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dammit

You do realize that you are yet another loss of those who truly care, making the rest of us even more surrounded, don't you? KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:58, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Translation: You will be much missed. Take care, and we will welcome you if and when you decide to return. KillerChihuahua^?!? 11:59, 13 September 2008 (UTC)

Image copyright problem with Image:HooHoo.JPG

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FA review for Battle of Incheon

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(I am informing you of this FAR because of your high number of edits to the Korean War. I also notice you have just started a wikibreak, but thought it might be best to inform you anyway in case you fell this is an important article.) — Twas Now ( talk • contribs • e-mail ) 01:33, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Glenn Curtiss and the Medal of Honor

Someone uncommented your hiding of the Curtiss MOH claim. I agree with you that it isn't so. I have deleted that assertion from the Glenn Curtiss article. --rogerd (talk) 21:46, 16 September 2008 (UTC)

Date format poll confirmation

You recently contributed to a poll on date formats.[1] The option you supported won the poll but is now an option in a final poll to test support against the current version.[2] The poll gives full instructions, but briefly the choices are:

• C = Option C, the winner of the initial poll and run-off. (US articles have US format dates, international format otherwise)
• R = Retain existing wording. (National format for English-speaking countries, no guidance otherwise).

If you wish to participate or review the progress of this poll, you may follow this link. --Pete (talk) 02:07, 17 September 2008 (UTC)

Deletion review for Martino de Judicibus

An editor has asked for a deletion review of Martino de Judicibus. Since you closed the deletion discussion for this page, speedy-deleted it, or otherwise were interested in the page, you might want to participate in the deletion review. Iain99^{Balderdash and piffle} 01:29, 3 November 2008 (UTC)

Seasons Greetings

Wishing you the very best for the season. Guettarda (talk) 06:52, 25 December 2008 (UTC)

Ormond Mound

Whaddayamean, "I am on break?" Just as I was going to ask you to look at a sandbox article I was working on: Ormond Mound. I was going to create an article named Ormond Mound, but I just found out that the City of Ormond Beach calls the thing Indian Mound Park. But the name Ormond Mound seems to be attached to the thing, albeit unofficially (its not on the NRHP list). What the heck should I name the article? Gamweb (talk) 02:20, 15 January 2009 (UTC)

Rescue Attempt for Florida County Road 337

Your assistance is requested to rescue Florida County Road 337 from the AfD Squad. Gamweb (talk) 00:14, 30 January 2009 (UTC)

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deletion of "Gladstones Restaurant" page

I feel this deletion was inappropriate. It certainly was NOT "blatant advertising". I have no connection with the restaurant, except as a former resident of Southern California, and a semi-frequent guest at the restaurant. Note that the Wikipedia policy that you cited clearly says "...simply having a company or product as its subject does not qualify an article for this criterion." Gladstones IS a landmark; has historical significance; has regional business significance; and is a much-frequented tourist destination. Davidmcb64 (talk) 22:17, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

You may request reconsideration of the deletion at Wikipedia:Deletion review. -- Donald Albury 22:34, 26 March 2009 (UTC)

Re: A I/N

I am taking the one note I have left about this directly to your talk page so as not to conduct or promote further disruption to the thread located there per your request... but you raised a new point which I think needs to be addressed... You stated: Srobak, please do not edit or otherwise modify other users' postings on talk pages; that is disruptive to discussions.

I just want to be clear that the ONLY persons postings in talk pages I was editing in this entire situation was my own. In fact - the entire reason this whole thing came to bear is because OTHER PEOPLE were editing my postings on talk pages, and it was in fact very disruptive. Just wanted to clarify that and make sure you were clear on who did what - as I really don't understand you making a comment/warning on the ANI page that I not do something I hadn't done prior and in fact was the core of my entire original complaint. That's all - not looking to get into it with you either - just wanted to clarify, because due to the involvement of so many 3rd parties - it appears who did what has become rather clouded. Thanks for your assistance in the original issue. Srobak (talk) 19:01, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Actually, you moved a comment by halfshadow with the summary "...and fixing poor formatting by halfshadow". -- Donald Albury 19:07, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah - true - but just for the (your? :) ) record - it appeared midstream in the response I had typed - likely cause we were both posting or editing at the same time, and looked quite un-ruly and confusing. Not a single character was altered - as editing other peoples text in talk is one of my biggest peeves (next to destructive edits/reversions prior to discussion). His block was adjusted down a few lines, in its entirety. Just wanted to clarify. No problems :) Thanks again Srobak (talk) 19:16, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Yes, I see that you were trying to put the post where it was responding to the item above. His post does show first in the history, and calling it "poor formatting" was an unfortunate choice of words.

