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== Banned ==
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Your username, '''{{PAGENAME}}''', has been <font color="red">'''blocked indefinitely'''</font> because it is either inappropriate or too similar to an existing username (see our [[wikipedia:blocking policy|blocking policy]] for more information).
==Derry/Londonderry==
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{{test1}} --[[User:Kiand|Kiand]] 20:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:I did not "vandalise" any pages... --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 20:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
{{test2}} [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:I HAVE NOT ADDED "nonsense", please stop categorising anything that challenges your POV as "vandalism", it is wrong... --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 21:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
::Welcome to wikipedia but remember the [[3RR]] rule. [[User:Djegan|Djegan]] 21:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
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If you know anything about Northern Ireland, you should know that this is a difficult subject. The BBC uses "Derry" and "Londonderry" alternately in the same news item and begins each alternate story with one, then the other. Wikipedia can't do that easily - the article has to go somewhere. So we have ended up with a compromise that is equally unfair to both points of view. We all have to accept that shouting louder at people doesn't resolve a dispute, it only makes it worse. Before you leap in making wild accusations, please read [[Derry/Londonderry naming dispute]] and then the discussions at [[talk:Derry]] and [[talk:County Londonderry]]. [[Truth and reconciliation commission]] might help too.

On Wikipedia, we use the term "vandalism" when someone destroys a consensus text that has evolved as the most neutral way to describe the issue. Inevitably, people on each side with very firmly held views will continue to believe that it is disgracefully biased towards the opposing point of view. The texts of "Derry" and "County Londonderry" have been attacked repeatedly by Republicans as being Unionist propoganda. --[[User:Red King|Red King]] 21:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)

==="Vandalism"===
If I gave the impression that you couldn't improve existing text, then I agree that this is quite wrong. "Vandalism" was a lazy way to describe waht you did and the term really applies to wholesale blanking or over-writing with obscenities. A more accurate way to express it is that we aim for neutrality ([[NPOV]] = neutrality) A blatantly "(partisan) point of view" or "POV" - which should be PPOV - will get reverted. That goes for Sinn Feiners as well as DUPers. --[[User:Red King|Red King]] 00:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== Hello and welcome ==

You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot a little bit. First of all, let me give you the official welcome:
'''Welcome!'''

Hello {{PAGENAME}}, and [[Wikipedia:Welcome, newcomers|welcome]] to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:
*[[Wikipedia:Five pillars|The five pillars of Wikipedia]]
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*[[Wikipedia:Help|Help pages]]
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I hope you enjoy editing here and being a [[Wikipedia:Wikipedians|Wikipedian]]! Please [[Wikipedia:Sign your posts on talk pages|sign your name]] on talk pages using four tildes (~&#126;~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out [[Wikipedia:Where to ask a question]] or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome!&nbsp;

Secondly, I should point out that the posters above are quite mistaken--none of your contributions should have been considered vandalism. That said, do try to interact on talk pages before making significant changes to controversial pages. Oh, and one more thing--your user page currently claims you're an [[Wikipedia:Administrators|administrator]]. You should remove that template--it's not a good idea to give a false impression about yourself.

Please let me know at my talk page if I can be of any assistance. [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 21:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)
:Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to [[WP:RFA|become]] an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. [[User:Chick Bowen|Chick Bowen]] 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

::haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

==User world==
Thank you for that o mistress - your wish shall be done :) [[User:Grutness|Grutness]]...''<small><font color="#008822">[[User_talk:Grutness|wha?]]</font></small>'' 00:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
:Same comment. Cheers -- [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 01:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC) <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: orange">&nbsp;<sup>''Wiki me up&#153;''</sup></font>]]</small>

== World citizen? ==

Out of interest, where did you see that I was a "world citizen"? I don't remember writing that. Regards &mdash; [[User:Rdsmith4|Dan]] | [[User talk:Rdsmith4|talk]] 00:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)
:Wow, I have no recollection of having done that. Seems it was more than a year ago. &mdash; [[User:Rdsmith4|Dan]] | [[User talk:Rdsmith4|talk]] 01:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

