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You obviously have done good work with Quincy related subjects but I am strongly urging you to undo the rest of the pronunciation edits you made to articles that I am not personally changing. As a permanent resident of Quincy, I can tell you that I and my neighbors are inclined to accept that people across the country grew up saying John "Kwinsee" Adams and expect that pronunciation from outside the region. If you think it would be helpful to include that information in the biographical articles about members of the Quincy family and the JQA article, you could insert it as a footnote or somewhere within the article, but not in the lead sentence. Although we are using the correct family pronunciation here in Quincy, it is mostly unfamiliar and jarring to nearly everyone else who reads these articles. Let the explanation at the main city article, which is nicely done, explain the anomaly that is our own pronunciation but please don't challenge the way it is pronounced nearly everywhere else in the world. [[User:Sswonk|Sswonk]] ([[User talk:Sswonk|talk]]) 05:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)
You obviously have done good work with Quincy related subjects but I am strongly urging you to undo the rest of the pronunciation edits you made to articles that I am not personally changing. As a permanent resident of Quincy, I can tell you that I and my neighbors are inclined to accept that people across the country grew up saying John "Kwinsee" Adams and expect that pronunciation from outside the region. If you think it would be helpful to include that information in the biographical articles about members of the Quincy family and the JQA article, you could insert it as a footnote or somewhere within the article, but not in the lead sentence. Although we are using the correct family pronunciation here in Quincy, it is mostly unfamiliar and jarring to nearly everyone else who reads these articles. Let the explanation at the main city article, which is nicely done, explain the anomaly that is our own pronunciation but please don't challenge the way it is pronounced nearly everywhere else in the world. [[User:Sswonk|Sswonk]] ([[User talk:Sswonk|talk]]) 05:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)

==Project Tags==
Thanks, I'm trying to update the NAIA schools. Smaller schools usually have lower quality articles. Here's a question that maybe you can help me with. Sometimes I see Project Banners for Education and Schools in a US College/University talk. So far, I've been changing those out for the University Project tag, so there is a wee bit of uniformity. Am I right in doing so? It is very rare to see one, but just doubling checking. PEACE.[[User:Moonraker0022|Moonraker0022]] ([[User talk:Moonraker0022|talk]]) 19:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)

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TTU scarlet/red

I have started a discussion on this at: Wikipedia talk:WikiProject Texas Tech University#"Scarlet" vs "red". Please give your thoughts. Thanks! →Wordbuilder (talk) 16:30, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, Wordbuilder. King of the Arverni (talk) 19:43, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No problem. Thanks for weighing in. →Wordbuilder (talk) 19:53, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MNU

Look, I gave points on the talk page, I even gave sources from MNU, and a MAP. Stop reverting all my edits, and calling me a vandal. We need to get into some WP:DR Moonraker0022 (talk) 19:31, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Yes, I've asked another editor to take a look. Your edits were not sufficient. 19 (the new source) is not 20 (your claim) and 15 comes from an independent, reliable, third-party source, an encyclopedia. If you'd read WP:V any of the times I offered you the link, you'd know the difference. --King of the Arverni (talk) 19:35, 18 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I've been distracted but finally responded at Talk:MidAmerica Nazarene University#Distance from Kansas City. Let me know what you think. --King of the Arverni (talk) 17:08, 19 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Moonraker, I forgot to address this with everything content-driven going on, but I've asked you to read WP:TALK before. Please do not shout on my talk page (or at me anywhere else, for that matter, as you did here). I haven't called you a vandal, to my knowledge. Diffs would help me remember if that really happened. King of the Arverni (talk) 16:33, 20 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You just added an "other uses" template to the above article, but it points to MANC (disambiguation) – a redlink. Is that what you meant to do? Nev1 (talk) 23:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Never mind. Nev1 (talk) 23:55, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries; sorry I didn't work faster! King of the Arverni (talk) 23:56, 22 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

On my talk page you wrote:

I agree, HotCat really does kill when it comes to edit summaries. My apologies for the confusion! King of the Arverni (talk) 21:15, 26 May 2009 (UTC)

No apology needed. :) Thanks for catcleaning! :) - sinneed (talk) 21:51, 26 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Manual of Style