Another comment, while you are looking here. It is never a good idea to drop a warning template on the talk page of someone you are having a dispute with. I understand the temptation, and once succumbed to it myself, but I have always regretted the incident, as it caused needless conflict with a good editor. I know it gets frustrating when you try to take a content dispute to the talk page and the other editor reverts again rather than discussing, but there are other options, such as Wikipedia:Third opinion or asking on the talk page of any projects that have claimed the article. -- Donald Albury 19:35, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Duly noted. Gracias mi hermano. Srobak (talk) 19:57, 27 March 2009 (UTC)

Deletion of Nina Scolnik

Did you not see the 'hangon' notice I added to this page? You should have waited before deleting it, or at least contacted me. -- Donald Albury 19:31, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Hi Donald,

Thanks for the note. I did see the the hangon tag, but I also noted that this article has been created twice as a copyvio, and that the author has had other content deleted as copyvios as well. If you've found credible evidence that the user has indeed received permission to use the content, I'm certainly willing to restore. Best, Firsfron of Ronchester 20:10, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Ah, I had missed that history. It looked like a good faith creation to me, and I was trying to communicate how the editor could properly license the material.I had already dealt with an article today taht was up for speedy, but which had an OTRS permission tag on the talk page, and I guess that made me want to give a little leeway in this case. In any case, I apologize if I cam across as a bit abrupt. -- Donald Albury 20:36, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

No reason to apologize, Donald; it could indeed still be a good-faith creation, and I may have succumbed to some copyright paranoia. I'm going to repost your note to the user on the user's talk page, in case this content can indeed be licenced. I apologize for stepping on your toes. Firsfron of Ronchester 20:41, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Wikipedia:Articles for deletion/Nina Scolnik

Hi there, I just wanted to note that if you think an article is wrongly tagged with a speedy delete tag, you are free to remove that tag, as long as you're not the original author of the article. the {{hangon}} tag is for the original author to try to contest the speedy deletion. You can read some more here WP:CSD. Just thought I'd make sure you knew that! — LinguistAtLarge • Talk  21:21, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thanks for the tip. -- Donald Albury 21:51, 28 March 2009 (UTC)

Thank you

Thank you, Donald, for removing some weird vandalism from my user page. :)
Cheers, Amalthea 20:33, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

It was strange, indeed. -- Donald Albury 23:16, 29 March 2009 (UTC)

FWIW, makes sense now since the autoblock of the user just caught CHENG.Michael (talk · contribs) who I had dealings with previously. Oh well. --Amalthea 22:17, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Funny how things come out. -- Donald Albury 22:18, 30 March 2009 (UTC)

Philip Wylie

Welcome to the Philip Wylie fan club. Your edit tells me that you must have a copy of ...Classic Stories. On page 369 of that book there is a list of The Published Crunch and Des Stories. Alas, no list is ever complete - there is one book missing. It is Three to be Read - which contains the story/novella Sporting Blood. I'm not going to add it because I don't think it is useful to have these incomplete lists in the article. GroveGuy (talk) 02:59, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I currently have a copy of Classic Stories checked out of the library. There are problems with the list in the back of the book. By my count, the stories in the list do not add up to the numbers given by Karen Wylie Pryor in the Preface. I also have a copy of the (1958) Crest paperback edition of The Best of Crunch and Des, and it includes four stories that are not indicated on the list as being in that collection (the paperback has "authorized abridgment" on the cover, which would explain why stories indicated on the list as being in the hardback collection aren't in the paperback, but the presence of the four 'extra' stories is strange). In any case, I cited Karen Pryor's count, as using my own count based on the list feels too much like "original research".