==Reply==
God bless you for your kind words miss! I've now added myself to the wiki punk rockers list which I never previously knew about! [[User:Quercusrobur|quercus robur]] 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) (PS that pic ''was'' taken 22 years ago...)- This is me as well (lying down...) [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Punks.jpg]

== [[No Logo]] and.. Admin(?) ==
No worries at all. It was there so users like you could make good use of it! However, being a bit curious, are you a new wikipedian or an admin? Cheers -- [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 02:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC) <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: orange">&nbsp;<sup>''Wiki me up&#153;''</sup></font>]]</small>
:The worst scenario would ''banning you for 30 secs'' if you don't respond to an admin asking about some explanations (kiddin'). If you think about ''keeping it for life'' than enjoy it ;) We are a community here and you are welcomed (we need more people to bring more joy to this place) as long as you abide by the rules. ''No big rules, just comment sense''! Remove it only when you'd have no other choice! I only suggest that you add a silly comment inside the template to avoid any misunderstanding. [[Wikipedia:Requests_for_adminship/FayssalF|I am a candidate for admin]] but would not consider that as something out of order. Just update it. A+ -- [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 02:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC) <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: orange">&nbsp;<sup>''Wiki me up&#153;''</sup></font>]]</small>
::lol! I was totally right about the ''30 secs''. This is what makes this place a good one and full of fun. Sean did what it should be so no worries about that. -- [[User:FayssalF|Svest]] 02:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC) <small>[[User talk:FayssalF|<font style="background: orange">&nbsp;<sup>''Wiki me up&#153;''</sup></font>]]</small>

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'''See [http://en.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=User:Mistress_Selina_Kyle&action=history my user page history]''', admin [[User:Sean Black]] already took it upon himself to rudely remove it without even bothering to talk to me, while I was writing a reply on your talk page.

Guess it is against the rules, or at least offensive to some people who've bothered to spend most of their lives editing wikipedia and forming cliques of people to vote for them... --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 02:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

===Admin2===
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You have the admin userbox on your user page. That userbox has code attached which adds you to the [[:Category:Wikipedia administrators]]. I can imagine only two possibilities for why you have the admin userbox on your user page:
#You are an administrator editing as a newbie to experience Wikipedia from a different prespective.
#You are a new editor who aspires to be an administrator. In this case I suggest you read [[Wikipedia:Requests for adminship]] and get some more experience on Wikipedia.

The admin userbox is reserved for people who are administrators. If you are indeed a legitimate sockpuppet of an admin, you shouldn't have that tag on your page as it defeats the purpose. If you are a newbie, you need to remove it as impersonating an adminstrator is a serious offense. --[[User:WAvegetarian|WAvegetarian]] [[User talk:WAvegetarian|<sup>(talk)</sup>]] <small>[[Special:Emailuser/WAvegetarian|(email)]]</small> [[Special:Contributions/WAvegetarian| <sup>(contribs)</sup>]] 02:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

:ok sorry :( removed

see also [[User_talk:FayssalF]] and [[User_talk:Chick Bowen]] - I have been asking around but wasn't sure

also see this from my actual talk page:
"Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to become an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. Chick Bowen 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

:haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UT"

I doubt I could become an admin since it seems a bit biased towards those who spend nearly ALL THEIR LIFE on wikipedia but who knows, probably not even worth a try though, no?

umm guess that's about it. I only put it on there as a joke/to see the reaction it would get anyway :)

--[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 02:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== Sorry... ==

I apologize if I sounded grumpy, but it's very suspiscous when someone does that. Sorry again, but that was not something I could take lightly. I didn't want to offend, but it's very dangerous for someone to impersonate an administrator, and needs to be avoided. Sorry again.--[[User:Sean Black|Sean]]|[[User talk:Sean Black|Bla]]<font color="green">[[Wikipedia:Esperanza|ck]]</font> 02:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

:If it really is that bad maybe something needs to be done to make it impossible to do.. like with protecting pages "protecting use of templates" would be a good idea.. --[[User:Mistress Selina Kyle|Mistress Selina Kyle]] 02:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== Ole ==
I don't think i can reconcile Prodigy with techno, sorry. I might have to assert my POV there...Anyways, read this:

"happiness not money - money is just a tool for helping it along for both yourself and others"
Would you be suprised if i stated that happiness will buy you money?
Just read an article in the WSJ or the Times a few days ago, citing recent research that attests for that. So, be happy, and more likely than not, you'll end up loaded :)

Cool friend template, by the way.[[User:Dragonlord kfb|Dragonlord kfb]] 08:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== Bass Guitarist ==

Hi,

I have noticed that you have taken the liberty of labelling me on my userpage as a "bass guitarist". I am actually a bass player or bassist. When I pick up a guitar and do an O.K. attempt at musical enjoyment of that instrument, you may call me a guitarist then. But please, above all, never call me a "bass guitarist". I strongly object to that term and the promotion of bad bass playing it encourages.

I suggest you change the label to the neutral POV "bassist".

You will note a fairly consistent, on-going debate about nomenclature for the electric bass and I adhere to the manufacturers' and designers' description of the instrument in calling it an "electric bass", or simply "bass". The double bass can be referred to as an upright if you like. I do not believe there is a such an instrument as a "bass guitar" (acoustic or electric), certainly not with only 4 strings, although I understand the vernacular reference when others use it.

Thanks [[User:Ozbass|Ozbass]] 04:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Greetings, mistress; I hope that thou don't matter that I took thy advice on User:Rama's talk page for myself, and the big pic from thy user page. May I hear from thee how can I join thy counter-vandalism unit? [[User:HolyRomanEmperor|HolyRomanEmperor]] 17:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== Archives ==

Hi, sorry for moving the page. HolyRomanEmperor asked me to - he's been having some trouble with his connection lately and can't make large edits. [[User:Izehar|Izehar]] ([[User talk:Izehar|talk]]) 18:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

:To comment on your other userbox - '''can I be your friend''' :-) [[User:Izehar|Izehar]] ([[User talk:Izehar|talk]]) 18:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll have to make my own version, as you can see from the many userboxes on my page that I don't like to share and I don't like bright colours. World citizens like us have to stick together :-) [[User:Izehar|Izehar]] ([[User talk:Izehar|talk]]) 18:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

== "(rv POV edit by republican fundamentalist)" ==

I've only noticed this edit summary you used, which is in clear violation of [[WP:NPA|No Personal Attacks]]. I request that this be rescinded, and advise that you do the same for the similar attack you placed on [[User:Djegan]] in your next edit to the page. I am in no way a republican, let alone a fundamentalist, and find such allegations extremely insulting. --[[User:Kiand|Kiand]] 22:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

Revision as of 22:08, 18 December 2005

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Derry/Londonderry

Information icon Hello, I'm [[User:{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}]]. An edit that you recently made seemed to be a test and has been reverted. If you want to practice editing, please use your sandbox. If you think I made a mistake, or if you have any questions, you can leave me a message on [[User talk:{{subst:REVISIONUSER}}|my talk page]]. Thanks! --Kiand 20:10, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I did not "vandalise" any pages... --Mistress Selina Kyle 20:52, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Information icon Please refrain from making test edits in Wikipedia pages, even if you intend to fix them later. Your edits have been reverted. If you would like to experiment again, please use your sandbox. Thank you. Djegan 21:08, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

I HAVE NOT ADDED "nonsense", please stop categorising anything that challenges your POV as "vandalism", it is wrong... --Mistress Selina Kyle 21:09, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
Welcome to wikipedia but remember the 3RR rule. Djegan 21:11, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If you know anything about Northern Ireland, you should know that this is a difficult subject. The BBC uses "Derry" and "Londonderry" alternately in the same news item and begins each alternate story with one, then the other. Wikipedia can't do that easily - the article has to go somewhere. So we have ended up with a compromise that is equally unfair to both points of view. We all have to accept that shouting louder at people doesn't resolve a dispute, it only makes it worse. Before you leap in making wild accusations, please read Derry/Londonderry naming dispute and then the discussions at talk:Derry and talk:County Londonderry. Truth and reconciliation commission might help too.