The example for the University Infobox clearly shows a title, and shows the STATE spelled out. I won't quarrel over if USA needs to be United States like the rest of the University articles, but again. The Nazarene Schools articles are not yours, you can help, but making blank reverts of my edits, which are trying to conform to the rest of the style that Universities (even feature articled University pages, have Titles, more articles have them than don't so it's probably a matter of personal taste. I think we should add a title because if someone earned a Ph. D., why would you not address them as such? If they are just a Prof, you're right there does not seem a need to use a Prof distinction. You cannot deny the fact that the state is written out in the University Guide for Infobox's...and there is an overwhelming amount of University articles that all have them spelled out too. Learn to pick your battles better. And again, stop automatically reverting my edits. You are not the master-in-chief for the article. You are going too far. Moonraker0022 (talk) 01:31, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Stop being juvenile and shouting at other editors. If you'd paid any attention to my most recent edit, you'd notice that I didn't change it again; it was silly of me not to check on that when I reviewed the UNI examples along with the MOS earlier re: academic titles (I double-checked them and agree on this point, even if it was foolish if you to pipe the link to itself). King of the Arverni (talk) 01:36, 31 May 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Silly me, I didn't even read the second part of the rant. I did check the example articles at UNI and 9 of 11 featured articles (you use featured articles to bolster your arguments) eschewed academic titles. I also asked another editor at UNI who agreed that it's standard to eschew them, and we both determined that they should be avoided per WP:CREDENTIAL, even though the other editor didn't personally agree. King of the Arverni (talk) 17:00, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

New England School of Law

Thanks for your assistance. Responded to many of your points on the school's page. Neslgrad09 (talk) 12:30, 3 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Removal of template from Quincy seal file

Hello, Averniking. I have removed the {{ShouldBeSVG}} template you placed on the File:Quincy_seal.png image. I have done this for a couple of reasons: first, the image is not the type that can be easily or gracefully converted to SVG. From the category description, "Images composed of simple shapes, lines, and letters such as those below should be recreated using vector graphics as an SVG file." The image is a hand painted seal, with many subtle variations of tone and color. To recreate it in vector form would create a more posterized or cartoon like image which would rob the viewer of the ability to view the seal in its natural state. Second, please see the history of the seal I have added at File_talk:Quincy_seal.png. Given that the history of the seal vividly describes the desire of the founders of the city to capture the natural landscape of Mount Wollaston based upon an existing sketch they agreed upon, I fell that the full color painted version taken from a city document best represents the intentions of those men. I have a somewhat clearer and smoother version of the logo from another city document which I have yet to prepare for upload but which I will upload in the near future, possibly today. I am sure you will be happy with it and after reading the history will agree that it is best left as a raster image of the painted seal. If you have any questions or comments I will be happy to discuss them with you. Sswonk (talk) 06:19, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You know what, you're right. I totally agree. --King of the Arverni (talk) 15:15, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

UNI

ElKevbo does a tremendous amount of work fighting vandalism across all university articles and I really can't commend him enough given everything he does. We don't always see eye to eye on a lot of issues (e.g., he's more willing to permit what I see as boosterism as long as its reliably cited). User:Alanraywiki also does some great cross-university article work fighting vandals and spam. User:Jamesontai has also made valient overtures towards building a community, but I think this has largely fallen on deaf ears as it is hard to get excellent editors to contribute to more than their local articles. User:DGG also has some extremely smart things to say in almost any discussion. You're more than welcome to join our little cabal of enforcing a modicum of quality and consistency across articles. :) Madcoverboy (talk) 17:30, 4 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Nice. I really appreciate that. I'm concerned that I might be more of a "stickler" for policies and guidelines, and certainly feel like I have less experience, although I'd love to join the cabal, haha. --King of the Arverni (talk) 17:01, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

List of Colleges and Universities

Please do not remove the references for the List of colleges and universities in Massachusetts page. Although it might seem quite obvious, the page needs citations there. I would appreciate it if you could start adding back in those citations. This article is close to being nominated as a featured list, and one of those criteria involves the addition of these citations. Thank you and have a nice day. Kevin Rutherford (talk) 20:08, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Third opinion