I have read some of Wylie's books. I recently decided to re-read When Worlds Collide, and then After Worlds Collide, and dug out my old paperback copies. That led to digging out The Best of Crunch and Des, and then checking at the library (which only has two Wylie books in it's collection). I have read Tomorrow and The Disappearance, but I don't remember reading any of his other works. -- Donald Albury 10:01, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

Date autoformatting poll

Hi Donald, I noticed that like me, you are opposed to any form of dates autoformatting. I have created some userboxes which you might like to add to your userspace to indicate your position. You will find the boxes here. Ohconfucius (talk) 06:11, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

I am also opposed to the proliferation of userboxes, so, thank you, but I'm not interested in using them. -- Donald Albury 10:03, 1 April 2009 (UTC)

State-of-Florida Copyright Issues

Some items I added are being debated for deletion. Your participation is requested. Please visit w:Wikipedia_talk:WikiProject_Florida#TfD for more info. Thank you. Gamweb (talk) 04:14, 14 April 2009 (UTC)

Tallahassee population

Hi, Donald. I've noticed that you, also, have an interest in the population figures for Tallahassee, and appreciate your having handled some bad (my opinion) edits on the topic. You might be interested in my search for help, at [3]. Tim Ross (talk) 12:48, 23 April 2009 (UTC)

Daytona Beach News-Journal

I added a History chapter to the article on The Daytona Beach News-Journal recently after scouring some local history books. I think I revised the text enough to avoid any copyvios, but it would help if someone else with a fresh pair of eyes did the same. Gamweb (talk) 20:49, 29 May 2009 (UTC)

Condolences

I suspect that condolences are in order. I thought about you when I heard the news, but I was on the road at the time. Keep well. Guettarda (talk) 21:36, 12 June 2009 (UTC)

Thank you, but we weren't close. He was my father's cousin, and while I had spoken with him a couple of times in the last few years, I had not seen him in at least 50 years. -- Donald Albury 12:22, 13 June 2009 (UTC)

Disambig page style

Hey, I noticed in your recent edit of Freedom you added a line with more than one link in the line and changed the name of the article with a pipe (which is acceptable solely for typesetting such as italicizing the book's title). Since it looks like you edit a lot I thought I would point out to you that these are not inline with MOS:DAB. I'm sure there are a million other things in there that I don't know, but I thought you might want to know about these which I think drastically affect the usability of DAB pages. PDBailey (talk) 01:06, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

The DAB MOS states that there should not be more than one blue-link per item. The article on the author has a red-link to the book title. As the author's previous three novels have their own articles, it is highly likely that his latest novel will also have its own article, and therefore the red-link is permissible per the MOS. The debatable question is whether we should be red-linking a book that has not yet been published, even though the title of the book is sourced. -- Donald Albury 12:38, 22 June 2009 (UTC)

Calusa survival

Per the recent discussion at Talk:Calusa, I thought you might be able to clarify an issue at Indigenous peoples of the Everglades region. The intro currently says: "After more than 200 years of relations with the Spanish, both indigenous societies lost cohesiveness. The remaining Calusa were assimilated into the newer Seminole nation, born of invading Creeks, leftover Timucua, other tribes absorbed by the Creeks, and escaped African slaves". This makes it sound as if some sort of Calusa (and Timucua) detachment joined up with the Seminoles in a fashion similar to the Tuscarora joining the Iroquois Confederacy. The Calusa section of the article makes no such claim, referring only to their decimation and their removal. If you have a chance, could you alter the wording to make the prevailing ideas about their fate clearer?--Cúchullain ^t/c 17:32, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I'm planning on doing some more research on the subject before I get into changing articles. I added the current statement, "While a few Calusa individuals may have stayed behind and been absorbed into the Seminoles, there is no hard evidence for it.", to the Calusa article two years ago, citing the book The Calusa and Their Legacy by Darcie A, MacMahon and William H. Marquardt which I had found in my local library. I would like to check the source again to be sure I got it right, but unfortunately I have since moved and am still trying to find the book locally. If nothing else, I'll go to the University of Florida library or to the Florida Museum of Natural History to find a copy, as both authors hold positions there. I've been compiling a list of possible sources, and now have some 20 books listed that are relevant to the Calusas, almost all of which are available at my local city library. -- Donald Albury 18:15, 14 July 2009 (UTC)

I have access to the UF library and I wrote the Indigenous people of the Everglades region article. If an issue needs to be clarified, I am happy to do it. --Moni3 (talk) 18:40, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I don't have access to The Calusa and Their Legacy: South Florida People and Their Environments by Darcie A. MacMahon and William H. Marquardt right now. Could you find it and look on pages 118-21 and confirm that the statement "While a few Calusa individuals may have stayed behind and been absorbed into the Seminoles, there is no hard evidence for it" near the end of the article is an accurate representation of the source? I wrote that almost two years ago, but I want to be sure I didn't miss any important nuances. I can probably get over to the FMNH in a few days, where I am sure there is a copy, but I normally would not have a reason to go there. -- Donald Albury 19:05, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

