanks, — PaleoNeonate — 04:41, 25 May 2017 (UTC)

This template looks great, PaleoNeonate! I haven't found a similar template so far, but if I do, I'll let you know. Again, great template! I look forward to using it. Noah Kastin (talk) (🖋) 22:43, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
I'm glad if it can be useful. I'm surprised if it didn't already exist, because we have a similar template for userboxes, {{Userbox}}. I have improved the template to more closely look like that userbox template, but it still requires some more testing. I meanwhile noticed that {{Custom award}} already exists (although unrelated), so will also have to find an alternative name for the final result Face-smile.svg. — PaleoNeonate — 03:33, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
{{Useraward}}, Non-exemplary demo. I'm not sure if this should be linked to, perhaps in a side template box of user awards... — PaleoNeonate — 07:11, 26 May 2017 (UTC)
Wikipedia:Award templates are similar, although simpler and more official, it seems. Since I don't think that my toy template belongs there, I put it at Wikipedia:Personal_user_awards#See_also for now. Feel free to move/add elsewhere if necessary. Thanks, — PaleoNeonate — 07:39, 26 May 2017 (UTC)