I have requested a third opinion regarding your most recent unwarranted revision to the New England School of Law page. Thanks. Neslgrad09 (talk) 21:18, 8 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Haha, from whom? The parameters for which you're adding information to the infobox don't even exist! This is getting silly. --King of the Arverni (talk) 01:38, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
You're right. My mistake. I added the Law School Infobox to the page. We should be all set now. Thanks again for helping me figure everything out. Neslgrad09 (talk) 02:40, 9 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

St. John's University (New York)

A content dispute at St. John's University (New York) between an IP editor and a registered editor with a potential conflict of interest has gotten a bit out of hand and devolved into personal attacks, outing, and general nastiness. A 24-hour page protection has been imposed, but I'm requesting that other editors intervene to develop a consensus on the dispute while the protection is in place. Madcoverboy (talk) 19:41, 10 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Wikiquette alert

I'm hoping we can resolve any issues we have [1] and move forward with constructive additions to the encyclopedia. Thanks. Neslgrad09 (talk) 00:16, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Orphaned non-free media (File:Nesllogo.png)

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Wikibreak

I hope you're back soon and refreshed enough to wage the same battles over and over again. It's good to have some distance to get perspective. I apologize that I haven't been able to better intercede in the NESL issue, but I'm wrapping up some work in RL. Best of luck and hopefully you'll consider reverting to WikiOgre hibernation like I often do. Madcoverboy (talk) 15:36, 11 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quincy flag image

Check File:Quincy_MA_flag.svg for the image, let me know how it looks, put it in the infobox if OK. Sswonk (talk) 19:04, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Incredible. Should the flag edges match the color of the seal edges? I like it a lot. Wow. Well done. --King of the Arverni (talk) 21:27, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks - it matches the image you found [2] pretty closely, yellow seal edge with gold flag border. Sswonk (talk) 21:33, 17 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Oh, maybe it just displays differently on my computer. Or I'm colorblind. --King of the Arverni (talk) 02:06, 18 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

MBTA table

Work in progress - I built it on a standard screen but now that I switched to a wide screen it acted like you describe. Watch the next few minutes. Yes, the bus section with all the redlinks that was what I wanted to change. This table will be hidden by default. Again, watch changes. The opening paragraph needs more copy, I will get back to you on that. Sswonk (talk) 22:40, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

OK, table is now at the bottom where I originally intended, but it got lost. Referring to it with a new section makes more sense. The idea is to provide a full list of services with the focus being destinations, which provide depth to the article. Otherwise, we are just saying "Quincy has these stations and busses" which may make sense to people who live in the area but is kind of pointless for people who want to know how to get here and where they can go from here. I would like to keep it in. Sswonk (talk) 22:50, 19 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
I think you've done an excellent job with it for sure, but that it's a bit much and that it goes against WP:NOT. After all, the encyclopedia is not meant for, as you say, "people who want to know how to get here" et cetera; that's the job of the tourism office, for which a link should suffice. --King of the Arverni (talk) 03:04, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Yo, don't be pulling blue links on me, ha ha. You might like WP:ENC if you haven't seen it and you need it some day. I'll get to the point: what that table is is a summary of the pages for each of the stations, and the non-existing and likely-never-will-be pages for the formerly redlinked bus routes. It is encyclopedic, not a travel guide. It provides a cheatsheat/infobox/navbox type quick look at the real transportation scheme in Quincy. You seem to be trying to find a way to hate the table, but I think you should try to see it as an improvement on the old, pointless list of bus numbers and T stations. I've been wanting to improve a very parochial article for a couple of years and this is one of my least favorite sections until I decided to show with this table what it really should be. The same thing holds for the list of highway numbers. It is really not helpful to anyone. All it says to me is an editor needed to write something and that's what has been there for some time. Take a look at Hartford,_Connecticut#Transportation - that is what we should go for. Even with that amount of copy we could still keep the table at the bottom of the section, or above the navboxes. I took it out for now, but all the section does now is say most of the same things as the table, but surrounds the names of stations and buses with a few words. And, the entire section except a note I added several months ago is unsourced. If we want to improve the article, good writing and detailed citation is key. I would like to rework the entire section to look more like Hartford, but don't have a great deal of time right now. Among other things it is pretty obvious that a couple of editors interested in ENC have taken the reigns on the article, with more coverage and pictures of the college than other things. That will balance out in the end. I actually think the table should stay in, but to get a night's rest I've removed it. Keep thinking about citations and ideas for copy. I'm a good writer and copy editor so I will definitely keep on it. Sswonk (talk) 03:48, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Haha, well I figured I might as well link it if I was going to refer to it, right? Yeah, I've seen WP:ENC before. You really didn't need to remove the table just because I wanted to discuss it further! I totally agree; Quincy needs something like what Hartford, Connecticut has. I was actually over at Cambridge, Massachusetts today in order to see what was under Transportation there. Now that I've seen Cambridge use a picture of Harvard Yard for its "skyline" I'm considering adding the Stone Temple pic to the infobox (unless you can think of something more iconic for Quincy than the "Church of the Presidents") and moving City Hall back to the gallery. I'd also like to get a picture of the original Dunkin Donuts location on 3A and the original site of Howard Johnson's in Beale Street by the Wollaston T, but I don't get around that much. I hope my Wollaston Beach pics were a help. I'm glad to have you as a collaborator in the article. You obviously know a lot about the place and are motivated enough to contribute some great stuff. FYI I'm working on compiling a good history section (I just have it saved in a text file for now) but I keep getting pretty distracted. I have one on Edmund Quincy the abolitionist, too, that I need to finally create an article with. And I totally agree with the good writing and citation bits -- I'm a real sticker about WP:V and I've certainly angered other editors (mostly in my work with WP:UNI) with no regard for WP:NPOV before for being so. Anyway, as I said, I'm glad to have you around and I'm sorry if my opinion of the MBTA table offended you in any way. --King of the Arverni (talk) 04:30, 20 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Neighborhoods