I can do that tomorrow if the book is on the shelf. Would you rather me report here or on the Calusa talk page? --Moni3 (talk) 19:54, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

The Calusa talk page would be good, as mention the line in question there. -- Donald Albury 20:21, 16 July 2009 (UTC)

Daytona Beach - Notability Removals

Hi Donald, I noticed in your edits here and here, you removed bullet listings for selected shopping centers and businesses in Daytona Beach, Florida. You cited the Notability guideline as the reason for removals. I believe you misused or misinterpreted the notability standard in this case. In the past, I added an article for the Bellair Plaza shopping center. The article was nominated for deletion, using the notablility guideline; the discussion editors determined that the article should be deleted and merged into the city page (Daytona Beach). You have now taken the "Notability" concept a step furthur by deleting the entries from the City page. As for the businesses, I only added those that are recognized as major businesses by the Volusia County Dept. of Economic Development. I can track down a link to a PDF if you like. Gamweb (talk) 06:08, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Frankly, if a business or shopping center is not notable enough to have it's own Wikipedia article, then I do not think it belongs on a list of 'notable' businesses or shopping centers. If that principle is not applied, then every business in the city, no matter how small or insignificant, could be added to the list, making it a business directory, and Wikipedia is not a directory. Please note that it is customary to remove names of people who do not have a Wikipedia article from lists of 'notable residents'. -- Donald Albury 09:54, 19 July 2009 (UTC)

Oxford, Ohio Phil Morrica

It is not hard to verify importance of this individual. It is widely known in Oxford, Ohio who Phil Morrical is and what he has done. The same would apply to Hamilton, Ohio. Archives of Butler County, Ohio have proved claims to athletic claims by way of records, photographs, rosters, certificates, etc... Phil Morrical's business notoriety is easily accessed through Kiwanis International, Ohio Board of Realtors, various Hamilton records, holds seats on numerous boards and groups in the local community. KDills22 (talk) 03:35, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

You can establish his notability in the Wikipedia sense by writing an article about him using reliable sources. If the article is not challenged with a nomination for deletion, or if the result of such a challenge is to keep the article, then his notability (in the Wikipedia meaning) will be established. -- Donald Albury 10:28, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

Review?

I just rewrote and posted St. Johns River. I get the impression you're more familiar with South Florida, but if you get an inclination, I'd appreciate any comments you can give on the talk page.

Thanks. --Moni3 (talk) 20:09, 20 July 2009 (UTC)

I've looked at it a little. I'll try to spend more time on it tomorrow. There's quite a lot there to read. :) -- Donald Albury 01:12, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

This is not a pile-on, but sorry coincidence. Black Seminoles is listed at Featured Article Review because it was passed as an FA when the criteria were a bit looser. Having just come off constructing a big article for the St. Johns, I am not able to switch gears immediately and do a big overhaul for this article right now. Articles stay at FAR for several weeks or months, though, and if they're not improved in that time, they get delisted to B class. Since you have materials at your reach, you may be able to work on this one to cite what is missing. A list of its problems can be found here: Wikipedia:FAR#Black_Seminoles. I may be able to pitch in myself in a couple weeks.

Something to consider if you have the time. --Moni3 (talk) 14:52, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Arghh! I've stayed away from the subject because there is a strong mythology built up around it, one which the sources I'm familiar with do not support very well. I would not want to take it on without reading as much of the sources cited in the article as I can. I had intended to work on the Timucua article this month, but the Calusa article flared up, and in the course of researching that, I found a good book that covers the lesser known tribes of peninsular Florida. I don't know how soon I can get around to Black Seminoles. -- Donald Albury 17:51, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

I understand your argh. How about in a couple weeks when my St. Johns bogglemindedness calms down some, I can take on some of the sources and you can take on the others? Also, as there are no time limits, we (or you, or me, whatever) can simply reconstruct and improve the article when it's more convenient. No stress. --Moni3 (talk) 17:57, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

We'll see how it goes. I'm going to be off-line for much of next week, anyway. -- Donald Albury 17:59, 21 July 2009 (UTC)

Talk:Human

Thanks for your replies to my comments at Talk:Human. :-) -- 201.37.230.43 (talk) 17:32, 8 August 2009 (UTC)

You are welcome. -- Donald Albury 20:16, 8 August 2009 (UTC)