On Wikipedia, we use the term "vandalism" when someone destroys a consensus text that has evolved as the most neutral way to describe the issue. Inevitably, people on each side with very firmly held views will continue to believe that it is disgracefully biased towards the opposing point of view. The texts of "Derry" and "County Londonderry" have been attacked repeatedly by Republicans as being Unionist propoganda. --Red King 21:33, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"Vandalism"

If I gave the impression that you couldn't improve existing text, then I agree that this is quite wrong. "Vandalism" was a lazy way to describe waht you did and the term really applies to wholesale blanking or over-writing with obscenities. A more accurate way to express it is that we aim for neutrality (NPOV = neutrality) A blatantly "(partisan) point of view" or "POV" - which should be PPOV - will get reverted. That goes for Sinn Feiners as well as DUPers. --Red King 00:48, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Hello and welcome

You seem to have gotten off on the wrong foot a little bit. First of all, let me give you the official welcome: Welcome!

Hello Mistress Selina Kyle/Archive1, and welcome to Wikipedia! Thank you for your contributions. I hope you like the place and decide to stay. Here are a few good links for newcomers:

I hope you enjoy editing here and being a Wikipedian! Please sign your name on talk pages using four tildes (~~~~); this will automatically produce your name and the date. If you have any questions, check out Wikipedia:Where to ask a question or ask me on my talk page. Again, welcome! 

Secondly, I should point out that the posters above are quite mistaken--none of your contributions should have been considered vandalism. That said, do try to interact on talk pages before making significant changes to controversial pages. Oh, and one more thing--your user page currently claims you're an administrator. You should remove that template--it's not a good idea to give a false impression about yourself.

Please let me know at my talk page if I can be of any assistance. Chick Bowen 21:46, 17 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to become an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. Chick Bowen 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]
haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

User world

Thank you for that o mistress - your wish shall be done :) Grutness...wha? 00:37, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Same comment. Cheers -- Svest 01:07, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]

World citizen?

Out of interest, where did you see that I was a "world citizen"? I don't remember writing that. Regards — Dan | talk 00:59, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Wow, I have no recollection of having done that. Seems it was more than a year ago. — Dan | talk 01:32, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Reply

God bless you for your kind words miss! I've now added myself to the wiki punk rockers list which I never previously knew about! quercus robur 02:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC) (PS that pic was taken 22 years ago...)- This is me as well (lying down...) [1][reply]

No Logo and.. Admin(?)

No worries at all. It was there so users like you could make good use of it! However, being a bit curious, are you a new wikipedian or an admin? Cheers -- Svest 02:16, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]

The worst scenario would banning you for 30 secs if you don't respond to an admin asking about some explanations (kiddin'). If you think about keeping it for life than enjoy it ;) We are a community here and you are welcomed (we need more people to bring more joy to this place) as long as you abide by the rules. No big rules, just comment sense! Remove it only when you'd have no other choice! I only suggest that you add a silly comment inside the template to avoid any misunderstanding. I am a candidate for admin but would not consider that as something out of order. Just update it. A+ -- Svest 02:47, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]
lol! I was totally right about the 30 secs. This is what makes this place a good one and full of fun. Sean did what it should be so no worries about that. -- Svest 02:58, 18 December 2005 (UTC)  Wiki me up&#153;[reply]

See my user page history, admin User:Sean Black already took it upon himself to rudely remove it without even bothering to talk to me, while I was writing a reply on your talk page.

Guess it is against the rules, or at least offensive to some people who've bothered to spend most of their lives editing wikipedia and forming cliques of people to vote for them... --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:52, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Admin2


You have the admin userbox on your user page. That userbox has code attached which adds you to the Category:Wikipedia administrators. I can imagine only two possibilities for why you have the admin userbox on your user page:

  1. You are an administrator editing as a newbie to experience Wikipedia from a different prespective.
  2. You are a new editor who aspires to be an administrator. In this case I suggest you read Wikipedia:Requests for adminship and get some more experience on Wikipedia.