Just a heads up, I made a Neighborhoods of Quincy navbox for the neighborhood articles. I already stubbed Adams Shore and I will go ahead and do the other four on Sunday. I actually have enough to get Marina Bay past stub status, but didn't want to start it tonight. Sswonk (talk) 06:47, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

You're the bomb-diggity. I'm working on that history. I'll let you know when it's finished. --King of the Arverni (talk) 22:15, 21 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

"let them come"

[3] Sorry, I didn't intend to be quite that obscure or highfalutin! Ameriquedialectics 19:45, 22 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Tulane seal

  • I used to think I could understand what Wikipedians Fair Use concerns were, but I no longer have any confidence about it and just shy away from these arguments. The person I communicated with at Tulane had the title of "Vice President of University Communications". I'm not at all sure, however, that having permission from the owner would help satisfy the interpreted requirements for WP:Fair Use. --Dystopos (talk) 04:13, 24 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

George Mason notables

Are they alumni? Do you have a source showing that any of them 1. exist, 2. went to GMU, and 3. are notable? 173.66.36.76 (talk) 16:55, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

That would be in their articles. Take it up there before blanking article sections. --King of the Arverni (talk) 17:01, 25 June 2009 (UTC)[reply]

University of Bridgeport, "lowest tier"

Hi, I saw your edits to the University of Bridgeport article, and appreciated your action on that vandalism. However, I saw you removed, "lowest tier" from the Academics section. I've re-added this, because as you can see from,

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/College_and_university_rankings#U.S._News_.26_World_Report_College_and_University_rankings

and

http://www.usnews.com/articles/education/best-colleges/2008/08/21/2009-frequently-asked-questions.html#13


Tier 4 is indeed the lowest tier. I expect there to be much vandalism and biased POV on this article in the future from the UB administration and members of the Unification Church, who were editing the article previously. 97.119.221.119 (talk) 01:03, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks, but calling it specifically "lowest tier" instead of simply saying that it's lowest tier could be considered POV-ish language and it's certainly not verifiable beyond WP:OR. Anyone familiar with the rankings already knows that it's the lowest tier, and anyone who doesn't can check the source and find out, but to insist on the term "lowest tier" (which doesn't exist in a reliable source that I know of) defies WP:VERIFY, WP:NPOV, and WP:NOR. --King of the Arverni (talk) 02:44, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, I mistook your previous edit for your later one. I thought you were using the second paragraph of the Academics section as justification that it wasn't lowest tier. I accept the explanation. —Preceding unsigned comment added by 97.119.221.119 (talk) 23:47, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
No worries. I've had plenty of misunderstandings myself, I'm sure, so that's perfectly understandable :-) --King of the Arverni (talk) 23:53, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