The admin userbox is reserved for people who are administrators. If you are indeed a legitimate sockpuppet of an admin, you shouldn't have that tag on your page as it defeats the purpose. If you are a newbie, you need to remove it as impersonating an adminstrator is a serious offense. --WAvegetarian (talk) (email) (contribs) 02:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

ok sorry :( removed

see also User_talk:FayssalF and User_talk:Chick Bowen - I have been asking around but wasn't sure

also see this from my actual talk page: "Well, I can't think of a specific rule against it, but it does seem a bit strange to me, and someone might ask you to do something you're not able to do, like protect a page or block a user. I guess all I can say is this--if you were ever to try to become an administrator, and people found out you were already claiming to be one, they might well hold it against you. Chick Bowen 00:10, 18 December 2005 (UTC)

haha like anyone'd vote for me. ;) --Mistress Selina Kyle 00:11, 18 December 2005 (UT"

I doubt I could become an admin since it seems a bit biased towards those who spend nearly ALL THEIR LIFE on wikipedia but who knows, probably not even worth a try though, no?

umm guess that's about it. I only put it on there as a joke/to see the reaction it would get anyway :)

--Mistress Selina Kyle 02:43, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Sorry...

I apologize if I sounded grumpy, but it's very suspiscous when someone does that. Sorry again, but that was not something I could take lightly. I didn't want to offend, but it's very dangerous for someone to impersonate an administrator, and needs to be avoided. Sorry again.--Sean|Black 02:54, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

If it really is that bad maybe something needs to be done to make it impossible to do.. like with protecting pages "protecting use of templates" would be a good idea.. --Mistress Selina Kyle 02:56, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Ole

I don't think i can reconcile Prodigy with techno, sorry. I might have to assert my POV there...Anyways, read this:

"happiness not money - money is just a tool for helping it along for both yourself and others" Would you be suprised if i stated that happiness will buy you money? Just read an article in the WSJ or the Times a few days ago, citing recent research that attests for that. So, be happy, and more likely than not, you'll end up loaded :)

Cool friend template, by the way.Dragonlord kfb 08:09, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Bass Guitarist

Hi,

I have noticed that you have taken the liberty of labelling me on my userpage as a "bass guitarist". I am actually a bass player or bassist. When I pick up a guitar and do an O.K. attempt at musical enjoyment of that instrument, you may call me a guitarist then. But please, above all, never call me a "bass guitarist". I strongly object to that term and the promotion of bad bass playing it encourages.

I suggest you change the label to the neutral POV "bassist".

You will note a fairly consistent, on-going debate about nomenclature for the electric bass and I adhere to the manufacturers' and designers' description of the instrument in calling it an "electric bass", or simply "bass". The double bass can be referred to as an upright if you like. I do not believe there is a such an instrument as a "bass guitar" (acoustic or electric), certainly not with only 4 strings, although I understand the vernacular reference when others use it.

Thanks Ozbass 04:20, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Greetings, mistress; I hope that thou don't matter that I took thy advice on User:Rama's talk page for myself, and the big pic from thy user page. May I hear from thee how can I join thy counter-vandalism unit? HolyRomanEmperor 17:38, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Archives

Hi, sorry for moving the page. HolyRomanEmperor asked me to - he's been having some trouble with his connection lately and can't make large edits. Izehar (talk) 18:11, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

To comment on your other userbox - can I be your friend :-) Izehar (talk) 18:14, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

Thanks for the suggestion - I'll have to make my own version, as you can see from the many userboxes on my page that I don't like to share and I don't like bright colours. World citizens like us have to stick together :-) Izehar (talk) 18:17, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]

"(rv POV edit by republican fundamentalist)"

I've only noticed this edit summary you used, which is in clear violation of No Personal Attacks. I request that this be rescinded, and advise that you do the same for the similar attack you placed on User:Djegan in your next edit to the page. I am in no way a republican, let alone a fundamentalist, and find such allegations extremely insulting. --Kiand 22:06, 18 December 2005 (UTC)[reply]