TU

  • I've never heard Tulane called "TU". I don't think that having a monogram on a shield is the same as having an alternate name. My grandfather's initials are "JCG", but just because he might have it monogrammed on his shirts doesn't mean it's his name. In short, I don't see any good reason to propose that "TU" is an alternate name for Tulane University without a source claiming that it is in use. I also don't care to discuss the motivations of other editors. --Dystopos (talk) 04:50, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
Did you look at the trademark source? (http://tulane.edu/tulane/news/style/logos/trademark.cfm]) I highly doubt your grandfather has JCG trademarked. Just because you've never heard of it doesn't mean it isn't still an official designation (this sounds a lot like the discussion over the official name!). And I seem to have missed something -- were we discussing editors, or did I merely mention one editor's refusal to accept RS? If someone has a valid COI, for example, it's not offensive to point that out; similarly, it seems to me perfectly civil to point out an editor's refusal to accept RS. If you don't want to talk about it then don't talk about it. No worries! And you have my apologies; it was silly of me suggest it, instead of being WP:BOLD anyway. --King of the Arverni (talk) 12:23, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
The Ohio State University trademarked the letter "O", but I don't suppose anyone thinks that The Ohio State University is also known as "O". --Dystopos (talk) 13:04, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]
That's awesome! Didn't OU and OSU get into a tiff over one or the other having shirts that said just "Ohio", too? Although they apparently agreed that neither would actually use that... Anyway, I did some more research: [4] Do you see any reason not to include "TU", other than your lack of familiarity with its use? --King of the Arverni (talk) 13:08, 2 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Quincy pronunciation edits

I don't like having to tell you this but I am reverting the pronunciation edits you are putting on pages with the word Quincy in the title. I think this type of editing is ill advised for these reasons:

  1. My primary objection is that it is distracting and not germane to the article subject in most cases. You are placing the pronunciation at the end of sentences which contain the word Quincy, often surrounded by other words. This is completely unnecessary and distracts from the purpose of the articles which are treatments of subjects that happen to have Quincy in the title. The pronunciation key and explanation at the Quincy, Massachusetts article is sufficient to handle the difference between regional and extra-regional pronunciation.
  2. The edit only serves to raise questions among persons not familiar with this pronunciation anomaly. That is what it in fact is, an anomaly, which is even pointed out on the city website:

    "Why do we pronounce Quincy 'Quin-zee' when just about everyone else in the country refers to it as 'Quin-see'? There are 19 other Quincys in the U.S. but they pronounce it 'Quin-see'. Can they be right and we be wrong"

  3. The fact that most persons outside of Quincy, Massachusetts and the Eastern Massachusetts region are unfamiliar with this pronunciation makes the placement of the pronunciation as you have been doing a controversial and obtrusive, as opposed to helpful, edit.

You obviously have done good work with Quincy related subjects but I am strongly urging you to undo the rest of the pronunciation edits you made to articles that I am not personally changing. As a permanent resident of Quincy, I can tell you that I and my neighbors are inclined to accept that people across the country grew up saying John "Kwinsee" Adams and expect that pronunciation from outside the region. If you think it would be helpful to include that information in the biographical articles about members of the Quincy family and the JQA article, you could insert it as a footnote or somewhere within the article, but not in the lead sentence. Although we are using the correct family pronunciation here in Quincy, it is mostly unfamiliar and jarring to nearly everyone else who reads these articles. Let the explanation at the main city article, which is nicely done, explain the anomaly that is our own pronunciation but please don't challenge the way it is pronounced nearly everywhere else in the world. Sswonk (talk) 05:04, 5 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Project Tags

Thanks, I'm trying to update the NAIA schools. Smaller schools usually have lower quality articles. Here's a question that maybe you can help me with. Sometimes I see Project Banners for Education and Schools in a US College/University talk. So far, I've been changing those out for the University Project tag, so there is a wee bit of uniformity. Am I right in doing so? It is very rare to see one, but just doubling checking. PEACE.Moonraker0022 (talk) 19:10, 11 July 2009 (UTC)[reply]